The Redskins are the Redskins are the Redskins...Bob Costas is an idiot & buffoon....

[purbeast0]

This thread is about as funny as the real issue. A bunch of non-Native American people saying what Native Americans find offensive. I live in an area surrounded by reservations and work with over 100 hundred Native Americans, so I figured I would ask them if they are offended by the name. I have not been able to find a single one that is. It's really hilarious that all the people outside stadiums protesting the name are white.

there have been surveys taken that were all native americans and 95% of them were not offended, so your findings do not surprise me in the least.

 

[Nintendesert]

My username is based on one fictional character. It is not, itself, a racial epithet, even if Italians were a race, which they are not. "Redskins" is absolutely a racial epithet. By your specious logic, there would be nothing wrong with naming a sports franchise the "Lazy Coons," or something similar. I just don't want to live in a society that tolerates overt use of racial slurs this way - to me it's an unwelcome remnant of an era when overt racism was perfectly acceptable.

I really think people who view this as "political correctness" need to adjust their sensitivity meters. To me this is a very obvious call - the name should absolutely be changed.

I love it. So perpetuating racial stereotypes is ok as long as you don't use an epithet.

http://www.nj.com/sopranos/ledger/index.ssf?/sopranos/stories/111500anti.html

See, as long as one person is offended by it. You're offensive and so is your username. Change it.

 

[BladeVenom]

My username is based on one fictional character. It is not, itself, a racial epithet, even if Italians were a race, which they are not.

Vito Coleone is based on a negative stereotype. By your specious logic, it would be OK to name the team Uncle Tom. That was just one fictional character also.

 

[BladeVenom]

This thread is about as funny as the real issue. A bunch of non-Native American people saying what Native Americans find offensive. I live in an area surrounded by reservations and work with over 100 hundred Native Americans, so I figured I would ask them if they are offended by the name. I have not been able to find a single one that is. It's really hilarious that all the people outside stadiums protesting the name are white.

Which just goes to show that the PC liberals are the most racist group out there. They believe that they should be the ones to speak for others.

 

[Sinsear]

This thread is about as funny as the real issue. A bunch of non-Native American people saying what Native Americans find offensive. I live in an area surrounded by reservations and work with over 100 hundred Native Americans, so I figured I would ask them if they are offended by the name. I have not been able to find a single one that is. It's really hilarious that all the people outside stadiums protesting the name are white.

Yep, the white guilt feel good brigade is out in full force

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I love it. So perpetuating racial stereotypes is ok as long as you don't use an epithet.

http://www.nj.com/sopranos/ledger/index.ssf?/sopranos/stories/111500anti.html

See, as long as one person is offended by it. You're offensive and so is your username. Change it.

So . . . one stranger using a username on an internet forum that is inspired by a fictional Italian crime boss = an NFL franchise worth more than a billion dollars with a name that is an established racial stereotype? Got it . . .

If you guys insist on checking your logic and sense of proportion at the door, this will continue to be a fairly pointless discussion.

As I said, I would advocate changing the Redskins name even if no Native American were offended by it, because I don't condone the use of racial slurs, much less the use of them for sports teams with millions of fans. I think anyone who would seriously argue to the contrary is a fool.

 

[thraashman]

Which just goes to show that the PC liberals are the most racist group out there. They believe that they should be the ones to speak for others.

You realize the main reason this is an issue is because a group that actually does represent native Americans and is made up of native Americans is pushing to get the name changed. I can't see how people can really defend the team name. If we had a team with a Zulu warrior as a mascot that was called the "Darkies" we would (and should) all see a problem with that.

 

[Nintendesert]

You realize the main reason this is an issue is because a group that actually does represent native Americans and is made up of native Americans is pushing to get the name changed. I can't see how people can really defend the team name. If we had a team with a Zulu warrior as a mascot that was called the "Darkies" we would (and should) all see a problem with that.

They represent one tribe, to state they represent native americans as though they speak for all of them is in itself very racist. I am disgusted.


And yes Vito, as long as you're only a little bit offensive and racist in this little corner of the internet it's AOK! I for one appreciate your hypocrisy when it comes to racial stereotypes.

Edit: Let me add this, you're embracing the stereotype perpetuated by The Godfather, which is arguably more culturally influential than the Redskins could ever hope to be. So you're ok with it on any level regardless of your perceived proportionality and attempts to dismiss your use of racial stereotypes.

 

[KeithTalent]

I agree with him completely last night, and as a Redskins fan.

going after the name Redskins is not PC--going after Chiefs or Braves or Seminoles, however, is.

Calling a team the Redskins is literally no different than calling a team the Wetbacks, or Spics, or Chinks, or Kikes, or ******s, etc.

This. It's not that hard to understand folks.

KT

 

[BladeVenom]

You realize the main reason this is an issue is because a group that actually does represent native Americans and is made up of native Americans is pushing to get the name changed.

One group, so what? There are over 500 Indian tribes in America. No matter what you name the team, you will always find at least one group that would object.

What percentage of Native Americans object to the name?

 

[OCGuy]

One group, so what? There are over 500 Indian tribes in America. No matter what you name the team, you will always find at least one group that would object.

