The real Hilary Clinton according to Secret Service

madoka

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‘Good morning, ma’am,” a member of the uniformed Secret Service once greeted Hillary Clinton.

“F— off,” she replied.

That exchange is one among many that active and retired Secret Service agents shared with Ronald Kessler, author of “First Family Detail,” a compelling look at the intrepid personnel who shield America’s presidents and their families — and those whom they guard.

Kessler writes flatteringly and critically about people in both parties. Regarding the Clintons, Kessler presents Chelsea as a model protectee who respected and appreciated her agents. He describes Bill as a difficult chief executive, but an easygoing ex-president. And Kessler exposes Hillary as an epically abusive Arctic monster.

“When in public, Hillary smiles and acts graciously,” Kessler explains. “As soon as the cameras are gone, her angry personality, nastiness, and imperiousness become evident.”

He adds: “Hillary Clinton can make Richard Nixon look like Mahatma Gandhi.”

The rest of the article with examples of her behavior:

http://nypost.com/2015/10/02/secret-service-agents-hillary-is-a-nightmare-to-work-with/

Who in their right mind would vote for such a monster?
 

Zorkorist

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Not I, never.

I was appalled when New York voted her as a congresswoman (likely a bribe from her husband.)

A worse piece of shit, would be hard to miss.

-John
 

shira

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Not I, never.

I was appalled when New York voted her as a congresswoman (likely a bribe from her husband.)

A worse piece of shit, would be hard to miss.

-John
Serious question. Really.

Do you post a lot while intoxicated?
 

shira

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The rest of the article with examples of her behavior:

http://nypost.com/2015/10/02/secret-service-agents-hillary-is-a-nightmare-to-work-with/

Who in their right mind would vote for such a monster?
Maybe what we need in this country is an "Arctic monster" who can kick some butt, and actually get something done.

But I must be wrong. Because - clearly - having a genuinely pleasant personality in private is a prerequisite for being an effective President. Just ask LBJ.
 

Nebor

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For fucks sake. Anyone remember when the Secret Service could keep secrets, and Navy SEALS didn't get book deals about secret operations?
 

shira

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Bought time "the help" spoke out.

-John
Interesting idea. So when "the help" at the SS violates confidentiality about Hilary, that's "about time." But when "the help" at the same agency violates confidentiality about a Republican Committee Chairmen, that's an outrageous breech of trust.

Lawmakers from both parties have said the efforts to embarrass Chaffetz are intolerable and have called on Clancy to punish those in his agency who were involved. One of Clancy’s hand-picked assistant directors, Edward Lowery, urged that the information about Chaffetz be made public, according to Roth’s report.
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“It wasn’t as if the director made any effort to squelch this at the time,” Chaffetz said. “He knew about it the day after the hearing. There’s no evidence that he did anything about it.”

Double-standards are kind of interesting, don't you think?
 

Zorkorist

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That's all Government bullshit...

I just see an ugly Hillary Clinton.

-John
 

shira

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That's all Government bullshit...

I just see an ugly Hillary Clinton.

-John
But you just told us that that "government bullshit" was "about time."

I guess you like some "government bullshit."
 

Zorkorist

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Nope. Maybe you are analyzing too deep, Shira.

It's easy to hate Hillary Clinton.

-John
 

DrDoug

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The rest of the article with examples of her behavior:

http://nypost.com/2015/10/02/secret-service-agents-hillary-is-a-nightmare-to-work-with/

Who in their right mind would vote for such a monster?

I always thought nasty and arrogant were valuable qualities conservatives have sought in would-be leaders. Or is that only when they are Republican candidates? Better question would be: Who in the fuck would be crazy enough to vote for any loonie that the Republicans put forward for President? Based on what conservatives are offering so far, barring being caught in bed with either a live girl or a dead boy (possibly even both), if Hillary is the Dem nominee then she has my vote. I'm not registered with any party in my state, I'm a small "i" independent. No party affiliation, I don't even get to vote in the primaries. When it comes to voting, I've always voted for the pile that smells the least.

Republicans stink like fuck. It will probably be a cold day in Hell before I ever vote for another one.
 

shira

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Nope. Maybe you are analyzing too deep, Shira.

It's easy to hate Hillary Clinton.

-John
I don't "hate" all that easily.

