The reason Intel is not producing hot chips anymore

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Bubbleawsome

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Oh, just to add to that, the people in charge of stuff have the computers outputting in DVI transfer it to VGA, then to the monitor. The monitors have DVI... They are also a funky 1600x900. The computers run some sort of descreet Radeon, might be 7730 or 5450? Also a new i3, faster than my computer loading wise, but less otherwise. Fairly powerful.
 

Stone Rain

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Everyone in this thread is defending the desktop as a stanchion of gaming. While that's true, there's a far more important user base for the desktop: professionals.

Even though the desktop is waning, there are several usage areas where it won't ever go away.

First example, I do web design/coding/other assorted IT related tasks. Doing my work on a laptop is hilariously inefficient and uncomfortable.

Creative professionals. A photo editor, or a video editor isn't going to switch to a laptop/powerful tablet just because consumers are. There's a reason 1440p displays are becoming mainstream, and its' not just gamers who are bringing it about. A powerful desktop is essential for the workflow of a lot of people.

System administrators, support personal, in general anyone involved in IT at the enterprise level is going to want a desktop; a fast one, with several monitors. Anything less than that is a waste of the employees' time. Also, from a business standpoint, laptops make zero sense, except as secondary devices, or as equipment for mobile workers. For workers who are in-office from 9 to 5, a desktop is cheaper to maintain, easier to upgrade and repair, and more reliable and powerful than a laptop is. That's just good economics, right there.

So while the desktop in the consumer side may be dropping off, on the gaming/business/professional side? No chance. I'm not giving up a mouse, keyboard, and multiple monitors just because the industry journalists want everyone to believe the PC is dying. Is the PC receding? Yes. Is it going to die? Oh hell no.
 

cbn

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I know that you are being facetious, but if I'm so wrong, then why can't I unload the two Lenovo desktop PCs that I got for a song, brand-new? Nobody's buying desktops anymore, sorry to say. Unless they're just clueless, which is what I guess I am too, holding on to my desktops. I'm outdated. I'm a dinosaur. When someone needs a device to access the internet, I think of a desktop PC. But nobody else thinks that way, because they didn't grow up with the PC. Kids these days, want tablets. And if they're into "serious" gaming, they'll get a laptop. They don't even consider desktops these days.

Those desktops didn't happen to be H520s or H530s?

(I've seen those pretty cheap, well under $300 with a 3Ghz Pentium processor, 4GB RAM and 1TB drive. They also have at least one extra SATA port according to online Lenovo documentation, unlike other SFF desktops like the Dell Inspiron 660s)

So maybe add another hard drive (or two if the optical drive is removed and a 5.25" to dual 3.5" adapter used).

To me that is the big advantage of the desktop over the laptop, storage capacity. That and the ability to add in a video card. (That Lenovo H520s and H530s will take a dual slot low profile graphics card.)
 
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Torn Mind

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Everyone in this thread is defending the desktop as a stanchion of gaming. While that's true, there's a far more important user base for the desktop: professionals.

Even though the desktop is waning, there are several usage areas where it won't ever go away.

First example, I do web design/coding/other assorted IT related tasks. Doing my work on a laptop is hilariously inefficient and uncomfortable.

Creative professionals. A photo editor, or a video editor isn't going to switch to a laptop/powerful tablet just because consumers are. There's a reason 1440p displays are becoming mainstream, and its' not just gamers who are bringing it about. A powerful desktop is essential for the workflow of a lot of people.

System administrators, support personal, in general anyone involved in IT at the enterprise level is going to want a desktop; a fast one, with several monitors. Anything less than that is a waste of the employees' time. Also, from a business standpoint, laptops make zero sense, except as secondary devices, or as equipment for mobile workers. For workers who are in-office from 9 to 5, a desktop is cheaper to maintain, easier to upgrade and repair, and more reliable and powerful than a laptop is. That's just good economics, right there.

