The Ryzen "ThreadRipper"... 16 cores of awesome

[frowertr]

Cooling? This is designed for servers. OEMs will figure out the cooling issue and take care of that.

 

[Topweasel]

Cooling? This is designed for servers. OEMs will figure out the cooling issue and take care of that.

Not it isn't. The socket may be. But ThreadRipper as Threadripper is targeted at Consumers.

 

[T1beriu]

I'll fix that for you.

Threadripper is targeted at prosumers.

 

[Topweasel]

I'll fix that for you.

Yeah sure lets call it that. But even for system builders it will mean more normal cooling options and not OEM's designing the whole case around the cooling like the OEM and Server markets. For the end user builder it will mean finding and cooling the CPU by their choice.

 

[ddogg]

I think most users who can afford to drop a grand or more on a CPU can afford to custom water cool this, unless they choose to have it air-cooled. I would be watercooling it if/when I get it.

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[dave_the_nerd]

Not it isn't. The socket may be. But ThreadRipper as Threadripper is targeted at Consumers.

Then consumers will figure it out, just like they do for any other extreme CPU.

Passively cooled Threadripper build using custom-machined copper heat sinks and a $500 Lian Li case in 3... 2... 1...

 

[scannall]

I think most users who can afford to drop a grand or more on a CPU can afford to custom water cool this, unless they choose to have it air-cooled. I would be watercooling it if/when I get it.

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If I pick one up, it'll certainly be air cooled. Water cooling makes my skin crawl... I know a lot of you like it, and it can look cool but it just isn't for me.

 

[w3rd]

Yeah sure lets call it that. But even for system builders it will mean more normal cooling options and not OEM's designing the whole case around the cooling like the OEM and Server markets. For the end user builder it will mean finding and cooling the CPU by their choice.

I do not see cooling being an issue for those who move into AMD's x399 platform. We have had CPUs in the past, that used higher wattage than todays chips. No to mention "Jack" (ie: my nickname for ThreadRipper), will have more surface area, thus more thermal transfer. And obviously, brands like Corsair will have AIO water cooling solutions for X399. win/win

IDK why people use heat sinks anymore, it is backwards technology.

 

[ddogg]

If I pick one up, it'll certainly be air cooled. Water cooling makes my skin crawl... I know a lot of you like it, and it can look cool but it just isn't for me.

I've been water-cooling for 5 years now and won't go back to air for my main rig. It is really expensive especially if you go crazy with fittings and hardline builds but the performance and looks make it worthwhile to me. Only my headless HTPC is air-cooled and will remain so.

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[Topweasel]

I do not see cooling being an issue for those who move into AMD's x399 platform. We have had CPUs in the past, that used higher wattage than todays chips. No to mention "Jack" (ie: my nickname for ThreadRipper), will have more surface area, thus more thermal transfer. And obviously, brands like Corsair will have AIO water cooling solutions for X399. win/win

IDK why people use heat sinks anymore, it is backwards technology.

You keep saying your nickname. I said it first.

As for cooling. There will be coolers I am not worried my response was in regards to it being a Server CPU so the OEMs would worry about it.

 

[dnavas]

Yes, no, kinda, maybe.

There are workloads within workflows which scale well (example: CFD computation) - but there are workloads within workflows that don't scale so well (example: CFD meshing or post-processing).

Yeah, exactly this. And the limits of where the balance exists keeps changing. Video encoding parallelizes really well, video decoding *can*, but h264 is designed to decode a single slice in a single thread, so if one core can keep pace given the slice size and framerate, you can edit many streams all at the same time. If it can't, you're sol. Ryzen is an amazing 1080p editing platform. It can *probably* keep up with single-slice 4k30p at about 4.5Ghz, and I say probably, because I can't run Ryzen at 4.5Ghz :> There's a point where it falls over. And then there's the stuff that doesn't scale at all, like stabilization.

I hope for a better balance from Zen.

At the end of the day, if the serial bits run fast enough, you can go wider. We all hope the serial bits run fast enough! At least in my case, the serial bits run at the same time as the parallel bits, so it hardly matters what the boost clock is, except as an indicator for where I can expect an OC to fall over....

