The power of Conroe...

[greatromances]

I haven't really heard a whole lot about the new Conroe chip that's coming out soon. In fact, I don't even know when it will be coming out. But I have a few quick questions about this new chip...

1st - Will I need to upgrade my mainboard to support this new chip? I have a Gigabyte GA-8N-SLI which supports 1066fsb. Is Conroe going to be using a different socket when it rolls out?

2nd - Which Conroe chip would I need to get to beat my current setup - 2.66ghz Pentium D 805 overclocked to 3.67ghz w/ 735mhz fsb?

Oh and when is this thing coming out? With what i've been hearing, the lower end chips that aren't that expensive can be overclocked and beat out most of the amd high end chips.

 

[secretanchitman]

apparently, some 975x boards can use conroe, but not all.

heh, to be honest, im sure the low end conroe would outperform your OCed pentium D...but im not too sure on that.

 

[stevty2889]

Conroe will use the same socket, but will require a motherboard with the correct VRM. Currently the only known one is the Intel 975X Badaxe motherboard with a specific revision. Chances are the 8N-SLI will not support it. Just about any conroe chip will perform as good as or better than the 805@3.67ghz. 1.83ghz is likely the most similar, but will obviously run much much cooler.

 

[BitByBit]

1. Although Conroe will use the LGA 775 socket used by current P4/PDs, it will almost certainly require a new chipset. Hell, I can't even upgrade my P4 to a Pentium D, since it requires the 945 (and above) chipset.

2. Considering a 2.66GHz Conroe can handily beat a 2.8GHz FX-60, you should find that the 2.4GHz version should be more than enough to adequately replace your current chip.

 

[Duvie]

1) I think most everybody will have to upgrade...Ther are some boards with limited support, but full support and new VRM's will come from yet announced 975-965 mobos


2) pretty much most all of them will beat that....3.67ghz P-D could get beat by a 2.2-2.3ghz X2 which means a conroe of 1.9-2ghz should still be able to do it....

E4200 1.60GHz 2MB 0800MHz 65W Q4 $169
E6200 1.60GHz 2MB 1066MHz 65W Q4 $179
E6300 1.86GHz 2MB 1066MHz 65W Q3 $209
E6400 2.13GHz 2MB 1066MHz 65W Q3 $239
E6500 2.40GHz 2MB 1066MHz 65W Q4 $269
E6600 2.40GHz 4MB 1066MHz 65W Q3 $309
E6700 2.67GHz 4MB 1066MHz 65W Q3 $529
E6800 2.93GHz 4MB 1066MHz ??? Q4 $749
E6900 3.20GHz 4MB 1066MHz ??? Q4 $969
E8000 3.33GHz 4MB 1333MHz 95W Q4 $1199


i think everything from E6300 and up at stock will beat it....likely even the 4200 and 6200 with a modest Oc will beat that system.....


I want the 2.4ghz model w/ 4mb cache except the FSB wil have to be quite hiugh with an attempt at 3.6-4ghz OC....9x multi kills you....I may go for the one hihger up for the better multi unless I see some good reviews of mainboards that dont need hardmodding to achieve it...

 

[stevty2889]

Hmm, I think I am going to go with the E4200..the lower FSB will allow it to overclock much easier.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: stevty2889
Hmm, I think I am going to go with the E4200..the lower FSB will allow it to overclock much easier.

perhaps but with 8x multi you may top out at aroud 3.2ghz if the mobos are not receptive to 400+ FSB.....

I want more then that...I want a reasonable shot at 3.6-4ghz....I am figuring passed on benches that a 4ghz core 2 duo would actually be as powerful as my dual dual core 270 setup now...after I OC that it may be just slightly behind it, but I want to see if I can get close...

May look at woodcrest system later this year iof available or 1H of 07....

 

[fixxxer0]

It really amazes me that people ask this over and over, I look on the first page of threads and there is at least one question similar to this.


I mean im not suggesting anything crazy, like the search button or something.

