The Redskins are the Redskins are the Redskins...Bob Costas is an idiot & buffoon....

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rudeguy

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Behind what?

How many times have you been on to the reservation and interacted with Native Americans? In the Casino's maybe?

It's a real question--would you directly call one a beloved patriot?


Further, do you think your chances of encountering a British person are greater than encountering a Native American? I know this reflects local demographics for some, but it is worth considering in that comparison.

One of my best buddies is Indian. I'll call him right now and call him a beloved patriot and he won't feel any way about it.

I have a few friends, lots of acquaintances that are Indian. Only talked to Brits on the phone.

Oh...one of my friends Myspace name was "Poke a Hot Ass" (yes, she's smoking!)
 

lupi

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You're right, I didn't spend time last weekend with someone who is almost half indian. So I have no idea what the other cultures are like.
 

Chess

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I am a skins season ticket holder, and honestly would it bother me if they changed the name... NOPE sure wouldnt... .Would it surprise me if they did ? NOPE sure wouldnt...

Do I personally want the name chagned... NOPE I sure dont.....


End of story, if they want the name change just get it over and done with, but I find it funny that FSU got the Seminole nation to let them keep Seminoles, but its whatever ha
 

dbk

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I've been a Redskins fan all my life and I don't have a problem with the name. Having said that, I also wouldn't have a problem with the name being changed and I understand the reasons why it should be change. It's just a name. Can Dan Snyder actually be forced to change the name? I don't think so. In what circumstances will Snyder change the name? Public perception? Right now it seems like it's at best, 50/50 (thanks media).

I will still worry about RG3 being injured, whether or not the secondary can hang on, or if this is finally the year that the Shanahans will get run out of town.

Abe Pollin changing the bball team name from Bullets to Wizards.. now that makes me sad to this day
 

zinfamous

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One of my best buddies is Indian. I'll call him right now and call him a beloved patriot and he won't feel any way about it.

I have a few friends, lots of acquaintances that are Indian. Only talked to Brits on the phone.

Oh...one of my friends Myspace name was "Poke a Hot Ass" (yes, she's smoking!)

What a great story!

You know, I have some gay friends whom I call i love you all the time! Black friends? yeah, I've called them Darky, my excellent compatriot a few times.

Jew friends? I've told them to stop being such a Jew several times. Haven't called them beloved patriot, though, as far as I'm aware.

Man, I have lots of friends that like to joke about these things.
 

rudeguy

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What a great story!

You know, I have some gay friends whom I call i love you all the time! Black friends? yeah, I've called them Darky, my excellent compatriot a few times.

Jew friends? I've told them to stop being such a Jew several times. Haven't called them beloved patriot, though, as far as I'm aware.

Man, I have lots of friends that like to joke about these things.

you really are sheltered aren't you?

Maybe its because growing up, I was the token white dude. I have never been in a situation where anyone was uptight as you, except when I was dealing with a prejudice asshole. Its pretty easy to cover up your own racism by attacking others.

We have different skin colors. Different races do things differently. ITS OK MAN! Its what makes this country great. Anyone who isn't comfortable with those differences needs to work out his own racial issues.
 
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you really are sheltered aren't you?

Maybe its because growing up, I was the token white dude. I have never been in a situation where anyone was uptight as you, except when I was dealing with a prejudice asshole. Its pretty easy to cover up your own racism by attacking others.

We have different skin colors. Different races do things differently. ITS OK MAN! Its what makes this country great. Anyone who isn't comfortable with those differences needs to work out his own racial issues.

whoosh.
 

zinfamous

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you really are sheltered aren't you?

Maybe its because growing up, I was the token white dude. I have never been in a situation where anyone was uptight as you, except when I was dealing with a prejudice asshole. Its pretty easy to cover up your own racism by attacking others.

We have different skin colors. Different races do things differently. ITS OK MAN! Its what makes this country great. Anyone who isn't comfortable with those differences needs to work out his own racial issues.

well, I was making a point. But ah, well. never-mind I guess.
 

Chess

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I've been a Redskins fan all my life and I don't have a problem with the name. Having said that, I also wouldn't have a problem with the name being changed and I understand the reasons why it should be change. It's just a name. Can Dan Snyder actually be forced to change the name? I don't think so. In what circumstances will Snyder change the name? Public perception? Right now it seems like it's at best, 50/50 (thanks media).

