The rise and fall of AMD

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CHADBOGA

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Thanks, that was a perfect answer. You obviously haven't read my link - that was the antitrust court decision followup. You know, the one where Intel had to pay 1.06b €.
It was a Commission, not a Court.
 

CHADBOGA

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Yep intel just gave AMD 1+B of dollars just because AMD had no case. Perfect logic there :awe:. I'm just amazed by some poster on this board :thumbsup:
And AMD just accepted $1.3Billion instead of waiting to be awarded $30+ Billion because their case was so strong.

Funny things can happen in a Court Case, we saw how the OJ Simpson jury got blindsided.

Why would Intel put their shiny Rolls Royce into a game of Chicken with AMD's clapped out rust bucket, when for them a trivial amount guarantees they don't have to worry about a lunatic in a death trap vehicle trying to run them off the road.
 

inf64

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Because court case like that can last 3-5 years. AMD needed the money and it would cost them tons of money to go to court in the first place. By the time the verdict could be reached AMD maybe be out of the business. That's why. And yes, intel most definitely broke the law, multiple times. They just have so much of it that they can bribe and buy their way out of the big black hole whenever they want.
 

R0H1T

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And AMD just accepted $1.3Billion instead of waiting to be awarded $30+ Billion because their case was so strong.

Funny things can happen in a Court Case, we saw how the OJ Simpson jury got blindsided.

Why would Intel put their shiny Rolls Royce into a game of Chicken with AMD's clapped out rust bucket, when for them a trivial amount guarantees they don't have to worry about a lunatic in a death trap vehicle trying to run them off the road.
They could always file an appeal, like Samsung did, no wait that'd be silly because Intel was still not guilty & it'd be way too much of an effort to file appeal papers !
 

CHADBOGA

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Because court case like that can last 3-5 years. AMD needed the money and it would cost them tons of money to go to court in the first place. By the time the verdict could be reached AMD maybe be out of the business. That's why. And yes, intel most definitely broke the law, multiple times. They just have so much of it that they can bribe and buy their way out of the big black hole whenever they want.
Without a Court to properly test this, only a blind partisan would make such a statement.
 

Piroko

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It was a Commission, not a Court.
If I get hit by a car I don't care if it was driven by a person or a dog. Your stance seems to be that as long as you think there is no car you will not get hit. Good luck on that.
 

CHADBOGA

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They could always file an appeal, like Samsung did, no wait that'd be silly because Intel was still not guilty !
They have filed an appeal.

Do you like displaying how little you know about so many things?
 

inf64

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@Charles
BD parts were launched in 2011... Check your facts first.
And what does that chart have to do with intel's illegal activities in the semi-conductor market?

@ Chad
Your quote in your sig can be modified you know (to reflect your blind fanboism in this particular case). Replace the AMDzone with AT/CPU&OCing subforums and you hit the nail on the head . Thankfully not all members think like you, only you and ... you. Wait maybe 1 or 2 more on this board but that's it.
 
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CHADBOGA

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@Charles
@ Chad
Your quote in your sig can be modified you know (to reflect your blind fanboism in this particular case). Replace the AMDzone with AT/CPU&OCing subforums and you hit the nail on the head . Thankfully not all members think like you, only you and ... you. Wait maybe 1 or 2 more on this board but that's it.

It looks like Bulldozer failing to live up to your dreams of being the fastest desktop processor in the world(according to some French site's benchmarks), has left you permanently embittered and incapable of dealing with reality, thus you turn increasingly to a warped reality you created to help you cope with these dark days for AMD.
 

inf64

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Yeah sure sure Chad. That's why you are only left on this board without a ban and on all other relevant boards you are blocked . Because of your impartial posting history. Please, I know you very well to play this game with you here and now . This topic is perfect example of all of this and your blind defense of intel now makes me think you are either just deluded in this case or have some money in stake( bought some shares?). Whatever the case might be, good luck man.
 

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And AMD just accepted $1.3Billion instead of waiting to be awarded $30+ Billion because their case was so strong.

AMD had a strong case, but you have to put everything in context. In 2009 AMD needed to complete the Globalfoundries transaction because if ATIC pulled out there would be no one willing to put monies in there, and they would probably have gone bankrupt. They needed both the cash and the GLF deal, so for them it was a worthy compromise.

Have in mind that AMD only settled after Intel - correctly - sued them for breach of the then-current patent agreement, which didn't allow them to manufacture chip of their own fabs.

For Intel it was also worth to settle because no investigation could proceed without AMD collaboration, and because AMD wasn't their only problem. If regulators had access to the process files and they found Intel guilty of something, the liability could be worth a few times the settlement value. Independently of the verdict it would be more than a mere nuisance to have litigation on the US, Canada, Europe, Japan, Korea, etc. Have in mind that not all of the settlement value would go for AMD's war chest, a lot of it would be to regulators in the form of fines.

As I said, I don't think Intel deemed the practice illegal at the time. Aggressive, yes, but not illegal. And in the end it didn't matter what Intel did as AMD burned whatever money they had made with K7 and K8 when acquired ATI, their engineering was already in disarray bulldozing the internal controls to allow Bulldozer to proceed and they had already chosen IBM as their source for process node, all the elements of the perfect storm that happened in 2011/2012.
 
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Charles Kozierok

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@Charles
BD parts were launched in 2011... Check your facts first.

