The Power of the Oil Burners!

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: CraigRT

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Nice, should've gone for the 6 speed though. The NV5600 is a sweet tranny, especially compared to the NV4500.

Sounds like GeForce video cards

GeForce videocards don't weigh 360LBs

http://dodgeram.org/tech/transmission/nv5600_spec.html
http://dodgeram.org/tech/transmission/nv4500_spec.htm

 

[imported_Phil]

At the moment, I'm driving a crappy old 1996 Ford Escort 1.8 TD - a measly 70bhp, but with the torque that a diesel lump provides, I'm able to pull from ~1500rpm in any gear.
It's slow, but it devours hills.

 

[FoBoT]

welcome back
burn all the diesel you want, they will make more

 

[imported_Pablo]

I wanna buy an old mercedes diesel and use it to run waste vegetable oil... that would just be a fun project!

 

[qaa541]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Somebody local is selling an 82 Olds Delta 88 with the 350 diesel, I was kind of eyeballing it.

NOOOO Stay far away from it!

If I'm right, this was GM's crappy attempt to make a 350 V8 gas engine design run on diesel.

It was really bad from what I remember reading.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Oh yeah, the best thing you can do to that Olds would be to stick a normal 350 in it. GM's diesels from the '80s SUCKED (as did most engines from that era...). Converting a gas engine to diesel is a good way to make a piece of crap. Look at everything that is great about today's diesels, and take that away. And that's what you're left with the one in that Olds.

 

[Alphacowboy]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Nice, should've gone for the 6 speed though. The NV5600 is a sweet tranny, especially compared to the NV4500.

Trust me, I wish mine had the 6spd. But I bought what I could find. Used Diesels with Manuals around here are hard to find, and if they do exist, they usually are way over priced and they dont negotiate very much of thier prices because they know someone will be willing to pay the sticker price. I hope to do a NV5600 swap in the near future, along with a few other things. I really wish you could put in ones of those 10spd HD automatics like they have in the medium-heavy duty vehicles, but it wont fit under the truck, just to damn big. Oh well.

And diesel prices, yeah, THEY SUCK. bunh a BS if you ask me, but what can ya do, use Bio-Diesel!! I am seriously considering making my own or find someone that makes it and get a good deal on the stuff. It burns ALOT cleaner than the petro stuff, so not nearly as much smoke hehe, and it actually is better for the engine as it has more lubrication than the petro stuff. On top of that, it comes from a renewable source, and actually is a use for all that cooking oil people throw away! Gotta love it when you can use "garbage" to fuel your vehicle... lets see you throw WVO (waste Vegitable Oil) in your gasser and have it run... haha! Ya think with what a Diesel engine can run on, ya think they would be more welcome in this world!

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Alphacowboy
Just wondering who all here likes to "smoke"

My rig is in my signature below. Gotta love the power these diesels engines make! Been a long time since I have been on the ol' Anandtech website but I thought I should make a stop back to the old days in a way! Wow, I joined here a LONG time ago! Anyway, just dyno'd the ol' girl and she put down 343HP and 764Ft LBs Torque!!!!

-Matt

what kinda milage do you get with that thing?

 

[drnickriviera]

I had considered refining biodiesel, but could never figure out what to do with the glycerine. You can only use so much soap.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: qaa541

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Somebody local is selling an 82 Olds Delta 88 with the 350 diesel, I was kind of eyeballing it.

NOOOO Stay far away from it!

If I'm right, this was GM's crappy attempt to make a 350 V8 gas engine design run on diesel.

It was really bad from what I remember reading.

Eh, from what I've read that's not an entirely apt description, only a grain of truth. But I figure if it's made it 23 years, somebody either took care of the problems or it's one of the good ones. I really like the idea of getting 20-40mpg in a land yacht. The main reason I got rid of my old Mercury is the gas mileage was utter crap (especially since it only got driven 5 miles to and from work).