So while the desktop in the consumer side may be dropping off, on the gaming/business/professional side? No chance. I'm not giving up a mouse, keyboard, and multiple monitors just because the industry journalists want everyone to believe the PC is dying. Is the PC receding? Yes. Is it going to die? Oh hell no.
I pointed out the basic point out earlier, but not with as much detail or elegance, so it was not everyone.
 

dastral

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The Desktop as we knew it is dead and buried.
In 5 years it will be for the 1% : Anandtech users.

The Personal Computer is alive and well, just evolving into a smaller and lighter/smaller form factor...
Anyone here remember the IBM AT/XT transportable?
Well ot was replaced by the CRT Mac, then the LCD Mac.
The next step of evolution is already here : ipad + widi.

I have a samsung galaxy tab 7 (the first one), if it had a C2D inside and a docking station i would not need a computer anymore.
24" lcd ? Check, WD external hdd ? Check, keyboard + mouse ? Check
Runs league of legends ? Check, Runs Chrome+open office ? Check

Thats the future... All in one device...
Asus is already trying to get there : Transformer, PadPhone...

And with arm/atom getting close to C2D performance...
 

ehume

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Bah! If I can't build it myself it's no fun. Give me a box I can build!
 

alan1476

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I am 71 years old and have built my own rigs for the last 20 years, I am retired and wont have anything else to do.
 

nurturedhate

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http://www.edge.org/response-detail/10835
Article from 2002 asking "Is the PC desktop really dead?"

I remember hearing this before then but can't find a whole lot. Want to know something funny? One of the oldest pieces of written language we have ever found was about how written language would lead to the end of the spoken word. We humans like to proclaim that the new killed the old and that the old was better all at the same time. Get off my lawn and such.
 

shady28

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Yeah a 5 year gap a decade ago was a bigger leap for sure:

A decade ago:
Early athlons & P4's in the ghz range
vs
Pentium II 450mhz

Huge difference, PII became hopeless pretty quickly, forget the latest games!

Today:
4770k & FX8350
vs
i7 920 & Phenom II X6

Not so huge... That 920 and X6 will be useful for many years to come, they will run the latest games reasonably well.

True and even in the early 2000s things had slowed down.

From 1989-2000 we went from a 20Mhz 486DX (no FPU) to a 1.5Ghz P4.

Then in the next 13 years we go from 1.5Ghz P4 to i7-4770 3.5Ghz.

The change in pace of development between those is just massive.
 

Homeles

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Why do people keep saying that? For all the hoopty-poop everyone cheerleads about tablets, Intel sells a crushing number of desktop CPU's.
People confuse dead with dying. Moore's Law, for instance, isn't dead. It's just in a coma right now, at least for everyone but Intel, and maybe Samsung and TSMC.

The PC's not dead, but things are headed that way.
 

R0H1T

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Well Bill Gates was right when he said in 99 that connectivity is king in the "PC Plus" era & I'm sure the likes of Intel, AMD, Nvidia can attest to that, likewise the results from Google, Apple, Samsung shows that internet connectivity(on mobile devices) trumps any other feature or performance advantage that traditional PC's have had over the years!
 

dastral

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Why do people keep saying that? For all the hoopty-poop everyone cheerleads about tablets, Intel sells a crushing number of desktop CPU's.

Because outside of the enterprise area (which will keep desktops for servicability and updgradability) there is zero reason to buy a desktop unless you are the 1%.

Now i'm not saying the PC is dead, because it's alive and kicking.
PCs now come in very thin for factors (tablet) or Media/Game Boxes (consoles) or Doitall (laptops).

It's the "tower+monitor" that's dead, dont let the sales numbers (which includes Pros) fool you.
 

NTMBK

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Because outside of the enterprise area (which will keep desktops for servicability and updgradability) there is zero reason to buy a desktop unless you are the 1%.

