Starbuck1975
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I remember when the affluent MBA crowd worshipped the Apprentice, and heralded Donald Trump as a genius.You are right, it is much worse. It's the goddamned Apprentice.
I remember when the affluent MBA crowd worshipped the Apprentice, and heralded Donald Trump as a genius.You are right, it is much worse. It's the goddamned Apprentice.
I remember when the affluent MBA crowd worshipped the Apprentice, and heralded Donald Trump as a genius.
Quite true. The Democrats have hopefully learned the danger of gaming the electoral outcome by normalizing the pied piper candidate.Oh they could absolutely be bad ideas but we're talking electoral tactics here, not governing. I think it is a catastrophic electoral strategy to focus media attention on enemies of yours who are compelling and have popular ideas because voters tend to...well... vote for them.
Trump is quite the chameleon. Prior to the birther movement, Trump fit the profile of the typical NY Democrat donor class. He is not conservative and yet he is simultaneously the voice of far right authoritarianism. He is a fascist but also left of the GOP mainstream. In some ways, he has truly become the boogeyman.Trump is not exactly young or attractive, haha. (arguably fun) I think part of Trump's appeal was specifically that he promised policies far to the left of the average Republican. Remember he was the guy saying that he wanted universal health care, to raise tariffs to protect blue collar jobs, to raise taxes on the rich, etc, etc. It was all lies, but it was a big part of his appeal, especially in the rust belt areas that proved decisive.
Hence my disappointment that the GOP didn't sink him when they had the chance. If anything, Trump has proven to be the most useful of idiots. The Democrats won’t impeach him if they can get him to dance. At the end of the day, I think Trump lives for the photo op to sign things, regardless of what those things are so long as they feed his insatiable ego.There were zero calculations involved with the GOP nominating Trump, he simply overwhelmed them because they had mistakenly conditioned their base to swallow any and all bullshit sent their way.
Trump is quite the chameleon. Prior to the birther movement, Trump fit the profile of the typical NY Democrat donor class. He is not conservative and yet he is simultaneously the voice of far right authoritarianism. He is a fascist but also left of the GOP mainstream. In some ways, he has truly become the boogeyman.
Hence my disappointment that the GOP didn't sink him when they had the chance. If anything, Trump has proven to be the most useful of idiots. The Democrats won’t impeach him if they can get him to dance. At the end of the day, I think Trump lives for the photo op to sign things, regardless of what those things are so long as they feed his insatiable ego.
Trump is quite the chameleon. Prior to the birther movement, Trump fit the profile of the typical NY Democrat donor class. He is not conservative and yet he is simultaneously the voice of far right authoritarianism. He is a fascist but also left of the GOP mainstream. In some ways, he has truly become the boogeyman.
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While I agree some of her economic ideas are far-fetched, to put it lightly they are no worse and almost certainly far better than a number of people you have voted for in the past. Did you vote for Bobby Jindal? If so you voted for someone with a worse grasp of economics than Ocasio-Cortez by a long shot and he proved it.
That aside, it's pretty interesting just how far AOC has gotten into Republicans' heads. Booing her when she votes for Pelosi? Showing videos of her dancing in college as if that's a bad thing? Reporting that she went to high school in Yorktown as if that's a scandal when that information is prominently posted on her own website? Whatever, they can keep doing it because they're just playing into her hands.
I thought TDS stood for "trump dick sucker" and the people using it were simply identifying themselves.
People who believe that we can convert the entire energy consumption of the US to 100% renewables by 2030 tend to get into our heads. People who tout a Green New Deal as addressing social, gender, and economic justice tend to get into the heads of anyone who likes coherent thoughts or plans.
Regarding the dancing video - honest question. Who posted it? All the links I find to it say it "emerged". From whom?
I don't know why he posts about anything other than abortion. He has said it is the only issue he cares about when voting.Why do they get in your heads? Republicans routinely promise things that are far more fantastical and far more ridiculous but you vote for them anyway. While 100% renewables by 2030 is likely impractical the goal of a drastic move to them is very smart. So what if we don't get there? A similar goal is good. As for using such a new deal to achieve greater social and economic justice what's wrong with that? FDR's new deal certainly did similar things so why not now?
