The Rockettes Have a Choice—Perform for Trump or Lose Their Jobs

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HomerJS

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*sigh* You silly lefties.... you'll defend/excuse the actual rapists on your "side" and accuse the innocent of it instead...

The world grows so weary of your hypocrisy.
Only CBD can explain not knowing the difference between not performing for one person who is admitted predator vs not performing for a specific group. If the Rocketts refused to perform for white people you would have a point.
 

werepossum

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Actually it is pretty obvious that they are not a "public business" (technically "place of public accommodation") to anyone that has read the relevant law(s) and understands why they exist.
So your head would not be 'sploding were the Rockettes refusing to perform at a gay-led function? Shens. SHENS, I say!

Either businesses have to treat everyone equally, or they do not. No protected groups. No "it's alright to refuse to serve this guy, he's icky". This attitude is one big reason we have Trump.
 

MrSquished

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So your head would not be 'sploding were the Rockettes refusing to perform at a gay-led function? Shens. SHENS, I say!

Either businesses have to treat everyone equally, or they do not. No protected groups. No "it's alright to refuse to serve this guy, he's icky". This attitude is one big reason we have Trump.

Of course you wouldn't support anti discrimination laws based upon a selfie of your favorite party's interns, and a breakdown of who is in power in Washington. Hint: the diversity in Congress is not because Repubs.

To start with, mostly white males with a decent amount of mostly blonde females (gender is actually a protected anti-discrimination group):



but when it comes to who is actually in power:









The vast majority of diversity in Congress comes from Democrats:

 

HomerJS

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So your head would not be 'sploding were the Rockettes refusing to perform at a gay-led function? Shens. SHENS, I say!

Either businesses have to treat everyone equally, or they do not. No protected groups. No "it's alright to refuse to serve this guy, he's icky". This attitude is one big reason we have Trump.
Not serving someone because of bad behavior is common in business "No shoes, no shirt, no service". Not serving someone because of being a self admitted sexual predator is different then not serving someone just because of who they are.
 

K1052

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So your head would not be 'sploding were the Rockettes refusing to perform at a gay-led function? Shens. SHENS, I say!

Generally speaking you can't force anybody who could plausibly be labeled an artist to preform against their will absent a contractual obligation. The Rockettes themselves aren't a "place of public accommodation" but public venues they preform AT would be.
 
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Not serving someone because of bad behavior is common in business "No shoes, no shirt, no service". Not serving someone because of being a self admitted sexual predator is different then not serving someone just because of who they are.
Sorry, but i've actually been with a large group of women at a "girls night out party" or out with a bunch of guys for any sports night you care to name and have heard far worse from both groups than what Trump said. I bet you listen to music every day that says far worse and yet with the typical pucker face of a whiny liberal you pretend your opponent is worse and you are pure and pristine. Guess what ? No one believes you or really cares as proved by the election.
 

HomerJS

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Sorry, but i've actually been with a large group of women at a "girls night out party" or out with a bunch of guys for any sports night you care to name and have heard far worse from both groups than what Trump said. I bet you listen to music every day that says far worse and yet with the typical pucker face of a whiny liberal you pretend your opponent is worse and you are pure and pristine. Guess what ? No one believes you or really cares as proved by the election.
My guess if you provided a service where one of the guys grabbed your johnson because he is famous and can, you would refuse service.
 

fskimospy

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So your head would not be 'sploding were the Rockettes refusing to perform at a gay-led function? Shens. SHENS, I say!

Either businesses have to treat everyone equally, or they do not. No protected groups. No "it's alright to refuse to serve this guy, he's icky". This attitude is one big reason we have Trump.

Businesses DO have to treat everyone equally, which of course is the whole point of public accommodation laws. Everyone is protected exactly equally by them for their intrinsic attributes and no one is protected from the consequences of their actions.

Every businesss has the right to say that they will not serve someone because of their despicable actions. The Rockettes are well within their rights to show that they find Trump's bad behavior beneath them.
 

Blackjack200

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Businesses DO have to treat everyone equally, which of course is the whole point of public accommodation laws. Everyone is protected exactly equally by them for their intrinsic attributes and no one is protected from the consequences of their actions.