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: stevty2889
Hmm, I think I am going to go with the E4200..the lower FSB will allow it to overclock much easier.

perhaps but with 8x multi you may top out at aroud 3.2ghz if the mobos are not receptive to 400+ FSB.....

I want more then that...I want a reasonable shot at 3.6-4ghz....I am figuring passed on benches that a 4ghz core 2 duo would actually be as powerful as my dual dual core 270 setup now...after I OC that it may be just slightly behind it, but I want to see if I can get close...

May look at woodcrest system later this year iof available or 1H of 07....

Seems like most of the chips have a low multi.

The 4200 has 8x, 6200 = 6x, 6300 = 7x, 6400 = 8x, 6500 = 9x, etc.
You'd have to pay $500+ to get a chip that we'd all generally consider to have a good multi...but I think these Conroe boards may be better at cranking the FSB than the current stuff. I can hope, anyway. The 4200 looks extremely tempting to me, because as Stevty said, the low FSB will help.

If I wind up getting limited by the motherboard at 3-3.2ghz, I'll just drop my voltage

 

[RichUK]

EDIT: lol silly question.

 

[BrownTown]

The funny thing is that despite the fact that there have been 20 exact same posts in the last week most people are still getting stuff wrong. Like Duvies list of processors that has been outdated for 3 months, or people getting the motherboard questions wrong.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
The funny thing is that despite the fact that there have been 20 exact same posts in the last week most people are still getting stuff wrong. Like Duvies list of processors that has been outdated for 3 months, or people getting the motherboard questions wrong.

REALLY YOU ARROGANT @#$%!!

I pulled that from a thread current on this page...

I also saw it a few weeks back linked to several articles dated within the last 1-2 months...

Show me the new pricing then you smart-ass
I haven't seen anything new and most all sites still link to same pricing scheme that was prevalent in articles since the beginning of April.

Go be high and mighty elsewhere....

 

[BrownTown]

Well, Anandtech had the updated stuff a few days ago.

The same thing was posted on most other hardware sites in the last few days, and the basics have been known for several weeks. There is no need to get defensive about it and start flamming, I was simply trying to get the correct information out there seeing as so many people are asking questions and it does not help them when many people continue to quote incorrect information. If you were offended then I am sorry, but I hope you understand that I was correcting you in order to get the correct information out there, not to insult you.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
Well, Anandtech had the updated stuff a few days ago.

The same thing was posted on most other hardware sites in the last few days, and the basics have been known for several weeks. There is no need to get defensive about it and start flamming, I was simply trying to get the correct information out there seeing as so many people are asking questions and it does not help them when many people continue to quote incorrect information. If you were offended then I am sorry, but I hope you understand that I was correcting you in order to get the correct information out there, not to insult you.

Dude the prices are almost identical...even the Q3 stuff is correct...so what was your issue??? Info looks pretty good....

most of us likely wont ever see prices like that anyways cause I am sure the etailers are going to gouge us....Watch out for screwegg!!

 

[lopri]

I can already see the E6600 being the choice of many AT'ers. Just like the X2 4400+ was before.

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: BrownTown
Well, Anandtech had the updated stuff a few days ago.

The same thing was posted on most other hardware sites in the last few days, and the basics have been known for several weeks. There is no need to get defensive about it and start flamming, I was simply trying to get the correct information out there seeing as so many people are asking questions and it does not help them when many people continue to quote incorrect information. If you were offended then I am sorry, but I hope you understand that I was correcting you in order to get the correct information out there, not to insult you.

Dude the prices are almost identical...even the Q3 stuff is correct...so what was your issue??? Info looks pretty good....

most of us likely wont ever see prices like that anyways cause I am sure the etailers are going to gouge us....Watch out for screwegg!!

well I saw a difference in about $300 between your E6800 and what the 'new' prices are. Some would call that a considerate change in price.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: redbox

well I saw a difference in about $300 between your E6800 and what the 'new' prices are. Some would call that a considerate change in price.

Huh?
Where did you see the E6800 on the list?
The only one I saw was the X6800 (Extreme Edition)...