Bolting together 2x 1800X would be 95W x2 = 190W.
Assuming they reduce the clockspeeds by about 100MHz off the 1800X clocks, you could conceivably get 16 cores in around a 150W TDP package. That last 100MHz requires a ridiculous amount more voltage.

If top-speed is 3.5G all core, I'm a definite pass. I'm OC'ing my 1800x to 3.9G, and BW-e goes well above that. What I see for CPU power consumption is ~110W while editing, ~145W during encoding, and ~165W if I slam the thing with Prime. I need to be stable during encoding (I'm doing a six hour encode right now, which would theoretically halve on ThreadRipper). That's 290W off the CPU alone. It might be doable, but not through a single 120mm case fan.

 

[IEC]

Yeah, exactly this. And the limits of where the balance exists keeps changing. Video encoding parallelizes really well, video decoding *can*, but h264 is designed to decode a single slice in a single thread, so if one core can keep pace given the slice size and framerate, you can edit many streams all at the same time. If it can't, you're sol. Ryzen is an amazing 1080p editing platform. It can *probably* keep up with single-slice 4k30p at about 4.5Ghz, and I say probably, because I can't run Ryzen at 4.5Ghz :> There's a point where it falls over. And then there's the stuff that doesn't scale at all, like stabilization.

At the end of the day, if the serial bits run fast enough, you can go wider. We all hope the serial bits run fast enough! At least in my case, the serial bits run at the same time as the parallel bits, so it hardly matters what the boost clock is, except as an indicator for where I can expect an OC to fall over....

If top-speed is 3.5G all core, I'm a definite pass. I'm OC'ing my 1800x to 3.9G, and BW-e goes well above that. What I see for CPU power consumption is ~110W while editing, ~145W during encoding, and ~165W if I slam the thing with Prime. I need to be stable during encoding (I'm doing a six hour encode right now, which would theoretically halve on ThreadRipper). That's 290W off the CPU alone. It might be doable, but not through a single 120mm case fan.

Yes, but assuming your workload scales reasonably well (I have some that do, and some that don't) even 3.6GHz 16-core would be better versus the 1800X. In any event I expect it will have the same "ceiling" as the 1800X around 4.1GHz max. If it can achieve that at less voltage versus consumer Ryzen I would be very pleased, even if I had to pay a little extra for a top-end binning.

 

[Ajay]

Yes, but assuming your workload scales reasonably well (I have some that do, and some that don't) even 3.6GHz 16-core would be better versus the 1800X. In any event I expect it will have the same "ceiling" as the 1800X around 4.1GHz max. If it can achieve that at less voltage versus consumer Ryzen I would be very pleased, even if I had to pay a little extra for a top-end binning.

Overclocking these suckers to the max will require custom H2O (though not a high end setup). The power consumption will probably be twice what it is at stock. Curious if the latest stepping (B2?) is being used for Snowy Owl and if it brings higher clocks to the Zeppelin SoC.

 

[ultimatebob]

Not it isn't. The socket may be. But ThreadRipper as Threadripper is targeted at wealthy people and hardware geeks who want to brag about their giant e-peen.

Fixed that for you.

 

[Topweasel]

Fixed that for you.

I don't know, there is a market for the average user who wants more cores for at home work but still game. Sure if it's north of 1k for both versions it's mostly for epeen. But a $700 12 core is awfully tempting.

Also just having a CPU called ThreadRipper regardless of market and cost has to be worth something on its own.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I've been water-cooling for 5 years now and won't go back to air for my main rig. It is really expensive especially if you go crazy with fittings and hardline builds but the performance and looks make it worthwhile to me. Only my headless HTPC is air-cooled and will remain so.

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I used to swear that I'd never go back to air but here I am so I'll have to wait and see what conditions are present with these new cpu's before I pass judgement on what cooling I'd use on them.

 

[w3rd]

I don't know, there is a market for the average user who wants more cores for at home work but still game. Sure if it's north of 1k for both versions it's mostly for epeen. But a $700 12 core is awfully tempting.

Also just having a CPU called ThreadRipper regardless of market and cost has to be worth something on its own.

Gut feeling, but I think AMD might target the more than just enthusiast, but a good majority of mainstream Gamers with their R9 HEDT platform (x399). Why not..?

