The Real Reason Cities Lean Democratic

Athena

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Emily Badger at The Atlantic:
But in modern America, the men with the most land no longer wield the most power. In fact, this election appears to have been decided by those of us who live the most tightly packed together.
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As the Republican Party has moved further to the right, it has increasingly become the party of fierce individualism, of "I built that" and you take care of yourself. Cities, on the other hand, are fundamentally about the shared commons. If you live in a city and you think government – and other people – should stay out of your life, how will you get to work in the morning? Who will police your neighborhood? Where will you find a public park when your building has no back yard?

Lots of food for thought (for the thoughtful) and links to other articles that expand upon the points.
 

Nemesis 1

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No thats not the reason Big cities have gone dem . The reason is greed and selfish these big cities all have large poor populations the reason cities go dem. Is to use other cities monies rather than to take care of its own . Than the cities start looking to the states and After the poor have gone threw their states money . Than these big population states steal other states money . When I was a child our whole school system was state and city run . NO gooberment our house taxes were for Schools a our car linceses were for road repair . Than the gooberment federal jumped in and destroyed it all for 10 horriable states. That have brought us to extinction
 

Phokus

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No thats not the reason Big cities have gone dem . The reason is greed and selfish these big cities all have large poor populations the reason cities go dem. Is to use other cities monies rather than to take care of its own . Than the cities start looking to the states and After the poor have gone threw their states money . Than these big population states steal other states money . When I was a child our whole school system was state and city run . NO gooberment our house taxes were for Schools a our car linceses were for road repair . Than the gooberment federal jumped in and destroyed it all for 10 horriable states. That have brought us to extinction

The hilarious part of your inane rambling is that rural red states take in more tax money than they pay out compared to blue states and guess which type of states typically have the biggest cities and which states have more rural populations?
 

nehalem256

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No thats not the reason Big cities have gone dem . The reason is greed and selfish these big cities all have large poor populations the reason cities go dem. Is to use other cities monies rather than to take care of its own . Than the cities start looking to the states and After the poor have gone threw their states money . Than these big population states steal other states money . When I was a child our whole school system was state and city run . NO gooberment our house taxes were for Schools a our car linceses were for road repair . Than the gooberment federal jumped in and destroyed it all for 10 horriable states. That have brought us to extinction

Also large minority populations.

Occam's Razor strikes again.
 

nehalem256

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The hilarious part of your inane rambling is that rural red states take in more tax money than they pay out compared to blue states and guess which type of states typically have the biggest cities and which states have more rural populations?

I think the hilarious part of your inane rambling is that by your logic a blue state is responsible for the financial melt down of 2008.

Maybe if blue states were not crashing the economy red states wouldn't need so much federal tax money?
 

Juror No. 8

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But in modern America, the men with the most land no longer wield the most power. In fact, this election appears to have been decided by those of us who live the most tightly packed together.

LOL. This is good propaganda. "The men with the most land no longer wield power the most power".

The men with the most land are also the kind of men who own and control the media, and the media is the only reason people like you support Barack Obama. Obama has been craftily marketed to you as a savior of the poor and downtrodden by the very same wealthy landowners you think have no power. They basically dictated their choice for president to you and made you think it was your choice. It wasn't your choice. Almost all the information you had to go on with regard to Obama, and the public perception of his image, was filtered to you through the controlled, corporate media.

You've been bamboozled, pal, just like most of America has. But it's not your fault. You've been trained to let the TV do your thinking for you.
 

Phokus

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I think the hilarious part of your inane rambling is that by your logic a blue state is responsible for the financial melt down of 2008.

Maybe if blue states were not crashing the economy red states wouldn't need so much federal tax money?

Red states are/were worth negative pre and post 2008. Maybe you idiots should pull yourselves up from your bootstraps and stop sucking at the federal teet so much.
 