 

[HardcoreRobot]

i will never understand the truck mentality

 

[Alphacowboy]

Originally posted by: halik
what kinda milage do you get with that thing?

~20mpg unloaded crusing the freeway. With a load, and I mean a real load, like ~10k lbs, it still gets ~16MPG!


that Chevy Diesel.... they NEVER made a 350 block into a diesel. Its actually a diesel engine built up from scratch. Its the 6.2ltr diesel. Its a ok engine in stock form. Sluggish, eats glow plugs for dinner and the occasional head gasket. for what it is, its a good engine, but I will take a I6 diesel engine over and V configuration. The V8 and V6 diesels just have way to many parts. The I design is built for torque and reliability, the V design is built more for HP than torque. Also the V design makes it run more like a Gasser. Effectively, the Inline design is much more fuel effiant as well, as obviouly less cylinders, but it runs at MUCH lower RPMs. THe peak HP/Torque for the I6 5.9LTR Cummins in the Dodge pickup is from only 1500-1900 RPM. The V8 diesels such as the Duramax and Powerstroke is much higher, over the 2k mark, so you have to "wind" the motor out to get the HP out of it, which inturn sucks more fuel. There is a reason that Medium-Heavy Duty commercial trucks have I6 engines and not V8s. With that said, I think the 7.3 Powerstroke (not the new 6.0 pile o crap) is a good engine for what it is, and the Current Duramax engine is pretty damn powerful and can get some pretty impressive numbers with just a few plug in mods. But over all, you just dont see those engines lasting 7-800k miles. I know of MANY Cummins owners over the 800k mile mark with the original motor, and never even cracked the case for any work. Hell there is a few over the 1 million mark as well.

 

[Alphacowboy]

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
i will never understand the truck mentality

what ya mean? Didnt know there was a "mentality"?

Lets see, can a car do this....

Pull a 10k+ load, NO
Throw plywood, 2x4s and building material in the back, NO
Drive through 2' snow without getting stuck, NO
Make it down muddy service roads and on Construction sites, NO
Plow across a field to load up a 12 point buck ya shot, NO
Load up hay bails from the field and bring them to the barn, NO
Having less worry that an idiot will kill me if they run a red light, NO


Dont really think its a mentality, more of a neccesity. Yeah, some people own a truck to own a truck, but many own one to actually use it.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: drnickriviera
I had considered refining biodiesel, but could never figure out what to do with the glycerine. You can only use so much soap.

queue Fight Club....

Sell it right back to their fat asses

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Alphacowboy

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
The funny thing is you're the same asshole who says "The air is getting cleaner, the air is getting cleaner!"

Who pissed in your can of tomato soup? I never insulted you, and nor did I ever claim the air was getting "cleaner" My little smoke show is NOTHING compaired to alot of the crap alot of so called "econo boxes" running around that the owner knows NOTHING about maintenence of a vehicle. These people run around saying my car gets 30+ MPG... BUT, they never changed the air filter, so it never burns the fuel correctly, alot of them are running them way over oil changes. This causes engine wear and burning of oil... a Gas engine does not "burn" oil like a Diesel does, a Diesel burns amazing very clean when the fuel is atomized correctly. Yes my truck blows a little smoke, BUT only when I want it to, not every time.... I dont drive with my fuel box on its max setting, this is waisting fuel and at 3.50 a gallon, I will save as much as I can. And if you see a diesel smoking a TON of black smoke, they are NOT tuned correctly, as much as I like a cloud of black out my pipes... black smoke is UNBURNT fuel which = lost horsepower! Means they are not getting nearly enough AIR to the engine, which means, BIGGER TURBO! :-D

Believe what you want about Global Warming and all that "stuff" and I will believe what I believe. Its a bunch of crap in my eyes, in all reality, I think the Earths rotation around the sun degrades every year (as everything does that is in any type of orbit around a gravitational mass) and that is the reasoning behind anything resembeling Global Warming. They just cant tell anyone in the public or there would be great havoc and destruction do to people not comprehending that it will take 100's if not 1000's of YEARS to actually be a threat. God made this earth, no matter how hard we damn well try, we cant kill it, it will kill us way before we can ever get remotely close. And even then, I believe God would take us away before that point anyway.