I will still worry about RG3 being injured, whether or not the secondary can hang on, or if this is finally the year that the Shanahans will get run out of town.

Abe Pollin changing the bball team name from Bullets to Wizards.. now that makes me sad to this day

Abe Pollin RIP.. the wizards are in a better place now due to Uncle Ted taking ownership.... Granted the name change was the stupidest PC stunt EVER
 

rudeguy

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well, I was making a point. But ah, well. never-mind I guess.

I get your point. But I am trying to show you how you are being more sensitive than the people this affects.

And I'm trying to get you to realize that by making a bigger deal out of it than it should be, you are actually being racist.

We are all equals but we are equals with different skin colors, native traditions and lots of other differences. I'm white. My buddy is black. My other buddy is half Indian. My other buddy is full blooded Indian. My two Indian buddies trace their heritage to different continents. ITS OK to talk about those differences, including the color of our skin.
 

zinfamous

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I get your point. But I am trying to show you how you are being more sensitive than the people this affects.

And I'm trying to get you to realize that by making a bigger deal out of it than it should be, you are actually being racist.

We are all equals but we are equals with different skin colors, native traditions and lots of other differences. I'm white. My buddy is black. My other buddy is half Indian. My other buddy is full blooded Indian. My two Indian buddies trace their heritage to different continents. ITS OK to talk about those differences, including the color of our skin.

well, that argument has always been invalid. For example: Affirmative Action is not about racism--it's about fairness. When it breaks, as it certainly does, it is not because it is being racist, it is because it is creating a lack of fairness.

disliking bigots for being bigots is not being a bigot. I know you're not a simple person, so don't make a simple argument.

Further, I'm not sure why you can joke about racism with your friends, yet when I do it, I am somehow uptight and bring racist? This is odd, to me.

Again, approach a random Native American on the street, would you call them a beloved patriot? Would you call a Jew a beloved patriot? Would you expect strangers to accept this as an "lol, just being ironic!" type of joke?

I doubt it.

Simply because we may have come from different backgrounds, in your mind (actually, I grew up in a shithole southern town where I was very much the minority), doesn't give you or me any better insight into our racist tendencies.

This really is very simple: We know for a goddamn fact that "beloved patriot" is nothing more than a racist term. Are people offended by it? If the majority is not, OK. Is a majority of the community that is the supposed target of the offense, OK with this term? OK...

Second question: is the level of offense determined by majority the only argument to consider with this issue?

Are we really that petty--that the fact that we don't seem to be offended by the term, today, is the only thought to consider?


People are different, races are different. We all have stereotypes that lend themselves to humor and even a margin of truth. Reality check--this is a culture issue--not a skin color issue. Biology laughs when you think that people tend towards different stereotypes because of skin color. Joke all you want with your friends about our differences, as I certainly do, but the humor is only able to be humor because we accept, through our ability to laugh, that these people absolutely ARE NOT defined by their skin color.
 
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slayer202

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Can't wait till this bs is over and we can go back to associating the word "redskins" with a football team and not a racial slur. Meanings change over time. It's especially ridiculous since most of the loudest opposers aren't even native americans.

Bob Costas is a fool, I don't know why these people think their position as a football commentator allows them to get onto a soapbox. He did that last year when the KC (?) football player committed suicide after killing his girlfriend. He turned it into a gun control debate during halftime. I lost all respect for him after that.

you're the fool
 

diesbudt

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So there was little complaint or verbal talking about the Redskins name until earlier this year.

What changed? Why now? The redskins have been around for decades...
 

Brigandier

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So there was little complaint or verbal talking about the Redskins name until earlier this year.

What changed? Why now? The redskins have been around for decades...

RGIII didn't pan out and they need to keep their name in the media some way.
 

diesbudt

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Abe Pollin RIP.. the wizards are in a better place now due to Uncle Ted taking ownership.... Granted the name change was the stupidest PC stunt EVER

Being a level 7 Magic Wielder on my local Dungeons and Dragons circuit, along with the being part of the Magic council of 5 in the same circuit I AM VERY OFFENDED by people using this term "wizard".

PLEASE CHANGE YOUR NAME

K THX BYE
 

zinfamous

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So there was little complaint or verbal talking about the Redskins name until earlier this year.

