The real immigration problem - VISA FRAUD

[Indus]

I am US citizen who married girl from overseas. My wife came to US 3 months back and after three months I m finding out she has a boyfriend who is here on H1B. She used me just to come to US. She says she will leave me, what can I do?

Last I checked walls do not stop spouse/ fiance/ h1b visas. So why is it people need to be violent, racist and xenophobic towards Americans who might not look pale vs stopping the actual problem?

Can anyone explain this? Or simply #Buildthewall just because?

BTW The reason I'm bringing this up is because It seems very strange to me how people that are happily married seem to have some difficulty proving a bonafide marriage...but in cases like this it is so easy for one party to "prove we had a bonafide marriage" and they get to stay here under the Violence against Women Act.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Please provide data that shows more people come here via illegal visas vs those who come over the border. It would help your argument.

She says she will leave me, what can I do?

Turn her into the INS, you had to prove you have them means to support her as part of your acquiring a immigration visa for her.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

The Wall(tm) won't stop all immigration. Therefore The Wall(tm) shouldn't stop any immigration.

Last I checked btw, Asians weren't white. Or are they considered "pale" now? Is that it; we, the whiteys, have accepted them into our clique, but we're still racist against Hispanics just because?

EDIT: Actually, apparently Indians make up the majority of H1B holders (Table 4A). Are they white too?

 

[Fern]

Last I checked walls do not stop spouse/ fiance/ h1b visas. So why is it people need to be violent, racist and xenophobic towards Americans who might not look pale vs stopping the actual problem?

Can anyone explain this? Or simply #Buildthewall just because?

BTW The reason I'm bringing this up is because It seems very strange to me how people that are happily married seem to have some difficulty proving a bonafide marriage...but in cases like this it is so easy for one party to "prove we had a bonafide marriage" and they get to stay here under the Violence against Women Act.

This is stupid: Don't build a fence because it won't stop visa fraud. And that would imply you don't do anything about visa fraud because it won't stop illegals coming over the border.

You do both.

At least with the visa problems we know who they are and that they've been screened (one can hope) etc.

Fern

 

[ivwshane]

This is stupid: Don't build a fence because it won't stop visa fraud. And that would imply you don't do anything about visa fraud because it won't stop illegals coming over the border.

You do both.

At least with the visa problems we know who they are and that they've been screened (one can hope) etc.

Fern

Now apply that very rational reasoning to gun control laws and see how honest you can be.

 

[Indus]

Please provide data that shows more people come here via illegal visas vs those who come over the border. It would help your argument.

Many immigrants who are in the United States illegally never jumped a fence, hiked through the desert or paid anyone to help them sneak into the country. According to a recent study, 45 percent of illegal immigrants came here on a legal visa, and then overstayed that visa.

Turn her into the INS, you had to prove you have them means to support her as part of your acquiring a immigration visa for her.

Maybe you're oblivious to this but there is no INS anymore and hasn't been for over 13 years now. That said once someone is in the United States it's almost impossible to deport them unless they commit a felony.

If you think I'm kidding look up visajourney forums and listen to the horror stories. I'm sorta sick to my stomach that I have to do things by the book for my spouse and jump through so many hoops and have couple of binders full of documentation to show a legitimate marriage to my spouse after DOMA allowed us to be together legally as compared to these visa scam artists.

At least with the visa problems we know who they are and that they've been screened (one can hope) etc.

Fern

Hoping for the best worked out great in San Bernadino didn't it. :\

The Wall(tm) won't stop all immigration. Therefore The Wall(tm) shouldn't stop any immigration.

Last I checked btw, Asians weren't white. Or are they considered "pale" now? Is that it; we, the whiteys, have accepted them into our clique, but we're still racist against Hispanics just because?

EDIT: Actually, apparently Indians make up the majority of H1B holders (Table 4A). Are they white too?

Filipinos are the highest immigration visa fraudsters at the moment via marriage visas. Then you just go down the list.. will be hard to find a nationality that's totally innocent.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

So Filipinos are white now?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Maybe you're oblivious to this but there is no INS anymore and hasn't been for over 13 years now. That said once someone is in the United States it's almost impossible to deport them unless they commit a felony.

If you think I'm kidding look up visajourney forums and listen to the horror stories. I'm sorta sick to my stomach that I have to do things by the book for my spouse and jump through so many hoops and have couple of binders full of documentation to show a legitimate marriage to my spouse after DOMA allowed us to be together legally as compared to these visa scam artists.

