The Radeon 7850 is an overclocking beast

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raildogg

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drats, you're right, it went up $10 today when I had finally made my decision to buy. oh well. I'll wait for the next sale but I think 7850 2GB is where the sweet spot is.

I think so too. I think somewhere in the range of $150-$170 would be good to buy. If it is higher than that, then the 7870 looks better.
 
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reallyscrued

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drats, you're right, it went up $10 today when I had finally made my decision to buy. oh well. I'll wait for the next sale but I think 7850 2GB is where the sweet spot is.

Go to the page with the videcard on Neweegg, sign into your account, and hit "autonotify"

Put in the price it was at on sale (185 for the gigabyte version), and then wait. It will drop in price faster once people "put their bid" in the system.
 

reallyscrued

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Benches are in.

First off, I seem to have acquired a mediocre card for OC'ing. The particular card I chose, the GV-R785OC-2GD, comes overclocked from the manufacturer. (975 Mhz Core vs 860 Mhz). With software utilities, it will go up to 1175 Mhz Core and complete a 3DMark'11 run, but it will crash within 10 minutes of playing Crysis or running Metro 2033 benchmarks. Max stable core for prolonged use is no higher than 1150 Mhz.

In order to get clocks that high, I have to use Sapphire's Trixx tool. I'm sure you all know, Catalyst only allows core speeds up to 1050 Mhz. In addition to Core/Memory clock speed changes higher than Catalyst, Trixx also includes a voltage slider that goes up to 1.225 volts. I really wish the Gigabyte had more voltage headroom as I'm certain it has more potential than 1150 Mhz on the core. Considering the core is nearly an identical chip to the 7870, I'm sure it would work fine with 1.3 volts and open the card up a lot more.

The memory chips are another story. The RAM used on this card are the Hynix H5GQ2H24MFA-T2C, or the same ones used in the 6950s; they are rated for 1250 Mhz (5000 quad pumped) and have a lot of headroom beyond even that so I'm a bit perplexed as to why Gigabyte didn't clock the memory at full speed if they went out of their way to overclock the core. RAM is rather, detuned to 1200 Mhz (4800 QDR) but I found I can go up to 6000 Mhz before I see artifacts. General consensus is that anything past 5500 Mhz is useless and actually detrimental to performance on the 7850; I will try to see if there is any merit to that.

For testing, I wanted to use games that actually push the card and not hover in the 100+ fps, because, at that point, who needs to overclock anything anyway? The obvious choices were Crysis (still after all these years, I've never played this game at Very High settings smoothly), Metro 2033 (an extremely demanding benchmark, very cool lighting work), and to round the whole thing out, 3DMark 2011.

The settings I used were:

1. 3DMark 11 - Performance Setting
2. Crysis - Low/Medium/High/Very High DX10 - 1920x1080 : 2x AA
3. Metro 2033 - DX10 - High/Very High | DX11 - High/Very High - 1920x1080 - AAA

On to the results -



'Gains' in this table are calculated using only the 'Graphics' column.

3DMark suggests Gigabyte picked a good stock OC, which gives a ~5000 point increase from reference clocks, then a bump up to 5500 on the memory gives a respectable 27% performance gain over stock. Each interval of clock increases indicate a 7-10% step in increase until RAM is maxed out at 6000 Mhz; 3DMark (somewhat expectedly) suggests that an increase in RAM speed past 5500 Mhz doesn't net any extra serious performance. A 10% increase in speed from 5500 to 6000 only nets 1% more performance. Probably not worth the extra heat and stress, especially because the RAM chips are cooled naked by air.

Optimal Clocks: 1150 Core/5500 Memory



'Gains' in this table are calculated using only the 'Very High' column.

Crysis results mirror those of 3DMark. At 'Very High' settings, we see a nice jump of 10% over stock clocks at Catalyst max settings. Everything past that are miniscule, a 33% Core/25% Memory increase nets only ~12% of extra performance. I've probably got a bottleneck somewhere in my system, probably CPU limited.

