The R9 295 thread - Reviews are in - Quiet, cooler, fast, $1500

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3DVagabond

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Even with that it won't help much. Look at Martin's Liquid Lab, the really thick radiators (80mm) do not perform substantially better than the normal radiators (35-45mm). My calculations were based on the EX360 adjusted for 120mm.

So, you thought it was worth mentioning that the Rad was thinner than what you had calculated, but when it's pointed out that it's actually thicker than you calculated, that doesn't matter?
 

Gikaseixas

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Why is it still rated at 500W then? And why do they have to break PCIe standards?

500w is less offensive than $3000 and i didn't see you going crazy on that other thread
If PCIe std's are so important to you, keep buying single GPUs that sip power.
Also i'm sure the engineering team saw no problems in breaking that rule
 

SlowSpyder

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Why is it still rated at 500W then? And why do they have to break PCIe standards?


Probably because they won't sell any of these to OEM's like Dell, HP. I think companies like that are who care about those things. To the enthusiast buying a $1000+ video card, probably not as big of a deal.
 

ShintaiDK

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500w is less offensive than $3000 and i didn't see you going crazy on that other thread
If PCIe std's are so important to you, keep buying single GPUs that sip power.
Also i'm sure the engineering team saw no problems in breaking that rule

Can you tell me the price of this card?

Breaking PCIe standard drasticly reduce the amount of buyers willing. It completely exclude the professional and OEM market. Plus it can void warranty on other products. (Mobo/PSU).

I am sure the engineering team saw the problems associated. But might not have had much to say in the matter.
 

AtenRa

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And why do they have to break PCIe standards?

Because they can ??? :biggrin:

As for the card, I like it that they used a full 290X with even higher clocks and didnt care about 300W standards, but i would really like that card with a slim (Single PCI) Full Body Water Cooling block and 240-280mm Rad.

Price i believe to be $1500, could be wrong.
 

wand3r3r

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Can you tell me the price of this card?

Breaking PCIe standard drasticly reduce the amount of buyers willing. It completely exclude the professional and OEM market. Plus it can void warranty on other products. (Mobo/PSU).

I am sure the engineering team saw the problems associated. But might not have had much to say in the matter.

Personally I'll await the reviews before "trying" to find the flaws. None of these major concerns you are so "concerned" with matter to me, and I highly doubt you are their potential customer either.
 

ShintaiDK

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Probably because they won't sell any of these to OEM's like Dell, HP. I think companies like that are who care about those things. To the enthusiast buying a $1000+ video card, probably not as big of a deal.

I just find it odd that they have to exclude the entire professional and OEM market for this product. The HD7990 was 375W and within specs for example. But again, they did release 220W CPUs too.
 

Gikaseixas

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Can you tell me the price of this card?

Breaking PCIe standard drasticly reduce the amount of buyers willing. It completely exclude the professional and OEM market. Plus it can void warranty on other products. (Mobo/PSU).

I am sure the engineering team saw the problems associated. But might not have had much to say in the matter.

Is not going to be $3000 for sure. I think they'll charge $1200-$1500 tops

Professional and OEM will have no problems supporting this card if it comes rated at 500w simply because most of the required wattage will be supplied by the power supply connection aka 6 or 8 pin connector. The card will not compromise other components because it will only use 75 watts from the mobo. The power supply will take the hit and that's one of the reasons why we see 1600w power supplies around
 
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SlowSpyder

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I just find it odd that they have to exclude the entire professional and OEM market for this product. The HD7990 was 375W and within specs for example. But again, they did release 220W CPUs too.


The way I see it is that two Hawaii GPU's were never going to fit in the PCIE standard, at least not at a performance level to justify the price (two 400+mm2 GPU's are expensive to produce). So, they could cut down SP's / clockspeed and try and reduce the performance and heat output but still have a broken PCIE spec (does it matter if it is 425 watts or 500 watts? Dell isn't going to use it either way). Or they could go all out, grab the performance crown and probably follow Nvidia's lead and price this thing at a premium.

I'm glad they went balls to the wall with it. Kinda how I like the FX 9xxx CPU's, I think it is cool that AMD is willing to produce parts like that.
 

Subyman

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So, you thought it was worth mentioning that the Rad was thinner than what you had calculated, but when it's pointed out that it's actually thicker than you calculated, that doesn't matter?

Sure because the 22mm slim rads that are in AIO units are in a different class than the enthusiast rads like the EX360 or Alphacool units. The thickness between enthusiast units is mostly down to aesthetics whereas the slim 22mm radiators are very restrictive especially with the little pump used. What I should have said is that there are diminishing returns when you go over a certain thickness.
 

Subyman

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Suby all assumptions you came up with are wrong IMO
The rad is not thin and with that fan in the middle i think you're going to be shocked. They even raised the mhz to make sure it's better than two 290X's. But let's wait and see, just a few more days.

Yup, 500W on a 120mm AIO is going to shock me at how well it cools.
 

TreVader

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Even at $1500 this thing is going to be a steal in comparison to the alternative. I think this could turn into a disaster if there are any defects in the water-cooling system but otherwise it looks pretty awesome.


If they price it over 2k I'll be pissed.
 

Subyman

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I don't agree. With two fans and two completely separate paths for heat dissipation, it might be entirely possible to obtain acceptable noise levels with the cooling system pictured. Obviously, we won't know until the card is actually reviewed. But I believe there is a chance for acceptable acoustics.

What's acceptable? I believe it will be a tad quieter than the R9 290, but not near the reference 780 cooler.

I'm really interested to see how it does. 500W is no joke, but I wouldn't be surprised if the 1018mhz clock is misinformation. I could see this thing doing 900mhz at 375W if they cherry bit chips and under volt. If they really clocked it higher than 2x290X then its going to be a heat machine. Can't wait to read the reviews.

FWIW, I think this thing is going to be insane on an EK block and a proper loop. I look forward to seeing what people do with it.
 
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All this talk of noise is silly because a 120mm fan with good bearings at 2000 RPM will still be very quiet compared to NV blowers going at 80% or AMD blowers going at 55%.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r9-290-review-benchmark,3659-18.html

Asetek pumps are not even close to the noise compared to GPUs, even open fan variants once they get loaded. I have 3 of them in my rig right now, less than 1M from my head. Reference R290 blower at 40% (quiet mode!) is more noisier than 3 of my AIO. All it requires to be quiet are good 120mm fans.
 

Keysplayr

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So nobody wants to wait until the review to fight with each other then?
Heh. Just wait guys. They'll be far less "I told you so's"
 
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