Again though, from my understanding you are someone who primarily votes for Republicans. Have you ever seen their economic or public policy ideas? They are absolutely, bafflingly retarded in many cases. Just look at anything they've put forward on taxes, health care, climate change, etc. over the last ten years. (remember how they were going to magically cover everyone with better health care for less money?) If you think her being an 'idiot' is disqualifying then how do you justify voting for people far stupider than she is?
I would really like an answer to this question. If her policies are dumb because you view them as infeasible then why aren't similarly (or more) infeasible policies by Republicans disqualifying?
It was posted on twitter by someone identifying themselves as a Qanon (read: right wing crazy) person.
Regarding the dancing video - honest question. Who posted it? All the links I find to it say it "emerged". From whom? On what basis was it ascribed to conservatives trying to trash her?
Here is America’s favorite commie know-it-all acting like the clueless nitwit she is...
...High School video of “Sandy” Ocasio-Cortezpic.twitter.com/s723Vga9zF
— AnonymousQ (@AnonymousQ1776) January 2, 2019
Book, you read him.Here you are exposing your ignorance. It's bad form to try and make a long argument based on easily-proven non-truths. Trump has, for his entire life, been completely rejected by the exact NY Donor class that you desperately need him to be a part of to make your false argument work. Fact is: he's a childish, selfish asshole. He's not a real wealthy person, and he has never behaved like one. He has never been invited to their big parties, because they know he is a selfish cvnt. Trump has explicitly been shunned from these circles, because he is the exact opposite of them. They know it, and he knows it. It's why he desperately wants to be accepted by them, but never will. It's all projection. He craves the love and adulation of the mewling hovel-dwellers that make up his base because these people, despite his abject loathing for them, are the only people that show him the praise that he irrationally believes he deserves.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/24/nyregion/donald-trump-nyc.html
https://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/trump-and-the-truth-his-charitable-giving
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/...hedge-fund-tycoon-behind-the-trump-presidency
In which you learn that Trump has been forced to seek support and aid outside of this specific class, for the most part, because he has no friends here, and no one likes him. Even the Kochs fucking hate him, and those guys tend to show up at such events, despite their politics being completely anathema to the majority of big NY donors. (It took Robert Mercer's endorsement and forcing of Pence onto the ticket to get the Kochs to back Trump)
Seriously though: you have to actually donate money to even be considered part of the club. Come one man--that one is just too obvious for you to make such a ridiculous attempt at linking him with these people.
I hope she posts every single dick pic she receives. Give Mike Pence something to think about.Not if I cut you first...
One thing is the hatemail she must get .... another is the amount of d* picks that must be coming her way.. Those poor staffers......
Why do they get in your heads? Republicans routinely promise things that are far more fantastical and far more ridiculous but you vote for them anyway. While 100% renewables by 2030 is likely impractical the goal of a drastic move to them is very smart. So what if we don't get there? A similar goal is good. As for using such a new deal to achieve greater social and economic justice what's wrong with that? FDR's new deal certainly did similar things so why not now?
Again though, from my understanding you are someone who primarily votes for Republicans. Have you ever seen their economic or public policy ideas? They are absolutely, bafflingly retarded in many cases. Just look at anything they've put forward on taxes, health care, climate change, etc. over the last ten years. (remember how they were going to magically cover everyone with better health care for less money?) If you think her being an 'idiot' is disqualifying then how do you justify voting for people far stupider than she is?
I would really like an answer to this question. If her policies are dumb because you view them as infeasible then why aren't similarly (or more) infeasible policies by Republicans disqualifying?
It was posted on twitter by someone identifying themselves as a Qanon (read: right wing crazy) person.
Why not now? A better question is why at all. She wants to upgrade every single residential and commercial building in the United States for energy efficiency. The committee she wants to form would have near-total oversight over industry, mandated to push union membership. She wants a job guarantee program to ensure a "living-wage" job to everyone. And, just in passing, she'll also have universal income and Medicare for all.