And as far as the strange weather patterns.... they are strange, because they are "new" to us, this planet has seen WAY more weather patterns and climate shifts in its previous days and will continue to well after you and I are gone. Again, believe what you want about humans causing it, its just a fact that this is an ever changing earth we live on, and the hurricanes this year prove my point, no matter what you and I do, WE CANT STOP IT. This good ol' gal we call earth has its own agenda, and it sure as hell is not going to stop and ask you and I permission!



Now that we have gotten WAY off-topic... I say, if ya got it, wheel the piss out of it! :-D

who are you kidding, they've only recently started counter acting the pollution mess that spews from diesels. gasoline cars use catylitic converters, diesels are just an expensive mess to deal with. its getting better now but i doubt your truck has any of the newest tech. and of course you are just another jackass truck owner. californazi my ass, we like to try to keep our air clean you know? its amazing you have to pretend everyone else is doing no car maintenance to justify your own bullsh*t.

WHY IS DIESEL EXHAUST AN AIR POLLUTION PROBLEM?

Diesel exhaust is a mixture containing over 450 different components, including vapors and fine particles. Over 40 chemicals in diesel exhaust are considered toxic air contaminants by the State of California. Exposure to this mixture may result in cancer, exacerbation of asthma, and other health problems.

For the same load and engine conditions, diesel engines spew out 100 times more sooty particles than gasoline engines. As a result, diesel engines account for an estimated 26 percent of the total hazardous particulate pollution (PM10) from fuel combustion sources in our air, and 66 percent of the particulate pollution from on-road sources. Diesel engines also produce nearly 20 percent of the total nitrogen oxides (NOx) in outdoor air and 26 percent of the total NOx from on-road sources. Nitrogen oxides are a major contributor to ozone production and smog.

WHAT ARE THE HEALTH EFFECTS?

Diesel exhaust has been linked in numerous scientific studies to cancer, the exacerbation of asthma and other respiratory diseases. A draft report released by the US EPA in February 1998 indicated that exposure to even low levels of diesel exhaust is likely to pose a risk of lung cancer and respiratory impairment. And in August 1998, the State of California decided that there was enough evidence to list the particulate matter in diesel exhaust as a toxic air contaminant - a probable carcinogen requiring action to reduce public exposure and risk.

Dozens of studies link airborne fine particle, such as those in diesel exhaust, to increased hospital admissions for respiratory diseases, chronic obstructive lung disease, pneumonia, heart disease and up to 60,000 premature deaths annually in the US.

The health risk from diesel exposure is greatest for children, the elderly, people who have respiratory problems or who smoke, people who regularly strenuously exercise in diesel-polluted areas, and people who work or live near diesel exhaust sources. Studies have shown that the proximity of a child's residence to major roads is linked to hospital admissions for asthma, and there is a positive relationship between school proximity to freeways and asthma occurrence. Truck and traffic intensity and exhaust measured in schools were significantly associated with chronic respiratory symptoms.

WHAT IS THE SOLUTION?

Cleaner alternatives to diesel engines are readily available. Alternatives include electric, liquefied natural gas (LNG) or compressed natural gas (CNG) buses and trucks. Although initial purchase prices may be higher for alternative fuel buses and trucks, federal, state, and local funds are available to offset these higher costs. These funds are specifically earmarked for clean technologies and would not otherwise be available for these purchases.http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=36089

Not to mention he showed his ignorance with the global warming comments.

Orbit of the earth degrading? The climate changes in cycles. It's contributed to by the Milankovich Cycles. The proof of global warming is in the pudding. Climate change is spiking, occurring at a rate only rivalled in history by huge greenhouse gas released by volcanoes, and even those examples are dwarfed by the current warming trend.
Besides, if it were constantly getting warmer by 2 degrees per decade from orbit degradation, how would life have ever started on this snowball?