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Ya I know this . But thats a red herring . Were are the majority of the poor ? In 10 states is were . SD doesn't have a large population . I figure thats the next big step for dems . Taxing on the federal level differant rates for differant states . I could careless if the federal interstate goes threw our state . Leave us out . But than tax us accordingly . Your doing nothing more than playing a % game . MN does not NEED the US goobermment for anything,
 

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Munky

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Nope, just more nonsense spewing from an irrational "what's mine is mine and what's yours is ours" lefty loon. I live in a city, and I sure as hell don't intend to hold hands in a circle and sing kumbaya while the deadbeats take my money.

"How will you get to work in the morning?" - by paying for public transportation or driving in a car that I bought via roads paid for by my tax money.

"Who will police your neighborhood?" - the cops whose salary comes from my taxes.

"Where will you find a public park when your building has no back yard?" - where the local government decides to spend my tax money to build one.

I get the impression the author is yet another ignorant feminist yuppie who never had to manage her own finances or pay her own taxes, and thus thinks all the city services and infrastructure are created by some magic fairy or the local charity.
 

shadow9d9

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LOL. This is good propaganda. "The men with the most land no longer wield power the most power".

The men with the most land are also the kind of men who own and control the media, and the media is the only reason people like you support Barack Obama. Obama has been craftily marketed to you as a savior of the poor and downtrodden by the very same wealthy landowners you think have no power. They basically dictated their choice for president to you and made you think it was your choice. It wasn't your choice. Almost all the information you had to go on with regard to Obama, and the public perception of his image, was filtered to you through the controlled, corporate media.

You've been bamboozled, pal, just like most of America has. But it's not your fault. You've been trained to let the TV do your thinking for you.

Except for the fact that the media was more negative overall compared to Obama by far compared to Romney...
 

shadow9d9

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Nope, just more nonsense spewing from an irrational "what's mine is mine and what's yours is ours" lefty loon. I live in a city, and I sure as hell don't intend to hold hands in a circle and sing kumbaya while the deadbeats take my money.

"How will you get to work in the morning?" - by paying for public transportation or driving in a car that I bought via roads paid for by my tax money.

"Who will police your neighborhood?" - the cops whose salary comes from my taxes.

"Where will you find a public park when your building has no back yard?" - where the local government decides to spend my tax money to build one.

I get the impression the author is yet another ignorant feminist yuppie who never had to manage her own finances or pay her own taxes, and thus thinks all the city services and infrastructure are created by some magic fairy or the local charity.

Except there is no "left" in the US... just the moderate/right demos and the off the cliff right republicans.

I get the impression that you are a bigot.
 

Zstream

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Except there is no "left" in the US... just the moderate/right demos and the off the cliff right republicans.

I get the impression that you are a bigot.

Really? Calling someone a bigot is all you have?
 

Juror No. 8

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Except for the fact that the media was more negative overall compared to Obama by far compared to Romney...

You don't get it. Both candidates were puppets. The media markets both the Republican and Democrat presidential candidates in any election very close to equally, because the ruling oligarchs really don't care which one the public picks. Both were preselected to carry out the agenda of the wealthy elites. They can't lose either way. Both guys are "their guy". It's fixed.

Imagine if one company owned both the Coke and Pepsi brands. They wouldn't just market one or the other, they'd market both, and let you believe there is a "cola war". They wouldn't care which of their brands you buy, as long as you buy one of them and believe there is a legitimate competition. They profit either way.

This idea that the old, wealthy landowners of yesteryear lost their power is absurd though. If anything, they parlayed their land ownership into huge corporate empires and now control everything, even the political process. He who owns the media controls the politics of a nation, and it isn't the politicians who own the media. This is all basic common sense.
 

Munky

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Except there is no "left" in the US... just the moderate/right demos and the off the cliff right republicans.

I get the impression that you are a bigot.

Just because the dems here are not as hardcore left as the insane EU bureaucrats doesn't make them moderate. If you support privatizing benefits but socializing costs, then you are not a moderate by any stretch of imagination.

And "bigot" is a favorite shaming brain fart of leftists who don't have a logical rebuttal.
 