Now i'm not saying the PC is dead, because it's alive and kicking.
PCs now come in very thin for factors (tablet) or Media/Game Boxes (consoles) or Doitall (laptops).

It's the "tower+monitor" that's dead, dont let the sales numbers (which includes Pros) fool you.

My parents bought a new tower to go with their desktop monitor just last year. They also bought a monitor, keyboard and mouse to connect to the laptop that they already had.

If you want to actually sit down and get work done, a PC on a desk is just more practical.
 

shady28

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My parents bought a new tower to go with their desktop monitor just last year. They also bought a monitor, keyboard and mouse to connect to the laptop that they already had.

If you want to actually sit down and get work done, a PC on a desk is just more practical.

And why wouldn't you be able to use a laptop at the desk with the old keyboard / monitor? Even the newer Bay Trail tablets can be used as a reasonable desktop for mundane purposes.

The only ones who really need a full on desktop are gamers and certain niche professionals, which is why its a part of the PC industry that's dying. It no longer has mass appeal.
 

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I just spoke to a friend of mine yesterday about this issue, and I'm kind of open mined in a way, in that I think that some people do not need a desktop, and should have a laptop or even a tablet. And he's always had laptops since forever.

And went "I don't think a laptop is really that beneficial. I don't mind sitting at a desk to use a desktop, it's better for your health and your purse."

And I was in awe... But this is just one story. Of course. Anecdotal. But it's not the first time I've seen people who have gone with laptops for a long while and came back to the desktop because...

Well, but it's better.

And why wouldn't you be able to use a laptop at the desk with the old keyboard / monitor? Even the newer Bay Trail tablets can be used as a reasonable desktop for mundane purposes.

The only ones who really need a full on desktop are gamers and certain niche professionals, which is why its a part of the PC industry that's dying. It no longer has mass appeal.
You've got it backwards. The desktop is the baseline. You don't need a desktop because of some reason, you need a laptop or a tablet because of some reason.

Or, to put it in other words, I might argue the opposite: the only people who need laptops are salespersons and travelers who need a computer for their work. Everyone else uses their PC just at home and at their desk.
 

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having recently become an owner on an XPS 18 portable all in one desktop...I have to say the desktop isn't going to die, but it's definitely going to resemble something different than the typical tower setups we're used to.

I still have my gaming setup, but downstairs we have this portable all in one and I can definitely see it's appeal. If I want to be productive I just move it over to the desk where the bluetooth keyboard/mouse is. Tada, instant desktop. If I want to be a little more casual I can bring it to the couch, or kitchen table, as it's got a few different easel modes. I can definitely see something like this gaining traction to the point it's the standard form factor for 'desktop' systems, as long as you aren't talking about enthusiast/gaming.
 

Arkaign

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I just spoke to a friend of mine yesterday about this issue, and I'm kind of open mined in a way, in that I think that some people do not need a desktop, and should have a laptop or even a tablet. And he's always had laptops since forever.

And went "I don't think a laptop is really that beneficial. I don't mind sitting at a desk to use a desktop, it's better for your health and your purse."

And I was in awe... But this is just one story. Of course. Anecdotal. But it's not the first time I've seen people who have gone with laptops for a long while and came back to the desktop because...

Well, but it's better.


You've got it backwards. The desktop is the baseline. You don't need a desktop because of some reason, you need a laptop or a tablet because of some reason.

Or, to put it in other words, I might argue the opposite: the only people who need laptops are salespersons and travelers who need a computer for their work. Everyone else uses their PC just at home and at their desk.

Yeap. If you need mobile, get a mobile, if you don't, well it's a waste of good money (and for a company, it adds to theft risk as well!).





So, for someone not needing a portable, you simply get a better deal skipping the laptop. If you need it you need it, but if you don't, meh. Even though this example has an i5 for the desktop vs. an i7 for the laptop, the clock speed on the i5 means it will be faster regardless (you can't run the laptop at full turbo for too long before it gets hot/loud and slows down again).