What percentage of Native Americans object to the name?

I heard the survey takers had trouble driving out to the shitty plots of desert we rounded them up on. And once they got on the reservation, the extreme poverty/alcoholism and rampant suicide scared them off before they could finish.

If you aren't in a tribe with a burgeoning casino, your life pretty much freaking sucks, and you probably don't care about the name of a sports team. However, let's not pretend that "Redskins" is the same as the "Braves."

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

They represent one tribe, to state they represent native americans as though they speak for all of them is in itself very racist. I am disgusted.


And yes Vito, as long as you're only a little bit offensive and racist in this little corner of the internet it's AOK! I for one appreciate your hypocrisy when it comes to racial stereotypes.

Edit: Let me add this, you're embracing the stereotype perpetuated by The Godfather, which is arguably more culturally influential than the Redskins could ever hope to be. So you're ok with it on any level regardless of your perceived proportionality and attempts to dismiss your use of racial stereotypes.

Italians are not a "race." Don Corleone is not a "bad" character in terms of perpetrating any kind of Italian-American stereotype - he is a rich, complex character with both good and bad characteristics - that is the magic of that wonderful film. By your tortured logic, if I used the name Walter White, it would somehow be "racist" against white men, because he is a criminal, and by using Gus Fring as an avatar, I take it I am also being "racist" against black and/or Latino people, because he too was a criminal character.

Your willingness to be disingenuous in support of a specious argument has reached the point that I consider you a person who is either incapable of engaging in a real debate or is unwilling to do so. In any case you are acting like a fool and deserve to be treated like one.

 

[KK]

Many Native Americans (most, actually, of the ones I know) call themselves "Indians." I will always respect calling people whatever they want to be called, but there is not any clear consensus that "Indian" is offensive. I certainly agree, though, that Chief Wahoo is a racist caricature and not an homage to Native Americans in any way, shape or form.

I'm offended and by your own words if even one person was offended, it should be changed.


See how stupid that sounds? I would expect nothing less from a lib.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I'm offended and by your own words if even one person was offended, it should be changed.


See how stupid that sounds? I would expect nothing less from a lib.

The words I have to apply to you are not racial in any way. They include "rube," "simpleton," and "partisan hack."

 

[KK]

The words I have to apply to you are not racial in any way. They include "rube," "simpleton," and "partisan hack."

Easy there, I have no idea what "rube" means.

 

[zinfamous]

Easy there, I have no idea what "rube" means.

spoken like a true maroon.

 

[rudeguy]

spoken like a true maroon.

You spelled moran wrong moran

 

[zinfamous]

You spelled moran wrong moran

You would think that, as you have the brainpan of a stagecoach tilter.

 

[rudeguy]

You would think that, as you have the brainpan of a stagecoach tilter.

I have the feeling that I would be offfended if I knew what that meant

 

[PowerEngineer]

You spelled moran wrong moran

Actually, the word is spelled "moron".

 

[rudeguy]

Did you guys fail memes 101?

 

[Conscript]

This is not a "free speech" issue. Nobody is saying the government should take action to change the name of the Redskins. People are merely saying that the name is a racial slur and that the team should change it because, well, it's a racial slur. There is no whiff of "free speech" involved, because there is not even any discussion of government regulation of the name. By your logic, parents can't send a child to bed without supper for calling his mother a foul name, because "in the US, we have freedom of speech"!

Suggest you keep up with the news. Obama has chimed in on it. But you're right, I should have just simplified, told you to get the sand out of you vagina, and worry about something relevant

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Suggest you keep up with the news. Obama has chimed in on it. But you're right, I should have just simplified, told you to get the sand out of you vagina, and worry about something relevant

"Chiming in on it" has nothing to do with the government taking action to force a name change, which has not occurred and never will. All the President has said was that if he owned the Redskins, he'd think about changing the name. He never said or in any way implied that this was something the government could mandate.

Again, Americans' ignorance of the concept of free speech is a mystery to me. I am reminded of Sarah Palin's suggesting that backlash against Dr. Laura for using the N word was somehow an infringement of her free speech. People in this country seem to get dumber and dumber every year, and you seem to be one of the dumber individuals participating in this thread.

As for me "getting the sand out of my vagina," this thread is about a particular topic, and includes discussion on that topic. You yourself are voluntarily participating in the discussion, so if you don't think it's worth talking about, I suggest you listen to your own brain-dead advice and stop discussing it.

I never said the name of the Redskins was among the most important problems facing America - it isn't. That being said, only a complete ignoramus would argue that the Redskins' right to keep their stupid name is something worth defending, much less that it's a matter of "free speech."

 

[IAteYourMother]

Suggest you keep up with the news. Obama has chimed in on it. But you're right, I should have just simplified, told you to get the sand out of you vagina, and worry about something relevant

So... you're admitting you're wrong?

 

[Via]

I like San Fransisco Faeries.

That's ok, right? The fairy is a respected mythological creature.


What about Green Bay sauerKrauts? I don't know....maybe that's a bit too far.

Here they come, them fightin' Krauts.