Your uncatalyzed pollution has little to do with global warming. A car with or without a catalytic converter exhausts the exact same amount of CO2. Of course you didn't know that, did you? Go learn how cars work, then come back.

 

[Alphacowboy]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Not to mention he showed his ignorance with the global warming comments.

Orbit of the earth degrading? The climate changes in cycles. It's contributed to by the Milankovich Cycles. The proof of global warming is in the pudding. Climate change is spiking, occurring at a rate only rivalled in history by huge greenhouse gas released by volcanoes, and even those examples are dwarfed by the current warming trend.
Besides, if it were constantly getting warmer by 2 degrees per decade from orbit degradation, how would life have ever started on this snowball?

Until you prove to me what you said, I dont believe what I hear on CNN or the slanted books in your local public school science classes.

Your uncatalyzed pollution has little to do with global warming. A car with or without a catalytic converter exhausts the exact same amount of CO2. Of course you didn't know that, did you? Go learn how cars work, then come back.

I do know how cars work. Yes the CO2 level is the same, its other so called polutants that the cat suppose to remove.... but the funny thing is a CAT is designed to burn unspent fuel that is sent down the exhaust pipe... if thats true, then would it not put out MORE CO2 as there is more fuel being burnt? I never did claim to know all about cars, I do know quite a bit, but ok, so ya maybe got me on the damn CAT... but there still is the point that there is MANY cars out there that polute way more than mine that are so called ECO-BOXES. Just because someone drives a 90's honda doesnt meen they are saving the planet like they think they are. They probably are dumping more bad things into the air then my well tuned oil burner. Oh, thats right, its an OIL burner... not just petro, BUT BIO-DIESEL too!


Lastly, there are many many many other reasons for global warming if you want to get techincal. Here are a few that many people just seem to want to neglect so they can point the finger at big truck and SUV owners...

-Roof tops, the amount of housing in the US alone has exploded. Many roofs are asphalt and tile roofs. THese roof tops absorb amazing amounts of the suns energy, and hold that HEAT for a good amount of time after the sun goes down... if you dont think a roof top radiating temps exeeding 100* for at least an hour after sun down will cause increased air temps, your blind.
-Commercial Developments, the explosion of little shops in strip malls add somthing people also do not take into account. PARKING LOTS! These huge flat spots all made of BLACK TAR suck up heat from the sun like nothing else. Temps on these surfaces on a sunny day will reach damn near temps that will burn you. THey then hold this heat for many many many hours past sun down. Again, this radiant heat is the killer spike in the coffin.
-All the asphault roads, yup, those too, same concept as the parking lots.
-Laugh if you want, but urban lighting! street lights, parking lot lights, commercial lights, yada yada yada, stay on all night long, radiating what... heat. Not to mention all the damn light pollution, I freakin hate it... damn housing developments keep moving closer, and the less of the beautiful night skies do I see. Do we really need all these street lights, I swear there was a really cool invention called the headlight?
-How about you, yeah I mean you and every other human on this planet? The population of this planet is always INCREASING. With extended life spans, you and I live longer, there for you and I radiate heat everyday! With each human radiating a approximate 98* of body heat constantly, you do the math, its alot of body heat. You maybe outside, so its not like packing a 50k people into a stadium (you know how fast that can heat up the joint!) but this planet does have a "bubble" that hold heat in, so yeah, you get the idea.
-Hell, why not, how about that computer under your desk pumping out 100*+ of hot air, maybe you should turn it off, might keep the planet from melting.

so if you ask me, the only way we can avoid global warming, is to just do us all in. Might as well just tell all the people on this planet to put the gun to thier head and just pull the trigger, as humans are evil and destructive, I am sure that would fix it all! :roll:

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Alphacowboy
Believe what you want about Global Warming and all that "stuff" and I will believe what I believe. Its a bunch of crap in my eyes, in all reality, I think the Earths rotation around the sun degrades every year (as everything does that is in any type of orbit around a gravitational mass) and that is the reasoning behind anything resembeling Global Warming. They just cant tell anyone in the public or there would be great havoc and destruction do to people not comprehending that it will take 100's if not 1000's of YEARS to actually be a threat. God made this earth, no matter how hard we damn well try, we cant kill it, it will kill us way before we can ever get remotely close. And even then, I believe God would take us away before that point anyway.