Optimal Clocks for play: 1150 Core/5500 Memory



'Gains' in this table are calculated using only the 'DX11 V. High' column.

Metro 2033 is the only test in which RAM speeds actually made a performance increase all the way up to 6000 Mhz. Metro 2033 is also the only benchmark that made my card as hot as 67 Degrees Celsius; this is one demanding game. Too bad I'd never play this game at Very High settings anyway as it is still a lag-fest, so at DX11-High settings, there are no performance gains to be had past Catalyst Max OCs.

Optimal Clocks for play: 1050 Core/5500 Memory


Conclusion:

The Gigabyte version of the 7850 seems to be a great card if you want a cool and quiet (not once did I hear the fans on this card spin up) solution to mid range graphics, but you'd be better off getting a different brand with unlocked voltages if you plan on overclocking. It's really too bad as the cooler seems more efficient than other brands (I know of MSIs and XFXs getting to 80 degrees and higher) and the clock speeds scales incredibly well in measurable performance.

Overall I'm pretty happy with the card regardless of falling short of the fabled 1200 Mhz core figures as in any of the games that matter, it only nets maybe 3 or 4 frames extra. I really wanted Battlefield 3 to run constant 60 fps at 1080p at High settings and this card does exactly that at Gigabyte's own OC level.

I'm going to leave the card at 1050/5500 in Catalyst and not use Sapphire Trixx as that provides a decent performance boost and I typically don't hit the bug where reverting to 2D clocks doesn't happen properly and I get a vertical line screen crash. If anyone has any idea how to circumvent that, I'd love to hear it. Example: Going from playing Metro 2033 to playing a flash video on youtube in Firefox causes my desktop to crash, every, single, time. Quirks.
 

daeder

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Anyone help me with my 7850. It's an Asus Direct CU II V2 7850 2gb and in GPU Tweak, the maximum voltage allowed is only 1165mv.

In Sapphire Trixx, it goes up to 1210mv but when using Trixx, I can't open any games as it just crashes. Games just won't load when using Trixx so I'm stuck with GPU Tweak.
 

AlucardX

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Anyone help me with my 7850. It's an Asus Direct CU II V2 7850 2gb and in GPU Tweak, the maximum voltage allowed is only 1165mv.

In Sapphire Trixx, it goes up to 1210mv but when using Trixx, I can't open any games as it just crashes. Games just won't load when using Trixx so I'm stuck with GPU Tweak.

You need GPU Tweak v2.0.6

Go here, http://support.asus.com/download.aspx?p=9&m=GPU+Tweak&hashedid=n/a ; pick win7 64bit in the drop down menu, expand the first tree with the "22" character in front, then look for the 2.0.6 version in the list. This version should let you max out the vcore.
 

daeder

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Strange 2.0.6 isn't launching when trying to install. Tried 32bit and 64bit. Downloaded newest and setup.exe was launching.

Take that back. Had to uninstall first.
 

Mad Lion

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I'm on an aging platform (Q6600 @3.06 ghz with bus at 340 and memory at 510 for 1020mhz), but I couldn't pass up a deal I saw on [H] forums for a HIS 7850 2GB. Paid 140 shipped, just sold my 5850 for 135 shipped. After paypal and ebay fees, this was a 20 dollar upgrade.

Anyway, I'm CPU limited, but this card still gave me a noticeable boost in performance. The ASIC is 85%, and the stock voltage is only 1.075. Without even touching the voltage, I maxed out the core at 1050 and set the memory to 1250 (because almost all these cards use Hynix RAM rated at 5ghz).

This card is a hidden gem. For those at 1080p especially. I plan on doing a full upgrade around xmas and/or tax return time to see if AMD releases a competitive part in Steamroller FX and to let Haswell mature. But fore now, at 1080p, this card has enabled the playing of almost every game on high or ultra settings.
 