Some people like to use laptops on the couch, I sort of prefer phone/tablet for that though.
 

BonzaiDuck

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I thought I'd "throw in" to this thread. I'm probably at a crossroads for a delayed purchasing plan, myself. I might even have "invented" a laptop predecessor around 1984. But I never bought one.

I'm retired now. I plan a circuit of trips to the grocery store -- gasoline had been above $4/gal. Some six to eight years ago, I wired our whole house with gigabit-Ethernet cable-drops in rooms upstairs and downstairs. I had turned off the wireless feature for our internet router.

So while I wait for a tenant to occupy my rental-property (an interruption in income for the moment), I've been eyeing options for the last year or so. Laptop? Ultra-book? Windows-Surface? I-pad? Tablet?

Saw a commercial the other day for an HP tablet-hybrid -- running Win 8. The only benefits I see from my desk (and desktop) will be the ability to watch TV on the patio, communicate with home during shopping trips, and a few other minor-mobile benefits.

Mobile devices have their niche. Mobile computers (laptops, hybrids and tablets) have a niche. But the performance of these devices is understandably below desktop pretensions. What do you need? What do you want? There are electric cars now being sold; there are some attempts to promote a hydrogen fuel-cell. I'm driving a 1995 SUV 15mi/gal Isuzu with 175K miles on the odometer. No "GPS." Mechanic says engine is great. Even with lots of money, I think I'd be stupid for conforming to status pressure. We have another car -- an '83 Toyota Corolla -- also -- tip-top.

I have to ask myself whether or not I "need" a mobile device besides my cell-phone (which is already 4 years old.)

Now . . . this 2600K Sandy Bridge still has a lot going for it, and I built it in July, 2011 . . .
 

Pheesh

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Even though the desktop is waning, there are several usage areas where it won't ever go away.

First example, I do web design/coding/other assorted IT related tasks. Doing my work on a laptop is hilariously inefficient and uncomfortable.

Creative professionals. A photo editor, or a video editor isn't going to switch to a laptop/powerful tablet just because consumers are. There's a reason 1440p displays are becoming mainstream, and its' not just gamers who are bringing it about. A powerful desktop is essential for the workflow of a lot of people.

System administrators, support personal, in general anyone involved in IT at the enterprise level is going to want a desktop; a fast one, with several monitors. Anything less than that is a waste of the employees' time. Also, from a business standpoint, laptops make zero sense, except as secondary devices, or as equipment for mobile workers. For workers who are in-office from 9 to 5, a desktop is cheaper to maintain, easier to upgrade and repair, and more reliable and powerful than a laptop is. That's just good economics, right there.

So while the desktop in the consumer side may be dropping off, on the gaming/business/professional side? No chance. I'm not giving up a mouse, keyboard, and multiple monitors just because the industry journalists want everyone to believe the PC is dying. Is the PC receding? Yes. Is it going to die? Oh hell no.
This is so off base though...I've worked in a major tech company for the last 6 years and we have always been essentially 100% laptops except certain lab systems. CAD users, project managers, IT, engineers- all laptops. You seem to be assuming that if you have a business laptop that you only work on the laptop keyboard/monitor. At your desk you have a docking station of some kind with 2 huge monitors, keyboard, mouse. A desktop is just so unflexible, a laptop you can carry with you to the conference room to present, to lookup information on the fly to share in the meeting. A laptop you can carry with you to a collaboration area to work together with someone else. A laptop you have access to at home w/ VPN, so you can be responsive and work at odd hours (employers like this). I would be surprised if any major tech company (i.e. google, hp, etc) uses primarily desktops for business.

About the only area where you would truly want a desktop (workstation) for the average employee is for media editing/rendering or other truly CPU intensive 24/7 workload...these are not that common in typical businesses.
For smaller businesses I see the appeal for desktop systems, but still it's so inaccurate to dismiss business laptops as some secondary option. They dominate the landscape at large companies.
 
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