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LOL. This is good propaganda. "The men with the most land no longer wield power the most power".

The men with the most land are also the kind of men who own and control the media, and the media is the only reason people like you support Barack Obama. Obama has been craftily marketed to you as a savior of the poor and downtrodden by the very same wealthy landowners you think have no power. They basically dictated their choice for president to you and made you think it was your choice. It wasn't your choice. Almost all the information you had to go on with regard to Obama, and the public perception of his image, was filtered to you through the controlled, corporate media.

You've been bamboozled, pal, just like most of America has. But it's not your fault. You've been trained to let the TV do your thinking for you.

Oh the irony is stong in this one.
 

ShawnD1

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Nope, just more nonsense spewing from an irrational "what's mine is mine and what's yours is ours" lefty loon. I live in a city, and I sure as hell don't intend to hold hands in a circle and sing kumbaya while the deadbeats take my money.

"How will you get to work in the morning?" - by paying for public transportation or driving in a car that I bought via roads paid for by my tax money.

"Who will police your neighborhood?" - the cops whose salary comes from my taxes.
So you're admitting that you're a socialist? Why don't you build your own damn roads and hire private security?
 

Munky

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So you're admitting that you're a socialist? Why don't you build your own damn roads and hire private security?

In what universe does paying taxes = socialist? Last I checked, it wasn't my choice to pay them or not.
 

HamburgerBoy

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So you're admitting that you're a socialist? Why don't you build your own damn roads and hire private security?

I think his point is that he knows who pays for his police and streets (himself). The op's story implies that it's some kind of kumbaya spirit of collective harmony that makes people vote Democrat. I think that's silly tbh and that almost everyone votes in their self-interest. In the cities that means poor city folk voting for the people that provide them public transportation and food stamps, and in rural towns that means rural town folk enjoying their farming subsidies and food stamps. Never underestimate the power of the 47%.

Besides, Maricopa County went red despite being home to Phoenix, one of our largest cities and with minorities-o-plenty to boot (both reasons which should have made them go hard blue according to those certain of the GOP's imminent death). Not that I'm arguing that there's isn't a correlation between population density and D-voting, but there are plenty of factors involved.
 

ShawnD1

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In what universe does paying taxes = socialist? Last I checked, it wasn't my choice to pay them or not.
Please tell me you're joking.

YOU CHOSE TO LIVE IN A CITY. If you don't like it, get out. Lots of people working in the city don't live in the city. By staying in the city, you are choosing to be part of a socialist system.
 

Ausm

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No thats not the reason Big cities have gone dem . The reason is greed and selfish these big cities all have large poor populations the reason cities go dem. Is to use other cities monies rather than to take care of its own . Than the cities start looking to the states and After the poor have gone threw their states money . Than these big population states steal other states money . When I was a child our whole school system was state and city run . NO gooberment our house taxes were for Schools a our car linceses were for road repair . Than the gooberment federal jumped in and destroyed it all for 10 horriable states. That have brought us to extinction

You picked a bad time to start huff'in paint bro....
 

HamburgerBoy

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Please tell me you're joking.

YOU CHOSE TO LIVE IN A CITY. If you don't like it, get out. Lots of people working in the city don't live in the city. By staying in the city, you are choosing to be part of a socialist system.

By living in the USA one "chooses" to live in a "socialist" system, city or not.
 

Munky

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Please tell me you're joking.

YOU CHOSE TO LIVE IN A CITY. If you don't like it, get out. Lots of people working in the city don't live in the city. By staying in the city, you are choosing to be part of a socialist system.

I still get taxed at the state and federal level based on my income, whether or not I live in the city. Moving out of a city will not relieve me of paying taxes.
 

Juror No. 8

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By living in the USA one "chooses" to live in a "socialist" system, city or not.

That's like saying a woman "chooses" to be raped by walking down a dark alley, or a person "chooses" to be extorted by living in a Mafia-controlled neighborhood.

Logic fail!
 
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