I'm sure I have more experience than you when it comes to dealing with the Immigration department. I sponsored my wife/step daughter immigration visas and co-sponsored my step-grandson immigration visa. I know all the hoops that have to be jumped through as well as the spot checks that can occur within the first couple of years after they come to the states/have their resident permanent alien cards (green card).

 

[PokerGuy]

OP: The real immigration problem - visa fraud.

Can you explain why the source of roughly 40% of illegal immigration is "the real problem", while the source of the other 60% of it is not?

Also, why do you think an effective border has to be mutually exclusive with other efforts to better track people on temporary visas etc?

 

[quikah]

BTW The reason I'm bringing this up is because It seems very strange to me how people that are happily married seem to have some difficulty proving a bonafide marriage...but in cases like this it is so easy for one party to "prove we had a bonafide marriage" and they get to stay here under the Violence against Women Act.

Who said it was easy? Who said it was hard? There is only so much that the authorities can do given limited resources. The OP story might have had to go through several interviews to get to that point. Or he might have just had to bring some pictures and not have any suspicious actions.

If that story is correct then he needs to get a lawyer, the immigrant would lose their greencard (it is conditional for the first 2 yrs) unless she can prove some extenuating circumstances (such as abuse).

 

[flexy]

What is this "immigration problem"?

The "immigration problem" is the problem that immigrants are perceived as (and at a certain level even justified) as "taking away jobs from Americans" or being a burden on the US welfare system.

Why is that so?

The US always has been and still is an "immigration country". It's a large number of diverse cultures/races which somehow manage to live together, on a scale unlike in any other nation.

It has become a problem not because Immigration exists but because jobs have become scarce in the US due to offshoring, outsourcing, companies saving money by hiring the cheapest workers etc.

In other words: The "Immigration problem" is not actually the problem per se, it's the result of something else.

And because of that any ideas like "build the wall" etc. are fucking stupid and little effective since the "Immigration problem" would vanish on its own if the job market/economy would be healed.

And focusing on the immigrants rather than on THE ACTUAL PROBLEM is stupid as well, the problem is a lack of jobs and why companies are not hiring US people any more.

** Problem: "The Elite" are the ones who did the moving of jobs and manufacturing to China or India. For "the Elite" it is convenient and good if the blame goes towards "the Immigrants". The Elite has an interest to keep the idea of the "Immigration problem" alive because it distracts from the actual problem. This is why Rightwinger politicians are so focused on Immigrants and make it the #1 issue.

*** Problem 2: People ARE actually so stupid to fall for this. They would demonstrate a van with 20 immigrants inside while around the corner is a company that just moved their entire manufacturing to China. Except no-one is demonstrating there. Working as intended.

 

[cubby1223]

** Problem: "The Elite" are the ones who did the moving of jobs and manufacturing to China or India. For "the Elite" it is convenient and good if the blame goes towards "the Immigrants". The Elite has an interest to keep the idea of the "Immigration problem" alive because it distracts from the actual problem. This is why Rightwinger politicians are so focused on Immigrants and make it the #1 issue.

Ain't so easy to simple blame "the elite" for all your problems. Look around. You, your neighbors, your progressive friends, are ever-so-eager to buy those foreign manufactured goods and save themselves a few dollars. That's the other reason jobs moved overseas. You are not interested in paying the cost of American living wages at the cash register.

 

[cubby1223]

Now apply that very rational reasoning to gun control laws and see how honest you can be.

I'd like to see you make the equivalent argument and see how honest you can be doing so.

To be equivalent to gun laws, the illegal immigration problem would be solved by making it more difficult for law-abiding immigrants to enter legally. That's not what's happening.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I assume ivwshane probably supports a handgun registry. Let's apply that very rational reasoning and build a national database of brown people and see how honest he can be.

 

[ivwshane]

I'd like to see you make the equivalent argument and see how honest you can be doing so.

To be equivalent to gun laws, the illegal immigration problem would be solved by making it more difficult for law-abiding immigrants to enter legally. That's not what's happening.

What? I already did.

 

[ivwshane]

I assume ivwshane probably supports a handgun registry. Let's apply that very rational reasoning and build a national database of brown people and see how honest he can be.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Do you believe handguns should be registered? Maybe I'm mistaken and you don't.