What changed? Why now? The redskins have been around for decades...

actually, this conversation happens to some degree every year, in various circles.

It has certainly been louder in the past, but it's been a while since the discussion has gone beyond NFL owners and a few interest groups.
 

diesbudt

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actually, this conversation happens to some degree every year, in various circles.

It has certainly been louder in the past, but it's been a while since the discussion has gone beyond NFL owners and a few interest groups.

I have been a huge NFL fan since age 6 (1993) and I have never ever ever never ever never heard anyone complain about the name redskins.

This includes internet forums, news, football games, school, college, work, casinos, outside, inside, left, right, upside down, on a roller coaster, in a public urinal.

You name it, I was there. Yet until this year I have not heard this. Then this year I have heard it earlier (in March? and May?) and since August I have heard it like once every 2-3 weeks, even on NFL game news broadcasters, or on the News, or on Yahoo news, or Here.

What changed? Is a group of people pissed off at The football team? Is there a group of people looking at this as a possible lawsuit with big $$$ should the Redskins not change name? Is there a group that hates fun?

You get my point. (its a ridiculous notion)

And lets be honest ANY team name can be taken offence to by ANYONE.

Packers? Maybe packing plant employees should rebel.
Steelers? Maybe steel mill workers should picket the name.
Lions? Maybe the Lions from the states neighboring zoos will go on strike until it changes. (since any Zoo in detriot should be closed down at the rate they are in bankruptcy)
 
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zinfamous

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I have been a huge NFL fan since age 6 (1993) and I have never ever ever never ever never heard anyone complain about the name redskins.

This includes internet forums, news, football games, school, college, work, casinos, outside, inside, left, right, upside down, on a roller coaster, in a public urinal.

You name it, I was there. Yet until this year I have not heard this. Then this year I have heard it earlier (in March? and May?) and since August I have heard it like once every 2-3 weeks, even on NFL game news broadcasters, or on the News, or on Yahoo news, or Here.

What changed? Is a group of people pissed off at The football team? Is there a group of people looking at this as a possible lawsuit with big $$$ should the Redskins not change name? Is there a group that hates fun?

You get my point. (its a ridiculous notion)

And lets be honest ANY team name can be taken offence to by ANYONE.

Packers? Maybe packing plant employees should rebel.
Steelers? Maybe steel mill workers should picket the name.
Lions? Maybe the Lions from the states neighboring zoos will go on strike until it changes. (since any Zoo in detriot should be closed down at the rate they are in bankruptcy)

well, you haven't been paying attention as closely as you say. Again, this is generally pretty quiet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Redskins_name_controversy

seems as though the last major hulabaloo was in 1992.

If you scroll down, you will find references that date throughout this decade, and some earlier. Much of the sources are indeed from the last year, but it's not going to be easy to find all of this from pre-"contemporary internet" days.

Your experience with this is different from mine. Not sure if it's being a beloved patriot fan, but the topic does come up in my sphere.
 

zinfamous

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Packers? Maybe packing plant employees should rebel.
Steelers? Maybe steel mill workers should picket the name.
Lions? Maybe the Lions from the states neighboring zoos will go on strike until it changes. (since any Zoo in detriot should be closed down at the rate they are in bankruptcy)



...and I still don't get why people think that comparing a known racial epithet to historically benign labels is somehow valid.

OK, if you wanted to justify Redskins by pointing to the San Antonio Wetbacks soccer team, then I'd listen to you....
 

rudeguy

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...and I still don't get why people think that comparing a known racial epithet to historically benign labels is somehow valid.

OK, if you wanted to justify Redskins by pointing to the San Antonio Wetbacks soccer team, then I'd listen to you....

lets have the Mississippi Crackers!
 

slayer202

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So there was little complaint or verbal talking about the Redskins name until earlier this year.

What changed? Why now? The redskins have been around for decades...

1. you're not very bright
2. people have talked about it, for a long while
3. even if people haven't talked about it until now doesn't make a difference at all
 

Thebobo

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This is why the name will never change.

There are Native American schools that call their teams Redskins. The term is used affectionately by some natives, similar to the way the N-word is used by some African-Americans. In the only recent poll to ask native people about the subject, 90 percent of respondents did not consider the term offensive, although many question the cultural credentials of the respondents.

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/indians-redskins-slur-20505945
 
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