It's worth considering that 8core Ryzen7 might get a quick re-spin, when Jack (R9) debuts on x399. It was mentioned, that AMD has plans to make continuous updates to Zen's new uArch. So towards the end of the year, we may see significant increase in wafer yields and perhaps a crafty marketing move by dropping the prices on AM4 platform's R3 ~ R7 chips.

Obviously Ryzen is going to have steppings & it is going to happen sooner or later. But I am betting on AMD to be aggressive with their fabs & process. So it is not hard to imagine by December a slightly mature (6C/12T) Ryzen5 1600, selling at $189..?

And perhaps even the "entry level" 8C/16T Ryzen7 1700 @ $289.?


And again, AMD targeting Gamers looking (ie: dreaming) to go x399 HEDT, starting out with socket SP3(r), with a 10C/20T Ryzen9 @ $499 ..?

Let those potentials sink in..

 

[wildhorse2k]

I don't think Ryzen 9 will be for gamers. It's a server chip with 2 independent processors each having their own memory and PCIe lanes. It's not even HEDT, it's small scale server.

 

[Topweasel]

I don't think Ryzen 9 will be for gamers. It's a server chip with 2 independent processors each having their own memory and PCIe lanes. It's not even HEDT, it's small scale server.

Except they specifically stated that ThreadRipper was for ultra high-end gaming systems.

I get the point you are aiming that. But I think it's because of the market stagnation Intel done with out competition. Where 16 cores seems so far out from the desktop environment we can't get past the idea that it's a server chip. I mean in that way even an R7 is. Zen was built to be a scalable server chip from the beginning. But in the end ThreadRipper is a gaming CPU. If for no other reason than having enough PCIe lanes for almost 3x PCIe 16. Good chance we see boards with PLX chips to finish that off.

 

[T1beriu]

10C/20T Ryzen9 @ $499 ..?

I don't think that's going to happen because:

1. $499 is not an ultra-premium segment that AMD said is going for.

2. There are not going to be 10 core TR. Or 14. Because that's impossible. There are 4 or 5 threads with multiple pages where this has debunked. I think even this one has 2 pages about this.

Except they specifically stated that ThreadRipper was for ultra high-end gaming systems.

Hmmm.... No they did not? They said this is for ultra-premium HEDT. No mention of gaming. You can watch the launch again here. TR starts ar 28:20.

But in the end ThreadRipper is a gaming CPU

I'm pretty sure most HEDT CPUs get bought by digital content creators (games, VR, video, animators, image visualisation etc) than gamers, at least that's what I'm seeing.

LE:

3. There will not be a Ryzen 9 because ThreadRipper is the brandname for this lineup. It will probably be followed by a number, eg: Threadripper 1900/1950 etc.

 

[Glo.]

I don't think that's going to happen because:

1. $499 is not an ultra-premium segment that AMD said is going for.

2. There are not going to be 10 core TR. Or 14. Because that's impossible. There are 4 or 5 threads with multiple pages where this has debunked. I think even this one has 2 pages about this.



Hmmm.... No they did not? They said this is for ultra-premium HEDT. No mention of gaming. You can watch the launch again here. TR starts ar 28:20.

The price will be disruptive regardless.

Or rather: Price/performance ratio.

 

[ultimatebob]

I don't think Ryzen 9 will be for gamers. It's a server chip with 2 independent processors each having their own memory and PCIe lanes. It's not even HEDT, it's small scale server.

You're going to have trouble finding a game server that's designed to utilize 16 cores, let alone a game.

 

[postmortemIA]

If there will be ATX form factor motherboards (and indirectly, chipset support), this will find its way to gamers.

 

[Jan Olšan]

Seeing this talk about air coolers: note that Noctua presented heatsink for socket SP3 (as well as LGA 3647) a year ago at Computex 2016. So I bet they will offer either a special cooler, or a fitting kit for Threadripper.

 

[T1beriu]

If there will be ATX form factor motherboards (and indirectly, chipset support), this will find its way to gamers.

AMD said their targeting HEDT (High-End Desk-Top) with TR. There's no doubt TR will use ATX and thus enthusiast gamers will use it (if all those cores and threads get to be put to use).