This from someone who was a bartender 20 minutes ago.
She's out of her mind. I guess if you have no objection to vast expansions of government as long as your people are doing it, then...well I suppose that's about what I expect from progressives.
Be specific, and I'll answer. There's a diffierence between infeasible and what Cortez is pushing. Unless a Republican is saying he wants to kill poor people, I rarely choose Republicans over Democrats for economic reasons. You know the issue that fundamentally informs my orientation.
So we have one Qanon tweet, and suddenly all Republicans hate seeing women dance. This is really sad.
Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez proposed taxing the wealthy as high as 70% to fund a climate change plan she's pushing called the "Green New Deal."
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"Once you get to the tippie-tops, on your $10 millionth dollar, sometimes you see tax rates as high as 60% or 70%. That doesn't mean all $10 million dollars are taxed at an extremely high rate. But it means that as you climb up this ladder, you should be contributing more," Ocasio-Cortez said.
She also acknowledged that her goal is "ambitious."
So if all their other policies hurt you in some way (assuming you aren't a 1%'er), you'd still vote for them based on abortion alone?Be specific, and I'll answer. There's a diffierence between infeasible and what Cortez is pushing. Unless a Republican is saying he wants to kill poor people, I rarely choose Republicans over Democrats for economic reasons. You know the issue that fundamentally informs my orientation.
So if all their other policies hurt you in some way (assuming you aren't a 1%'er), you'd still vote for them based on abortion alone?
Honestly, that is extremely short sighted, for you and all those children you care about.
You should vote for whoever you feel like, but please please look into other policies besides just one. Take environment for example...what about all those children who are born who end up suffering from poor air or water quality due to relaxing regulations?
Good luck.So if all their other policies hurt you in some way (assuming you aren't a 1%'er), you'd still vote for them based on abortion alone?
Honestly, that is extremely short sighted, for you and all those children you care about. You should vote for whoever you feel like, but please please look into other policies besides just one. Take environment for example...what about all those children who are born who end up suffering from poor air or water quality due to relaxing regulations?
Abortion is an excuse to rationalize voting for people you know to be utterly immoral.That would depend on specifics.
Abortion is the direct, deliberate killing of an innocent human being. That takes priority over trying to control second- and third- order effects of government regulations.
The mother is just standing her ground.That would depend on specifics.
Abortion is the direct, deliberate killing of an innocent human being. That takes priority over trying to control second- and third- order effects of government regulations.
That would depend on specifics.
Abortion is the direct, deliberate killing of an innocent human being. That takes priority over trying to control second- and third- order effects of government regulations.
I don't think that's true as Trump has always been a voice of reactionary racism, even back in the 80's and before. Members of the NY Democrat donor class don't take out full page ads calling for the execution of a bunch of (turns out innocent!) black teenagers.
That is your core belief that you want to impose on eeeeveryone else, also those who disagrees with you. Hmmm.. how would we feel about ISIS coming along and forcing the caliphate down our throats? Your choices. My choices. Their choices.
I mean I can see it if there was a shortage of people and the race was on the brink of extinction ............ But we are not.
Why not now? A better question is why at all. She wants to upgrade every single residential and commercial building in the United States for energy efficiency. The committee she wants to form would have near-total oversight over industry, mandated to push union membership. She wants a job guarantee program to ensure a "living-wage" job to everyone. And, just in passing, she'll also have universal income and Medicare for all.
This from someone who was a bartender 20 minutes ago.
She's out of her mind. I guess if you have no objection to vast expansions of government as long as your people are doing it, then...well I suppose that's about what I expect from progressives.
Be specific, and I'll answer. There's a diffierence between infeasible and what Cortez is pushing. Unless a Republican is saying he wants to kill poor people, I rarely choose Republicans over Democrats for economic reasons. You know the issue that fundamentally informs my orientation.
So we have one Qanon tweet, and suddenly all Republicans hate seeing women dance. This is really sad.