Every businesss has the right to say that they will not serve someone because of their despicable actions. The Rockettes are well within their rights to show that they find Trump's bad behavior beneath them.

Honestly this doesn't seem like such a difficult concept.
 

baydude

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What part is fake?

Are you saying the dancers really want to perform for Trump and the story they have to or be fired is a lie?

Mr. Trump’s inauguration has been a popular opportunity: “In fact, for the coming inauguration, we had more Rockettes request to participate than we have slots available. We eagerly await the inaugural celebrations.”
 

fskimospy

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Not sure how you think a statement that some wanting to perform while others don't makes something fake.

Your continuing attempts to brand all non right wing news as fake is pathetic. It won't work outside the nutter bubble.
 

momeNt

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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/23/a...-to-play-trump-inauguration-company-says.html

“For a Rockette to be considered for an event, they must voluntarily sign up and are never told they have to perform at a particular event, including the inaugural,” the statement read. “It is always their choice.”

Seems like the basis for the story possibly came from the workers union, not the company.

Despite these assurances, many of the women may feel under pressure to perform. Much of the fear and confusion could be traced to an email sent on Thursday night by the union to some of the dancers.

“If you are full time, you are obligated,” said that message, which was forwarded to The New York Times. “Doing the best performance to reflect an American institution which has been here for over 90 years is your job. I hope this pulls into focus the bottom line on this work.”

This seems more a semi-story, that was taken somewhat out of context to appear scandalous. The real story here is some pretty questionable union representation.
 

umbrella39

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While I think they should just do their job I am having a VERY fun time reading the old tried and true low information GOP supporters false equivalence replies here. WHY oh WHY do you TrumpTards think this is a suitable debate tactic? It just makes you look like you crawled from the drained swamp...

In addition, reading some folks "version" of what is and isn't equal protection/public accommodation is a fucking hoot...
 

momeNt

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No, seems the news was right. Remember, fake news is not just news that you don't like.

I mean sort of? But the headline of the article is actually based on the only piece of uncorroborated information that they had available to them. Granted it's not like what passes for news nowadays has a very high standard as far as the truth or fact-checking, so it's not like they are doing anything unheard of.

Perez Hilton also claims to have a source who told him “the union who represents the Rockettes told the group of girls who contracted to do ALL promo events, that if they don’t perform in the Trump inauguration, they will be sued/and or fired,” a threat not found in the letter obtained by Broadwayworld.com.
 

fskimospy

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I mean sort of? But the headline of the article is actually based on the only piece of uncorroborated information that they had available to them. Granted it's not like what passes for news nowadays has a very high standard as far as the truth or fact-checking, so it's not like they are doing anything unheard of.

It wasn't uncoroborated, it came from the letter from the union, which is hardly a bad source. Whether or not that ended up being the case it's a perfectly reasonable thing to report and is in no way 'fake'.

It seems that people are really threatened by admitting they were taken in by all the right wing fake news and are trying to find ways to apply it to all news so it loses its meaning. It's a weird and sad act of willful self delusion.
 

fskimospy

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Guess that must be true in your case. Hmmmm you're not much different than the other side.

Nah, not true for me. Glad to see you've shifted to this from your previous contributions of complaining about other people complaining about Trump though!
 

werepossum

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Not serving someone because of bad behavior is common in business "No shoes, no shirt, no service". Not serving someone because of being a self admitted sexual predator is different then not serving someone just because of who they are.
But that is EXACTLY the argument of the anti-gay bakers - these people engage in behavior that is offensive to me, and I am therefore not going to do business with them.

Generally speaking you can't force anybody who could plausibly be labeled an artist to preform against their will absent a contractual obligation. The Rockettes themselves aren't a "place of public accommodation" but public venues they preform AT would be.
So as long as the anti-gay bakers call themselves the Culinary Arts Studio, you'd be fine with them refusing to bake their culinary creations for gay weddings? Again, I call shens.