 

[nickbits]

A newly married couple has to apply for a non-conditional greencard at 2 years. If they are divorced and it is found that the marriage was not entered into in good faith, it will be denied.

 

[shortylickens]

 

[Svnla]

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*** Problem 2: People ARE actually so stupid to fall for this. They would demonstrate a van with 20 immigrants inside while around the corner is a company that just moved their entire manufacturing to China. Except no-one is demonstrating there. Working as intended.

You "forgot" to mention these type of "undocumented" immigrants = http://www.wfaa.com/news/affidavit-suspect-in-fatal-wylie-crash-was-fatigued-or-asleep/135303918


And don't forget those friendly neighborhood members of MS-13, Latin Kings, et al.

Instead of picking the smart ones such as Elon Musk, Andy Groove and such, let hordes and hordes of illiterate peasants in instead to compete with our own poor with leftover low skill/low paying jobs. People are so stupid indeed.

 

[flexy]

A newly married couple has to apply for a non-conditional greencard at 2 years. If they are divorced and it is found that the marriage was not entered into in good faith, it will be denied.

I remember from my process (BEFORE 9/11 even where one can assume that the process was likely easier) we had several dates at the INS in Chicago. We had to provide things like wedding photo albums and I remember at least ONE appointment where we were both interviewed separately, the judge asked some generic questions such as where and how we met etc..etc.

That being said, while fraudulent immigration based on pseudo marriages sure exists I don't THINK it happens on a massive scale. I also have reason to believe that a white, pale, nerdy and bald German doesn't necessarily satisfy the stereotype of someone who wants into the US based on a fake marriage But I can be wrong.

Even back then, the immigration process (even the "easiest" of them, based on marriage) was expensive and a total pain in the ass.

 

[michal1980]

What is this "immigration problem"?

The "immigration problem" is the problem that immigrants are perceived as (and at a certain level even justified) as "taking away jobs from Americans" or being a burden on the US welfare system.

Why is that so?

The US always has been and still is an "immigration country". It's a large number of diverse cultures/races which somehow manage to live together, on a scale unlike in any other nation.

It has become a problem not because Immigration exists but because jobs have become scarce in the US due to offshoring, outsourcing, companies saving money by hiring the cheapest workers etc.

In other words: The "Immigration problem" is not actually the problem per se, it's the result of something else.

And because of that any ideas like "build the wall" etc. are fucking stupid and little effective since the "Immigration problem" would vanish on its own if the job market/economy would be healed.

And focusing on the immigrants rather than on THE ACTUAL PROBLEM is stupid as well, the problem is a lack of jobs and why companies are not hiring US people any more.

** Problem: "The Elite" are the ones who did the moving of jobs and manufacturing to China or India. For "the Elite" it is convenient and good if the blame goes towards "the Immigrants". The Elite has an interest to keep the idea of the "Immigration problem" alive because it distracts from the actual problem. This is why Rightwinger politicians are so focused on Immigrants and make it the #1 issue.

*** Problem 2: People ARE actually so stupid to fall for this. They would demonstrate a van with 20 immigrants inside while around the corner is a company that just moved their entire manufacturing to China. Except no-one is demonstrating there. Working as intended.

If one of the problems is a lack of jobs, how is having more people going to help that problem?

 

[ivwshane]

Do you believe handguns should be registered? Maybe I'm mistaken and you don't.

I could give you my gut answer but it's not based on anything so it could be easily changed based on actual data and studies.

I believe guns should be treated like cars, registered and requiring training and regulated just like everything else in this country. We've greatly reduced the amount of people who die or get hurt from cars via safety standards/requirements and I don't see why we can't do the same with guns.

 

[Indus]

If one of the problems is a lack of jobs, how is having more people going to help that problem?

One thing people tend to forget is that immigrants need food and housing and transportation and clothes and heat.

So they have to spend money to just exist and that creates jobs for those who sell exotic food, renters, bus drivers, department stores and oil workers.

It's quite easy to notice the impact that immigrants can have on a community if it's a small/ dying town like Utica New York where after jobs went overseas the town lost half it's population but it's now rebounded. In fact it was on PBS recently:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/how-...-a-revival-strategy-for-this-struggling-town/

But ofcourse we're getting away from Visa Fraud which was the topic.

 

[Indus]

There's currently 400,000 Americans staying illegally in Thailand..

They recently passed this measure:

And there's a $700 fine with deportation. Notice how a fine isn't racist?