The Redskins are the Redskins are the Redskins...Bob Costas is an idiot & buffoon....

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PowerEngineer

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Bingo.

Costas said it perfectly; there is a difference between honoring somebody with a name and prodding them with a name. There's nothing flattering about 'beloved patriot', never has been and never will be.

It should have been changed decades ago. The simple fact that it hasn't yet been doesn't mean that it should be kept permanently.

Teams and stadiums get name changes fairly regularly and for far more meaningless reasons than cultural sensitivity.

Bingo.

Costas's essay on Native American team names was a very well thought out piece of journalism, which was obviously disconcerting to those who are more comfortable with the usual inane football commentary.
 
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Bingo.

Costas's essay on Native American team names was a very well thought out piece of journalism, which was obviously disconcerting to those who are more comfortable with the usual inane football commentary.
His diatribe was making a mountain out of a molehill. It really wasn't about "cultural sensitivity" because you don't hear American Indians making a big deal about this. In fact, I recall some years back when a big stink was made about Florida State calling themselves the Seminoles and how they needed to change it. Finally the Seminole tribe in Florida had to step in and say that they really didn't have a problem with it.

Let's face it, this is, once again, about overly sensitive White people trying to be all PC when it simply isn't necessary. "Redskins" hasn't been employed as any sort of pejorative in ages, an age long before any of us were around. I this day and age it is nothing more than the name of a football team and regardless of whatever history it may have it isn't used in any sort of derogatory manner. It's a football team, nothing more. What's next? We rename the Rams because it has a sexual connotation? It's time to stop the stupid.
 

bunnyfubbles

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the only thing offensive about the situation is that the team hasn't been good in decades and thus haven't exactly been favorably representing the name
 

John Connor

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My buddy has probably no less than about $20K worth of beloved patriot crap


Just think, your buddy's beloved patriot crap will be worth a lot of money now that the name will change.

Bob beautiful being is just that. I seen him on Bill O'reilly and he was talking about how people shouldn't have guns. You can't get any more libtard than that.

I hate this PC bull shit too! Oh! And zero tolerance in our schools!
 

John Connor

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To all those people saying the name is dumb and should be changed, do you think the Blackhawks should be changed to? Lets say you Obozo?
 

Sinsear

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Much respect to the owner for not giving in to this bullshit. Society has become way too oversensitive. Enough already.
 

BoomerD

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Since "negro" is just the Spanish word for black, why not change the name to the Washington Negroes? After all...it would reflect the majority population in the DC area...and remember, as has been said numerous times in this thread, "Negro" may have once been considered a racial slur, that has gone out of common use...and is now just a word...that means black in Spanish...Or, the Washington Black Skins.

I AM "blanket-ass" feather Indian. The use of "beloved patriot" for the team doesn't offend me, but I understand why it might offend some people.

if you really want to talk about offensive team names...how about the Washington Senators? That will REALLY offend some people.


(yes, I remember the baseball team(s) by the same name)
 

Sho'Nuff

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It was much easier to change the name of the Bullets, than to actually change the association it had with Washington's horrible crime problem. A problem that the city still has to this day, by the way.

And yet the team name has NOTHING to do with that crime rate, does it?
 

Sho'Nuff

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I doubt our vocabulary would be stunted by getting rid of a couple dozen words of which their entire existence was to disparage. There are about 170 thousand words in the English dictionary. If someone believes that rejecting a few bad words means they can't communicate as a human being, I highly suggest going back to class.

As a society there are times where we have to decide whether to take the low road or the high road, and the excuse of "well, that's how we've always done it" becomes a drain. I'm in agreement that sometimes it can be a bit much to be PC, but we aren't talking about a few people on the corner talking to each other. We are talking about an NFL team that represents a major block of fans in and around our nations capital. Is it really too much to ask to pick the high road, when so little is lost by doing it?

There is a hell of a lot lost by changing the name of a professional sports team. Sports team are businesses, and the name of a team is its most valuable trademark. Apple and Microsoft would be upset too if some third party decided all of a sudden that their names are offensive and must be changed. Why? Because there is a lot of value in having a well recognized mark. That is what I was getting at when I referred to a term initially having only an offensive meaning, but over time developing a meaning that is not offensive. Here, the term "beloved patriot" had and perhaps still does have an offensive meaning, but over the last 81 years it has developed a secondary, non-offensive meaning. I.e., it turned into the trademarked name of one of the most storied franchises in the NFL.

