The Reusable Toilet Wipe

glenn beck

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http://living.wallypop.net/wipes.html


The tenderness of the delicate American buttock is causing more environmental devastation than the country's love of gas-guzzling cars, fast food or McMansions, according to green campaigners. At fault, they say, is the US public's insistence on extra-soft, quilted and multi-ply products when they use the bathroom.

"This is a product that we use for less than three seconds and the ecological consequences of manufacturing it from trees is enormous," said Allen Hershkowitz, a senior scientist at the Natural Resources Defence Council.

"Future generations are going to look at the way we make toilet paper as one of the greatest excesses of our age. Making toilet paper from virgin wood is a lot worse than driving Hummers in terms of global warming pollution." Making toilet paper has a significant impact because of chemicals used in pulp manufacture and cutting down forests.

A campaign by Greenpeace seeks to raise consciousness among Americans about the environmental costs of their toilet habits and counter an aggressive new push by the paper industry giants to market so-called luxury brands.

More than 98% of the toilet roll sold in America comes from virgin forests, said Hershkowitz. In Europe and Latin America, up to 40% of toilet paper comes from recycled products. Greenpeace this week launched a cut-out-and-keep ecological ranking of toilet paper products.

"We have this myth in the US that recycled is just so low quality, it's like cardboard and is impossible to use," said Lindsey Allen, the forestry campaigner of Greenpeace.

The campaigning group says it produced the guide to counter an aggressive marketing push by the big paper product makers in which celebrities talk about the comforts of luxury brands of toilet paper and tissue.

Those brands, which put quilting and pockets of air between several layers of paper, are especially damaging to the environment.

Paper manufacturers such as Kimberly-Clark have identified luxury brands such as three-ply tissues or tissues infused with hand lotion as the fastest-growing market share in a highly competitive industry. Its latest television advertisements show a woman caressing tissue infused with hand lotion.

The New York Times reported a 40% rise in sales of luxury brands of toilet paper in 2008. Paper companies are anxious to keep those percentages up, even as the recession bites. And Reuters reported that Kimberly-Clark spent $25m in its third quarter on advertising to persuade Americans against trusting their bottoms to cheaper brands.

But Kimberly-Clark, which touts its green credentials on its website, rejects the idea that it is pushing destructive products on an unwitting American public.

Dave Dixon, a company spokesman, said toilet paper and tissue from recycled fibre had been on the market for years. If Americans wanted to buy them, they could.

"For bath tissue Americans in particular like the softness and strength that virgin fibres provides," Dixon said. "It's the quality and softness the consumers in America have come to expect."

Longer fibres in virgin wood are easier to lay out and fluff up for a softer tissue. Dixon said the company used products from sustainbly farmed forests in Canada.

Americans already consume vastly more paper than any other country ? about three times more per person than the average European, and 100 times more than the average person in China.

Barely a third of the paper products sold in America are from recycled sources ? most of it comes from virgin forests.

"I really do think it is overwhelmingly an American phenomenom," said Hershkowitz. "People just don't understand that softness equals ecological destruction."








This reminds me of when Sheryl Crow wanted advocate using just one single square
piece of toilet paper per visit. Not gonna happen.
 

nobody554

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I want to know how these environmentalists feel they are not harming the earth when they're not exactly living in tree huts in the forest living off of berries and nuts and instead in houses that were built on top of what may have once been a prosperous land and eating whatever it is that environmentalists eat.
 

SMOGZINN

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Originally posted by: ggnl
how does 'made from recycled paper' translate to 'reusable'?

You can fold it up to 8 times, but then it has to be replaced.
 

JM Aggie08

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That dam thing wouldn't be reusable after just one wipe from me, i can tell ya that much.
 

Crono

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Originally posted by: nobody554
I want to know how these environmentalists feel they are not harming the earth when they're not exactly living in tree huts in the forest living off of berries and nuts and instead in houses that were built on top of what may have once been a prosperous land and eating whatever it is that environmentalists eat.