Sorry, but i've actually been with a large group of women at a "girls night out party" or out with a bunch of guys for any sports night you care to name and have heard far worse from both groups than what Trump said. I bet you listen to music every day that says far worse and yet with the typical pucker face of a whiny liberal you pretend your opponent is worse and you are pure and pristine. Guess what ? No one believes you or really cares as proved by the election.
Yes, but the point is that this is not the sort of behavior one should seek out in a leader. One trusted with the extreme power of the Presidency should first and foremost be of very good character, because much of a President's power is necessarily wielded behind closed doors and often without much of a check. I'm not arguing that Hillary meets that criterion, but Trump misses it even more. (For the record, I voted for the pot farmer, who in my opinion has so much character it's coming out of him in billowing, pungent smoke clouds. So I don't really have a dog in this fight except that the ring is MY country too and the winner represents it and to an extent, runs it.)

Businesses DO have to treat everyone equally, which of course is the whole point of public accommodation laws. Everyone is protected exactly equally by them for their intrinsic attributes and no one is protected from the consequences of their actions.

Every businesss has the right to say that they will not serve someone because of their despicable actions. The Rockettes are well within their rights to show that they find Trump's bad behavior beneath them.
But again, this is EXACTLY what the anti-gay bakers believe of homosexuals and is the total reason for their refusal to bake cakes for gay weddings. They believe that homosexuality (or at the least, a homosexual sex act) is a despicable action because it is an offense to G-d and thus offensive to themselves as true believers. They don't even refuse service to homosexuals, only refusing service where that behavior is integral to the occasion. This is exactly analogous to Trump's behavior and the Rockette's belief.

Everyone needs to be treated equally. Either businesses should be able to discriminate based on past behavior - what someone does, what someone is morally according to their behavior in the proprietor's judgement - or they should not. Personally I believe that the only behavior which should be relevant is that at the moment. If someone is engaging in gay sex while trying to order (or consume) a cake, or Trump is molesting women in the Rockette's office, then fine, deny service. Otherwise, recognize that opinions are like assholes and do your damned job.
 

fskimospy

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But that is EXACTLY the argument of the anti-gay bakers - these people engage in behavior that is offensive to me, and I am therefore not going to do business with them.

So as long as the anti-gay bakers call themselves the Culinary Arts Studio, you'd be fine with them refusing to bake their culinary creations for gay weddings? Again, I call shens.

Yes, but the point is that this is not the sort of behavior one should seek out in a leader. One trusted with the extreme power of the Presidency should first and foremost be of very good character, because much of a President's power is necessarily wielded behind closed doors and often without much of a check. I'm not arguing that Hillary meets that criterion, but Trump misses it even more. (For the record, I voted for the pot farmer, who in my opinion has so much character it's coming out of him in billowing, pungent smoke clouds. So I don't really have a dog in this fight except that the ring is MY country too and the winner represents it and to an extent, runs it.)

But again, this is EXACTLY what the anti-gay bakers believe of homosexuals and is the total reason for their refusal to bake cakes for gay weddings. They believe that homosexuality (or at the least, a homosexual sex act) is a despicable action because it is an offense to G-d and thus offensive to themselves as true believers. They don't even refuse service to homosexuals, only refusing service where that behavior is integral to the occasion. This is exactly analogous to Trump's behavior and the Rockette's belief.

How many times do you think this has been explained to you? At least you have stopped trying to say that public accommodation laws only protect specific groups so that's an improvement.

SCOTUS has held that you can't get around public accommodation laws by simply shifting your explanation to acts that are an inherent part of the group you are trying to discriminate against. For example you can't say 'I don't discriminate against Jews, I'm just against the ACT of reading the Torah!'

By your 'logic' no one could be discriminating against anyone for their intrinsic attributes ever as you can always find an action to substitute.

Everyone needs to be treated equally. Either businesses should be able to discriminate based on past behavior - what someone does, what someone is morally according to their behavior in the proprietor's judgement - or they should not. Personally I believe that the only behavior which should be relevant is that at the moment. If someone is engaging in gay sex while trying to order (or consume) a cake, or Trump is molesting women in the Rockette's office, then fine, deny service. Otherwise, recognize that opinions are like assholes and do your damned job.

Everyone most certainly needs to be treated equally, which is the whole point of public accommodation laws. Unless you're saying that being a sex offender is an intrinsic part of who Donald Trump is you have no case.
 
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