You think Carla Fiorina is wonderful? She criticized Hillary over the private email server, but then we find out the following from "the help" at HP:

My name is Charles Nielsen and I was an employee with HP from 1/2000 until 8/2001. I worked in the Boise, Idaho Data Center. I was the sole Customer Engineer allowed to work on Carly’s Private Server. It was kept under lock and key and I was the only engineer allowed to work on it under the direct supervision of the Data Center Manager; I was new to the company and was used as a dupe. In March of 2001, just before Carly Fiorina had taken control of HP from Walter Hewlett, I was asked to remove the 5 hard drives from her personal server and physically destroy them with a hammer. I asked why I would destroy hard drives that at the time were worth over $15k apiece and I was told because she said so. Shortly after destroying all evidence of her conspiracy to take over the company she removed Walter Hewlett from the board of directors and made off with approximately $500 million dollars from the company with the rest of the board of directors ($100 million for Carly personally). All of her emails and all working documents were destroyed. I have kept my silence until now when I find it highly offensive that after laying off close to 30k workers and sending stock prices into the gutter ( $55 a share when Fiorina took over to a little less than $20 a share under her leadership) she is pretending she would never behave like Hillary has. Carly Fiorina is as corrupt as they come.

Sounds like a lot worse than "F__ you."

What about Steve Jobs, may he rest in peace? He was very well known for his bad temper. But that didn't stop him from being a great leader.

Maybe you should get your priorities right. Maybe Hillary isn't a "nice person." But what I care about is whether she'd be an effective President. Evidence relevant to THAT question is what counts.
 

Zorkorist

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I always thought nasty and arrogant were valuable qualities conservatives have sought in would-be leaders. Or is that only when they are Republican candidates? Better question would be: Who in the fuck would be crazy enough to vote for any loonie that the Republicans put forward for President? Based on what conservatives are offering so far, barring being caught in bed with either a live girl or a dead boy (possibly even both), if Hillary is the Dem nominee then she has my vote. I'm not registered with any party in my state, I'm a small "i" independent. No party affiliation, I don't even get to vote in the primaries. When it comes to voting, I've always voted for the pile that smells the least.

Republicans stink like fuck. It will probably be a cold day in Hell before I ever vote for another one.
You will reap what you sow.

Stinky.

-John
 

Zorkorist

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I don't "hate" all that easily.

You think Carla Fiorina is wonderful? She criticized Hillary over the private email server, but then we find out the following from "the help" at HP:



Sounds like a lot worse than "F__ you."

What about Steve Jobs, may he rest in peace? He was very well known for his bad temper. But that didn't stop him from being a great leader.

Maybe you should get your priorities right. Maybe Hillary isn't a "nice person." But what I care about is whether she'd be an effective President. Evidence relevant to THAT question is what counts.
She'll be a hideous president! She's been secretary of state, during Benghazi, attack on an American embassy, etc.

-John
 
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Nope. Maybe you are analyzing too deep, Shira.

It's easy to hate Hillary Clinton.

-John

It's easy to hate someone that you don't actually know.

It's easy to read stuff in the media written by people you don't actually know who have known and unknown agendas and think that what they write tells you all that you need to know about someone that you don't actually know.

It's easy to hate someone that you don't actually know.
 

shira

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She'll be a hideous president! She's been secretary of state, during Benghazi, attack on an American embassy, etc.

-John
Benghazi? You mean that incident on which Republicans have launched SEVEN investigation, for a total cost that now exceeds over $20 million ($18 trillion national debt, godammit!) And haven't found a shred of evidence that Hillary did anything wrong? THAT "Benghazi?"

Maybe you should just stop posting. You would make a lot more sense.
 

Zorkorist

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It's easy to hate someone that you don't actually know.

It's easy to read stuff in the media written by people you don't actually know who have known and unknown agendas and think that what they write tells you all that you need to know about someone that you don't actually know.

It's easy to hate someone that you don't actually know.
I've followed Hillary Clinton since her husband was president (and impeached.) I could not know a politician better than her. She is literally toxic.

-John
 

madoka

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These stories sound like something out of a movie.

Kessler was an investigative reporter with the Wall Street Journal and Washington Post and has penned 19 other books. Among much more in “First Family Detail,” he reports:

 “Hillary was very rude to agents, and she didn’t appear to like law enforcement or the military,” former Secret Service agent Lloyd Bulman recalls. “She wouldn’t go over and meet military people or police officers, as most protectees do. She was just really rude to almost everybody. She’d act like she didn’t want you around, like you were beneath her.”

“Hillary didn’t like the military aides wearing their uniforms around the White House,” one former agent remembers. “She asked if they would wear business suits instead. The uniform’s a sign of pride, and they’re proud to wear their uniform. I know that the military was actually really offended by it.”

Former agent Jeff Crane says, “Hillary would cuss at Secret Service drivers for going over bumps.”

Another former member of her detail recollects, “Hillary never talked to us . . . Most all members of first families would talk to us and smile. She never did that.”

“We spent years with her,” yet another Secret Service agent notes. “She never said thank you.”

Within the White House, Hillary had a “standing rule that no one spoke to her when she was going from one location to another,” says former FBI agent Coy Copeland. “In fact, anyone who would see her coming would just step into the first available office.”