SickBeast

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Wow this thread is still alive. I wish my wife had not spilled miso soup on my 7850. I really liked that card. After that she destroyed my laptop as well.
 

skipsneeky2

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Wow this thread is still alive. I wish my wife had not spilled miso soup on my 7850. I really liked that card. After that she destroyed my laptop as well.

Have had much worst luck then you,had a system with a core i7 950 and gtx580 simply crap out 2 years ago due to a thermaltake tr2 750w psu then last year a core i7 3770k rig with sli gtx670 was stolen during a move.

Hopefully your luck changes and hopefully for me as well,been a bad luck streak as far as computers go.
 

sushiwarrior

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So, there's a lot of info to rummage through here, but to be clear, a 7870 is preferred for overclocking? I know the 7850 is better value, but the 7870 hits higher clocks?
 

Zanovar

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Wow this thread is still alive. I wish my wife had not spilled miso soup on my 7850. I really liked that card. After that she destroyed my laptop as well.

Ouch,thats some bad luck.card completely knackered?maybe shes trying to tell you something,sorry i couldnt resist.
 
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rancherlee

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So, there's a lot of info to rummage through here, but to be clear, a 7870 is preferred for overclocking? I know the 7850 is better value, but the 7870 hits higher clocks?

Basically,yes as it's hard to get over a 1.255v setting on a 7850 where as a 7870 will go 1.3v. With 7870's dropping under the 200$ mark fairly often I think the 7870 is now overtaking the 7850 as the best value. In terms of "most overclock gained" the 7850 Is about the best card I've seen in recent years! With 7950's approaching the 250$ mark soon those will become the next "bang for buck" card and I've seen a few lately hit 259$ after rebate.
 

Mad Lion

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I got my HIS 2gb standard card up to 1175/5500 on stock voltages.

Here's the odd thing: Adjusting voltage at all seems to result in problems. The only reason I used the Asus utility is because it unlocked the higher speeds on the catalyst center, even after uninstalling the Asus utility. I can run it at 1175/5500 simply by adjusting the clocks in catalyst control center. Maybe catalyst control center auto-adjusts the voltage? No idea.

If I actually use the Asus utility to adjust clocks, though, I need a voltage boost just to get to 1100. It seems that my system doesn't like 3rd party utilities. No worries, though, because even after uninstalling the Asus tweak utility, I still have all the higher clocks available in Catalyst.

1175/5500 makes this card SCREAM. It's crazy fast. And the temps are never higher than 80/81 in Unigine Heaven, even though the stock cooler on this card is pretty wimpy.
 
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dr.noob

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spat55

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I'd like to know how far I can push the VRM's. None of mine have a sensor on them so don't know how far to go. ATM they are, 1120mhz core, 1300mhz memory and 1.138v. I think I can get 1.2Ghz out of them if i go to 1.25v maybe 1220mhz but don't want to kill them not at least till the new gen are out and get a price drop or two.
 

Piklar

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Had crossfire Sapphire 7850 OCs last year in May and loved em, felt like a decent upgrade from crossfire 5850s.

Shared my findings here:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/352263-33-hd7850-crossfirex-tweaking

Then along came SLI GTX 670s and now SLI GTX 780s, which is ideal for Arma 3 @2560x1600 , looking forward to the next worthwhile upgrade..

HD 7850s with decent cooling can overclock into little beasts for sure although I found they overclocked a lot less in crossfire . After
 
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spat55

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Had crossfire Sapphire 7850 OCs last year in May and loved em, felt like a decent upgrade from crossfire 5850s.

Shared my findings here:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/352263-33-hd7850-crossfirex-tweaking

Then along came SLI GTX 670s and now SLI GTX 780s, which is ideal for Arma 3 @2560x1600 , looking forward to the next worthwhile upgrade..

HD 7850s with decent cooling can overclock into little beasts for sure although I found they overclocked a lot less in crossfire . After

Luckily for me they both have the same overclocking ability, so I don't feel like I am left out of anything, with two of these I can get to HD 7970 speeds easily when they scale perfectly. Would like to get them past the 1.3GHZ on the core though :twisted:
 
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