You may be able to tune a diesel, but you're one of the more clueless people I've ever seen when it comes to science. Wow. I guess people can make themselves believe anything if they really want to...

But you unknowingly hit on something in your second-to-last sentence. We'll kill ourselves before we kill the earth--TRUE. What reasonable being would want to kill itself?

Did you ever wonder why the hurricanes in Florida get worse and more frequent every year?

As for your last sentence, that's no excuse to be irresponsible. Would you go around trashing people's stuff because "God's gonna take you away anyway"? So why are you trashing my air?

 

[SlowSpyder]

Nice truck. I'd like to pick up a mid 90's Dodge Ram 2500 diesel one day. I have a turbo car now, and like how easy it is to make power from it. And diesels are just that much easier yet to make power.

With all that said, I'm no liberal and global warming is real.

 

[Alphacowboy]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: Alphacowboy
Believe what you want about Global Warming and all that "stuff" and I will believe what I believe. Its a bunch of crap in my eyes, in all reality, I think the Earths rotation around the sun degrades every year (as everything does that is in any type of orbit around a gravitational mass) and that is the reasoning behind anything resembeling Global Warming. They just cant tell anyone in the public or there would be great havoc and destruction do to people not comprehending that it will take 100's if not 1000's of YEARS to actually be a threat. God made this earth, no matter how hard we damn well try, we cant kill it, it will kill us way before we can ever get remotely close. And even then, I believe God would take us away before that point anyway.

You may be able to tune a diesel, but you're one of the more clueless people I've ever seen when it comes to science. Wow. I guess people can make themselves believe anything if they really want to...

But you unknowingly hit on something in your second-to-last sentence. We'll kill ourselves before we kill the earth--TRUE. What reasonable being would want to kill itself?

Did you ever wonder why the hurricanes in Florida get worse and more frequent every year?

As for your last sentence, that's no excuse to be irresponsible. Would you go around trashing people's stuff because "God's gonna take you away anyway"? So why are you trashing my air?

Clueless, contrare mofrare! I am pretty level headed and do know quite abit. Please elaborate why you think I am clueless, I am kinda curious to your answer. As far as "blowing smoke" what have you failed to read in my post, my truck ONLY smokes when i want it to! If I have my fueling box on a low setting, there is NO more smoke than anyother vehicle out on the road.

As far as the hurricans, last I read it was all GWB's fault :roll: Please, humans have inhabited this planet for what, 3-4k years most likely? Maybe longer, no one really knows. Also, the USA has only been populated for what, 500 years? ANd even then, there never was anyone really settled on the coasts in the Gulf. THe idea that the hurricanes are getting worse is retarded. THey are bad right now, woopi freakin do. So you are telling me, in the past what 200 years of actually collecting the data, that now the huricanes are getting worse due to global warming. Pull your head out of your ass and use a little common sense, it would tell you that there is NO way to prove either way. Now if you told me that we had over 2k years of data to work with, then it would make sense. but who is to say that 1k years ago that the US southern cost wasnt hit with 100 hurricanes?

I dont deliberately laydown clouds of black smoke my friend! Only do when I see fit, as to lay the hammer down to pass someone or when the typical ricer rides my ass, and I leave them behind faster than they could ever have dreamed of moving.

 

[Alphacowboy]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
Nice truck. I'd like to pick up a mid 90's Dodge Ram 2500 diesel one day. I have a turbo car now, and like how easy it is to make power from it. And diesels are just that much easier yet to make power.