One former Secret Service agent states, “If Hillary was walking down a hall, you were supposed to hide behind drapes used as partitions.”

Hillary one day ran into a White House electrician who was changing a lightbulb in the upstairs family quarters. She screamed at him, because she had demanded that all repairs be performed while the Clintons were outside the Executive Mansion.

“She caught the guy on a ladder doing the lightbulb,” says Franette McCulloch, who served at that time as assistant White House pastry chef. “He was a basket case.”

White House usher Christopher B. Emery unwisely called back Barbara Bush after she phoned him for computer troubleshooting. Emery helped the former first lady twice. Consequently, Kessler reports, Hillary sacked him. The father of four stayed jobless for a year.

While running for US Senate, Hillary stopped at an upstate New York 4-H Club. As one Secret Service agent says, Hillary saw farmers and cows and then erupted. “She turned to a staffer and said, ‘What the f - - - did we come here for? There’s no money here.’ ”

Secret Service “agents consider being assigned to her detail a form of punishment,” Kessler concludes. “In fact, agents say being on Hillary Clinton’s detail is the worst duty assignment in the Secret Service.”

After studying the Secret Service and its relationships with dozens of presidents, vice-presidents and their families, Ronald Kessler’s astonishment at Hillary Clinton’s inhumanity should reverberate in every American’s head.

As he told me: “No one would hire such a person to work at a McDonald’s, and yet she is being considered for president of the United States.”
 

madoka

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It's easy to read stuff in the media written by people you don't actually know who have known and unknown agendas and think that what they write tells you all that you need to know about someone that you don't actually know.

The author is an investigative reporter for the Wall Street Journal. He's written 19 books and in this one, he had nice things to say about Bill Clinton and Chelsea Clinton.

It's easy to hate someone that you don't actually know.

I suppose no one here should ever hate on Hitler because maybe if we really knew him, he was an alright guy.
 

shira

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I've followed Hillary Clinton since her husband was president (and impeached.) I could not know a politician better than her. She is literally toxic.

-John
Since in your case the extent to which you can know anything is highly questionable, the fact that you know Hillary better than any other politician is like saying that 0.0000001 is larger than 0.000000000001.
 

madoka

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Maybe you should get your priorities right. Maybe Hillary isn't a "nice person." But what I care about is whether she'd be an effective President. Evidence relevant to THAT question is what counts.

Within three years of being elected, Hitler turned Germany's economy around and wiped out unemployment while the rest of the world suffered under the Great Depression. Would you vote for him too?
 

shira

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These stories sound like something out of a movie.
It's very difficult to know what any of these actually mean. For example. that guy who helped former First Lady Barbara Bush twice; are we supposed to conclude that Hillary fired him BECAUSE he helped Bush? Or might there be some independent reason for firing him?

That's the trouble with anecdotal stories like these. Many of the people who Hillary allegedly treated badly might have been incompetent, and Hillary may have a low tolerance level for stupid people. As I wrote earlier, Steve Jobs was similarly VERY impatient with less-than-perfect performance by his underlings, and somehow that isn't held against him.

Hillary haters are gonna hate. And if you're not a Hillary hater, these anecdotes don't mean much.
 

DrDoug

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These stories sound like something out of a movie.

Nice timing on the book... I notice that the quote is pretty much supposed to kill support for her from the military and law enforcement right before the election. I'm sure that someone with money thought this would be a great story to feed a new narrative right before the election primaries. Too bad it's a wasted effort as most law enforcement and military vote winger anyway, so their anger won't hurt her support much if at all. The only people who will eat this up already don't like (or really hate) her, so all I see it doing is sucking money out of the pockets of wingnuts to feed the writer and publisher.

This book makes a poor hatchet, the author should have bought a real one.

Within three years of being elected, Hitler turned Germany's economy around and wiped out unemployment while the rest of the world suffered under the Great Depression. Would you vote for him too?

You're not supposed to Godwin your own post.
 
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Zorkorist

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Within six months of being impeached, Bill Clinton's wife was elected by New Yorkers.

The world stood aghast.

-John
 

Zorkorist

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Nice timing on the book... I notice that the quote is pretty much supposed to kill support for her from the military and law enforcement right before the election. I'm sure that someone with money thought this would be a great story to feed a new narrative right before the election primaries. Too bad it's a wasted effort as most law enforcement and military vote winger anyway, so their anger won't hurt her support much if at all. The only people who will eat this up already don't like (or really hate) her, so all I see it doing is sucking money out of the pockets of wingnuts to feed the writer and publisher.

This book makes a poor hatchet, the author should have bought a real one.
The people that support Hilary are so fucked up, that facts blow right by them.

-John
 
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