They're mostly about reducing impact to environment. If someone was truly a hardcore environmentalist, they would live "off the grid" and not use electricity or be participants in the whole economic system of the world. Eat berries and nuts, like you said. Most people are not willing to go that far, though, but they would like to feel good about being "greener" (whether or not they are, in fact, making a positive difference is another issue).
 

IceBergSLiM

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Originally posted by: nobody554
I want to know how these environmentalists feel they are not harming the earth when they're not exactly living in tree huts in the forest living off of berries and nuts and instead in houses that were built on top of what may have once been a prosperous land and eating whatever it is that environmentalists eat.

you can be mindful of the environment without being an extremist can't you?
 

glenn beck

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: nobody554
I want to know how these environmentalists feel they are not harming the earth when they're not exactly living in tree huts in the forest living off of berries and nuts and instead in houses that were built on top of what may have once been a prosperous land and eating whatever it is that environmentalists eat.

you can be mindful of the environment without being an extremist can't you?
yes
 

nobody554

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: nobody554
I want to know how these environmentalists feel they are not harming the earth when they're not exactly living in tree huts in the forest living off of berries and nuts and instead in houses that were built on top of what may have once been a prosperous land and eating whatever it is that environmentalists eat.

you can be mindful of the environment without being an extremist can't you?

I'm okay with being mindful, but articles like the above don't sound like we should just slightly alter our habits. It's more of, "CHANGE YOUR WAYS, HEATHEN!"

A lot of the things that they want humans to change will alter our comfort and, for lack of a better word, efficiency. Americans, for example, usually like to be comfortable and set in their ways. When someone comes around telling you that you need to "recycle" or "back off" in your habits, it strikes a nerve with quite a few people because of the change of comfort.
 

JDub02

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not going to lie, i like the softest, strongest TP available and i don't mind destroying forests for that.

but it's only a temporary problem. aren't we going to use 3 shells in the future?
 

Peelback79

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When every single greeny tree humper and moron politician are using it, I'll follow suit. Untill then, give me 3 yards of ye olde crevice floss and damn the old growth forests and those Charmin bears because after a night on the town at my favorite Mexican restaurant less is not more.
 

40Hands

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Recycling = reusable toilet wipe? What a misleading title.

This reminds me of when Sheryl Crow wanted advocate using just one single square
piece of toilet paper per visit. Not gonna happen.

You know that wasn't a serious statement right? Jesus some people are dense.


I love how people who actually care about the environment say something along the lines of "We need to recycle and stop wasting so much" gets somehow turned into a personal attack. I see it here at work all the time. The office assistants have formed a green office committee. They've been changing over some products we use to recycled equivalents. Some people in the office see it as some sort of personal vendetta against them. Whenever they hear about it, they roll their eyes or ignore it. Another example is turning off the lights in the copier rooms. A few here actually got nasty letters written to them because they turned off the lights and the eco-haters saw it as another "attack" of some sort. (see the post above mine for a perfect example!) I'm sure there's some underlying psychological issue here but I'm no psychiatrist.

Contrary to the beliefs of some, saving the environment is a good thing.
 

randay

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so youre saying its bad for the environment when i rub the whole roll up and down my butt crack and then throw it out the window?
 

MrPickins

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More than 98% of the toilet roll sold in America comes from virgin forests, said Hershkowitz.
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Barely a third of the paper products sold in America are from recycled sources ? most of it comes from virgin forests.


I call shens on these statements. I'd be willing to bet that most of the wood for the paper comes from tree farms.
 

sutahz

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recycled does not mean reusable. yeah it's a vigin forrest, a virgin forrest planted for the purpose of being cut down so many years down the raod. "Making toilet paper has a significant impact because of chemicals used in pulp manufacture", and recycling paper takes no chemicals?
 

mchammer

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Originally posted by: ivan2
meh, why not just go Indian and use your bare hand. it's greener than way.

Don't go there man. Remember the 1,000 post thread on this topic a few years back. :frown:
 

Miramonti

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What do you think people used on babies for milleniums, and most of the world still does...pampers?
 
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