With all that said, I'm no liberal and global warming is real.

thanks!

And I never said that global warming maybe not be true.... I just think that the finger is being pointed in the incorrect direction.

 

[iamwiz82]

While I would like a CTD to tow my Jeep around, smoke stacks scream "redneck." There's a classy way to do thing, and then there's that

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Alphacowboy

I do know how cars work. Yes the CO2 level is the same, its other so called polutants that the cat suppose to remove.... but the funny thing is a CAT is designed to burn unspent fuel that is sent down the exhaust pipe... if thats true, then would it not put out MORE CO2 as there is more fuel being burnt?

Unburned hydrocarbons are less of a problem than CO2. CO2 is only a problem in large quantities, otherwise it's a fairly inert gas.

Originally posted by: Alphacowboy
As far as the hurricans, last I read it was all GWB's fault :roll: Please, humans have inhabited this planet for what, 3-4k years most likely? Maybe longer, no one really knows. Also, the USA has only been populated for what, 500 years? ANd even then, there never was anyone really settled on the coasts in the Gulf. THe idea that the hurricanes are getting worse is retarded. THey are bad right now, woopi freakin do. So you are telling me, in the past what 200 years of actually collecting the data, that now the huricanes are getting worse due to global warming. Pull your head out of your ass and use a little common sense, it would tell you that there is NO way to prove either way. Now if you told me that we had over 2k years of data to work with, then it would make sense. but who is to say that 1k years ago that the US southern cost wasnt hit with 100 hurricanes?

We're coming out of an ice age now, which IS indeed part of the reason behind global warming--it's not just humans! However, we do contribute. I'm no radical, I don't think everyone in the world should live in the forest and eat tofu. Waste happens, that's just reality, and I acknowledge that. There's nothing wrong with tuning your car to get some extra power. What I have issues with is people who, say, gut their cat to net 5 extra HP, and in the process increase their NOx and HC emissions tenfold or more. They could do a little bit better informed tuning and get more power while not being needlessly polluting.

Hey, I LIKE diesels. I love the torque, I love how well matched they are to turbos, I love how they can burn anything. If you're tuning well, go for it. I just worry about your attitude that "the earth's gonna end anyway so we can do anything we want until then"

 

[Alphacowboy]

Originally posted by: jagec


Hey, I LIKE diesels. I love the torque, I love how well matched they are to turbos, I love how they can burn anything. If you're tuning well, go for it. I just worry about your attitude that "the earth's gonna end anyway so we can do anything we want until then"

Sorry, I didnt mean to come across that way, trust me I do care, and my end of the world comments were more of a "sarcasm" responce. should we conserve and also protect our planet, hell yeah, but i just think there is way to much finger pointing in the incorrect directions.

as far as the gutted cats and crap like that.... honestly, I think its a dumb ass cheap halfassed way of gaining power. They make hi-flow CAT systems for gassers, and they work fine. On a diesel, I am sorry,but CATs just dont belong, they will soot up way to quickly, and due to the extreme temperatures that a diesel exhaust reaches under load I would think would melt them anyway, not to mention the turbo. Turbo'd engine NEED to breath freely!

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Alphacowboy
as far as the gutted cats and crap like that.... honestly, I think its a dumb ass cheap halfassed way of gaining power. They make hi-flow CAT systems for gassers, and they work fine. On a diesel, I am sorry,but CATs just dont belong, they will soot up way to quickly, and due to the extreme temperatures that a diesel exhaust reaches under load I would think would melt them anyway, not to mention the turbo. Turbo'd engine NEED to breath freely!

hi-flow cats for gassers I have no problems with. Just as long as there IS a cat. And yeah, cats don't work on diesels right now...but with low-sulfur diesel, the only emission they have that's a big deal is particulates. One of my profs was working on a filter for that, but who knows if it will come about...

 

[RU482]

84 Mercedes 300D here

literally an oil burner
vegetable oil