I didn't make the chart. And it doesn't matter to the point here.

And what does that chart have to do with intel's illegal activities in the semi-conductor market?

Simple -- you guys are alleging that AMD's woes are because of Intel's alleged illegal activities, but those activities happened before AMD had tremendous success. They obviously did not prevent AMD from being successful, and they do not explain at all why AMD has imploded since 2006 -- and that's why the complaints are meaningless.
 

CHADBOGA

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Yeah sure sure Chad. That's why you are only left on this board without a ban and on all other relevant boards you are blocked .
Other than XS which turned itself into an irrelevant site by pandering to AMD fanboys, what other relevant boards do you believe I am blocked on?


This topic is perfect example of all of this and your blind defense of intel now makes me think you are either just deluded in this case or have some money in stake( bought some shares?). Whatever the case might be, good luck man.

This topic and many others is perfect example of your blind and baseless attacks on intel, which now makes me think you are either just deluded in this case or have some money in stake( bought some shares?). Whatever the case might be, good luck man.

BTW, Will Steamroller or Excavator become the world's fastest desktop processor according to that French Site's benchmarks? :awe:
 

Gikaseixas

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The fact that this thread is still going strong, tell us that the intel army is strong on this board.
 

Charles Kozierok

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The fact that this thread is still going strong, tell us that the intel army is strong on this board.

Given that your post is contentless, that suggests far more that you are in an "army" than anyone else.

Maybe you can explain how it is that AMD had its peak of success right after the supposed Intel illegal activities, and therefore how that accounts for their decline years later?

I won't hold my breath.
 

Gikaseixas

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Given that your post is contentless, that suggests far more that you are in an "army" than anyone else.

Maybe you can explain how it is that AMD had its peak of success right after the supposed Intel illegal activities, and therefore how that accounts for their decline years later?

I won't hold my breath.

You must be paid by Intel. Wasting a lot of energy on AMD related threads much??? You accused Galego of being on AMD's payroll and just look at your own behavior.

I made a point, i'm entitled to am i not? You couldn't help yourself hahahahaha big troll you
 
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Charles Kozierok

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Let's see..

You must be paid by Intel.

No content here.

Wasting a lot of energy on AMD related threads much???

None here.

You accused Galego of being on AMD's payroll and just look at your own behavior.

Nope, not here either.

I made a point, i'm entitled to am i not?

Still not seeing any.

You couldn't help yourself hahahahaha big troll you

Right.. I ask a factual-based question, and you flame me rather than answering it, and that makes me a troll. Gotcha.
 

Third_Eye

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What part of no Court Decision on these issues has ever been made, do you not understand?

You seem to think an untested allegation is all that is needed.

In a Court, witnesses can be cross examined, things taken out of context, can be placed in their proper context, etc.
Yes, I would have loved to have Intel executives swear an Oath and state things. And so will Ted Waitt, HP CEO as well as Michael Dell. That would have made my day.

As I said, AMD needed cash desperately as well as spin-off the manufacturing to ATIC. So it agreed to drop its complaints and Intel provided it with a billion and a quarter dollars and more for that. At the time of settlement, Intel regained its CPU dominance in all sectors excepts some server areas and AMD was competing purely on price alone.

If you think going to court and even winning is all it takes, look up Aureal 3D vs. Creative. Aureal defended and won the patent infringement battle in court, but by the court cases and lawyer fees had bled its resources to the point that Aureal filed for bankruptcy and finally the assets of Aureal were purchased from the bankruptcy trustee by Creative.

LOL! Who did not want to go to court? Who settled out of court? A company of Intel's might, size and resources could have easily prolonged the misery AMD was in at that time. But instead pay AMD 1.25B USD. Go and read the Settlement Agreement especially section

2.1.n and 2.2.n as to what Intel will "not do".
This unfortunately is the closest you can find to Intel accepting what they have done by stating something akin to ...Going forward we will not be doing a) b) c)...
 

Piroko

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Given that your post is contentless, that suggests far more that you are in an "army" than anyone else.

Maybe you can explain how it is that AMD had its peak of success right after the supposed Intel illegal activities, and therefore how that accounts for their decline years later?

I won't hold my breath.
I fail to see the correlation that you're trying to create here. You seem to argue that Intel hasn't done anything anticompetitive because AMD was still successful.
Fun fact: The link I posted earlier already covered your argument very nicely.
 

Third_Eye

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And AMD just accepted $1.3Billion instead of waiting to be awarded $30+ Billion because their case was so strong.

Funny things can happen in a Court Case, we saw how the OJ Simpson jury got blindsided.

Why would Intel put their shiny Rolls Royce into a game of Chicken with AMD's clapped out rust bucket, when for them a trivial amount guarantees they don't have to worry about a lunatic in a death trap vehicle trying to run them off the road.

Most of the fines that Intel would have paid if the complaints had gone forward would have gone to the various countries and their governments and very little to AMD. AMD would have had to open separate civil cases to get the money in each jurisdiction using the respective Trade commission's decision to add strength.
 

Abwx

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@Charles
BD parts were launched in 2011... Check your facts first.

Opteron64 window launch is also flawed , actualy it was
launched in March/April 2003 , yet according to the curve
it still didnt gain significant market share two years later despite
being notably better than the competition , one can only wonder why...
 
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