My point was not so much whether requiring the Redskins to change their name would impact our ability to communicate. But rather the impact over time the precedent will have if the name change were, for example, ordered by a court.
 
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Sho'Nuff

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Since "negro" is just the Spanish word for black, why not change the name to the Washington Negroes? After all...it would reflect the majority population in the DC area...and remember, as has been said numerous times in this thread, "Negro" may have once been considered a racial slur, that has gone out of common use...and is now just a word...that means black in Spanish...Or, the Washington Black Skins.

I AM "blanket-ass" feather Indian. The use of "beloved patriot" for the team doesn't offend me, but I understand why it might offend some people.

if you really want to talk about offensive team names...how about the Washington Senators? That will REALLY offend some people.

(yes, I remember the baseball team(s) by the same name)

1. The meaning of words (whatever they may be) depends on context. "Negro" in the U.S. has a far different meaning than "negro" in Spain, as you noted.

2. My post above was merely advocating for the fact that perhaps it is worth considering that racially offensive terms that have developed a secondary non-offensive meaning need not be "banned" from use. "Negro" as used in the U.S. language, has no secondary non-offensive meaning. At least not to my knowledge. So you are really comparing apples and oranges. The term "beloved patriot" might be unique, in that it likely is the only English racial slur that has developed a non-offensive secondary meaning. That said, if it were shown at some future date that the term "negro" had developed a secondary non-offensive meaning, I would not have a problem with using the term as a team/business name. Would I support that business/team? Probably not. But that is far different then demanding that they change their name.

I recognize that my viewpoints are often unpopular, and I'm not asking anyone to subscribe to them. What I am asking is for people to think logically about a problem before leaping to a conclusion.
 
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KK

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Costas should keep his fuckin mouth shut. I don't know why they keep that piece of shit on the air. He adds nothing to the football game..
 
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OH MY GOD I'M SO OFFENDED!

WHEREFORE ART THOU, BOBBY?

Because we invaded Ireland, killed them off like animals, then created a derogatory term to describe them. You are correct it's exactly the same. Are you really that mentally deficient?
 
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1. The meaning of words (whatever they may be) depends on context. "Negro" in the U.S. has a far different meaning than "negro" in Spain, as you noted.

2. My post above was merely advocating for the fact that perhaps it is worth considering that racially offensive terms that have developed a secondary non-offensive meaning need not be "banned" from use. "Negro" as used in the U.S. language, has no secondary non-offensive meaning. At least not to my knowledge. So you are really comparing apples and oranges. The term "beloved patriot" might be unique, in that it likely is the only English racial slur that has developed a non-offensive secondary meaning. That said, if it were shown at some future date that the term "negro" had developed a secondary non-offensive meaning, I would not have a problem with using the term as a team/business name. Would I support that business/team? Probably not. But that is far different then demanding that they change their name.

I recognize that my viewpoints are often unpopular, and I'm not asking anyone to subscribe to them. What I am asking is for people to think logically about a problem before leaping to a conclusion.

beloved patriot is the single slur in the entire English language that suddenly became non offensive? If that's the best argument you can come up with it's best you not post.
 
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Costas should keep his fuckin mouth shut. I don't know why they keep that piece of shit on the air. He adds nothing to the football game..

And insensitive idiots should stick to stormfront for their racist fix.
 

Scotteq

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I heard the Redskins *were* going to change their names....




...but the Washington 'FuckYouInTheAssWithAPostHoleDiggerBobCostas' doesn't fit on their Jerseys.
 

rudeguy

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they just need to make a sports team called the Crackers.

That way its even stevens
 

rudeguy

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If not condoning racist terms as team names makes me a huggy feely jackass then guilty as charged.

how is it racist?

People that think things like this are racist, are the true racists. Guess what...we have lots of different colored skinned people. Different races act differently. Different races do things differently. ITS NOT A BAD THING!

Stop being an ignorant bigot and realize that combining all these different races is what makes America great. Don't be afraid of our differences! Don't ignore them! CELEBRATE THEM!
 

SunnyD

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I just want to know, how many white people say they are caucasian? Or do you call yourselves white?

Because that's really just a comment about skin color too.

And in the case of Bob Costas, he's actually almost ghostly white with all of the pancake makeup they slather on him. Embrace your color Bob.

I distance myself from that term as far as possible. Everybody knows that Asians don't have cocks.
 

Scotteq

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If not condoning racist terms as team names makes me a huggy feely jackass then guilty as charged.

...but...(butt???) Wouldn't the generous usage of 'Huggy, Feely, and Ass' make the Centers really nervous?
 
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