 

[BrownTown]

The point is the X6800 is gonna be the high end part through the end of the year, and that there will be no 3.2 or 3.33G parts, and no 1333FSB for the EE until 2007.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
The point is the X6800 is gonna be the high end part through the end of the year, and that there will be no 3.2 or 3.33G parts, and no 1333FSB for the EE until 2007.

Agreed...I never really thought they'd release a 3GHz desktop part this year anyway, though I must admit that the early release of the 3GHz Woodcrest caught me by surprise.
It's possible that they will release an E6800 (non-EE part) this year though...

I do think we will be seeing an FX-64 this year though (3 GHz), and that might force Intel to push up their speedbumps.

 

[rogue1979]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: BrownTown
The funny thing is that despite the fact that there have been 20 exact same posts in the last week most people are still getting stuff wrong. Like Duvies list of processors that has been outdated for 3 months, or people getting the motherboard questions wrong.

REALLY YOU ARROGANT @#$%!!

I pulled that from a thread current on this page...

I also saw it a few weeks back linked to several articles dated within the last 1-2 months...

Show me the new pricing then you smart-ass
I haven't seen anything new and most all sites still link to same pricing scheme that was prevalent in articles since the beginning of April.

Go be high and mighty elsewhere....

Aren't you overreacting a bit??????

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: rogue1979

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: BrownTown
The funny thing is that despite the fact that there have been 20 exact same posts in the last week most people are still getting stuff wrong. Like Duvies list of processors that has been outdated for 3 months, or people getting the motherboard questions wrong.

REALLY YOU ARROGANT @#$%!!

I pulled that from a thread current on this page...

I also saw it a few weeks back linked to several articles dated within the last 1-2 months...

Show me the new pricing then you smart-ass
I haven't seen anything new and most all sites still link to same pricing scheme that was prevalent in articles since the beginning of April.

Go be high and mighty elsewhere....

Aren't you overreacting a bit??????

Now I understand why people feel this person snaps too much at people, when things don't go his way.

 

[degeester]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
The point is the X6800 is gonna be the high end part through the end of the year, and that there will be no 3.2 or 3.33G parts, and no 1333FSB for the EE until 2007.

See Anandtech's DailyTech report Looks like 3.2 will be launched before end of year.

 

[Xentropy]

Originally posted by: degeester

Originally posted by: BrownTown
The point is the X6800 is gonna be the high end part through the end of the year, and that there will be no 3.2 or 3.33G parts, and no 1333FSB for the EE until 2007.

See Anandtech's DailyTech report Looks like 3.2 will be launched before end of year.

Damn. Now I'm wondering if I should wait until the 3.2Ghz to build. Yeah, yeah, there's always something faster 6 months or less down the line. Sometimes the speed of hardware advancement is annoying.

 

[Xonoahbin]

Okay, so here's something I've been wondering..
Why would Intel price the P-D 960 running at 3.7 ghz at the EXACT SAME price point as the E6700? You'd figure they'd want to get rid of the old Netburst chips and price them cheaper than their Core counterparts, right? Wrong, I guess. They both run $530 on the latest Intel roadmaps. I'm thinking those two are going to be close in performance because you don't make two chips the same price when one is better than the other, especially by the large margin that many on here suggest. I think Intel has a good chip here with Conroe, but I can't help but think that they're up to something fishy.

 

[kknd1967]

clearly you missed intel's future price cut plan
960 will be $316 in July

http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/attachments_dir/ext_jpg/price-1_YdXu1hVWDtgM.jpg

the article in chinese

all P-D will be treated like Celeron after Core2Duo release

Originally posted by: NeonAura
Okay, so here's something I've been wondering..
Why would Intel price the P-D 960 running at 3.7 ghz at the EXACT SAME price point as the E6700? You'd figure they'd want to get rid of the old Netburst chips and price them cheaper than their Core counterparts, right? Wrong, I guess. They both run $530 on the latest Intel roadmaps. I'm thinking those two are going to be close in performance because you don't make two chips the same price when one is better than the other, especially by the large margin that many on here suggest. I think Intel has a good chip here with Conroe, but I can't help but think that they're up to something fishy.