The Second Amendment must go

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MagickMan

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so the gun owners would fight the non-gun owners or the military, who would be enforcing this?
My money is on the military.

The military wouldn't go to war with their own family, friends, and neighbors, it takes a special breed of fucked-up animal to mow down your countrymen while trying to take away their property. :\
 

LegendKiller

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We don't need to abolish the Second Amendment or attempt to ban guns. We do need to declare the NRA the terrorist organization that they've become over the last 35 years or so. Really we just need to interpret the Second Amendment the way it was written, intended to be interpreted, and was interpreted for the first 200 years of its existence.

Also, the restrictions on the CDC to study gun violence need to be lifted. Unfortunately the GOP knows if the CDC studies gun violence the results will prove that improved gun control will be beneficial, and the GOPs NRA masters won't allow that. And since the NRA WANTS there to be more violence and death at the hands of firearms, they can't have anything happen that might fix the problem. Because then they might not be able to pedal fear into people buying more guns.
How is the nra a terrorist organization?

Nothing really happened in Australia.

The vast majority of gun deaths are either suicides or gang members. I know that doesn't fit with the lefty agenda, but it is true.


Since gang members mostly use illegal guns and suicides are self perpetrated, gun control will really do nothing.

You would have better results putting ignition interlock in every vehicle to probably eliminate dwi deaths.
 

MagickMan

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Opponents of gun control are saying, as they do after every mass killing, that no law can unfailingly forestall a specific criminal.
Certain kinds of weapons, like the slightly modified combat rifles used in California, and certain kinds of ammunition, must be outlawed for civilian ownership. It is possible to define those guns in a clear and effective way and, yes, it would require Americans who own those kinds of weapons to give them up for the good of their fellow citizens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24VA0tTTsvM

No one needs to own a firearm whose only design is to kill people.


I do, because I may need to kill people. *shrug*
 

MagickMan

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Which is why I always find it funny when someone thinks our military would slaughter their own in the event of rebellion. It's not going to happen. There would be a military coup at most to put the government back into the hands of the people.

In fact, they're kind of required to place the country back into the hands of the people, if such a thing happened.

"Kill the millions of people who are rebelling against us for stripping away their rights."
"Umm, how about No? In fact, we're going to lock you in a cell and wait for a new congress to form."
 

Double Trouble

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Opponents of gun control are saying, as they do after every mass killing, that no law can unfailingly forestall a specific criminal.


And, like each previous time, they are 100% correct.

Certain kinds of weapons, like the slightly modified combat rifles used in California, and certain kinds of ammunition, must be outlawed for civilian ownership.


No, why?

It is possible to define those guns in a clear and effective way and, yes, it would require Americans who own those kinds of weapons to give them up for the good of their fellow citizens.
There is no "good of their fellow citizens", since it wouldn't do anything to stop criminals and terrorists. And no, I'm not giving up shit or my constitutional rights so some delusional idiot can feel safer.

No one needs to own a firearm whose only design is to kill people.
Says who? That's exactly what I want a firearm to be designed for. If some numbnut thinks it's not "needed" he doesn't have to buy or own a firearm. I'll make my own choices, thanks.
 

Double Trouble

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We don't need to abolish the Second Amendment or attempt to ban guns. We do need to declare the NRA the terrorist organization that they've become over the last 35 years or so.

Declare a group a terrorist organization because you disagree with their positions? Sounds like you really value that first amendment.

Really we just need to interpret the Second Amendment the way it was written, intended to be interpreted, and was interpreted for the first 200 years of its existence.

Seems like that's exactly how it's being interpreted currently.

Also, the restrictions on the CDC to study gun violence need to be lifted. Unfortunately the GOP knows if the CDC studies gun violence the results will prove that improved gun control will be beneficial

Center for Disease Control needs to "prove" that gun control will be beneficial? :whiste: The CDC needs to do what it was intended to do, not become yet another arm of the political process. We already have too much politics involved in agencies that should not be involved in politics.

And since the NRA WANTS there to be more violence and death at the hands of firearms

Have you neglected to take your anti-delusion meds lately?

Because then they might not be able to pedal fear into people buying more guns.

The people driving gun sales are the ones trying desperately to take guns and gun rights away from people. That fuels gun buyers more than anything else.
 

Venix

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Opponents of gun control are saying, as they do after every mass killing, that no law can unfailingly forestall a specific criminal.
Certain kinds of weapons, like the slightly modified combat rifles used in California, and certain kinds of ammunition, must be outlawed for civilian ownership. It is possible to define those guns in a clear and effective way and, yes, it would require Americans who own those kinds of weapons to give them up for the good of their fellow citizens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24VA0tTTsvM

No one needs to own a firearm whose only design is to kill people.


You're quite ignorant. Most mass shootings are committed with handguns. The few mass shootings committed with rifles are statistically no worse than those committed with handguns. In fact, the deadliest mass shooting in US history was perpetrated with .22 and 9mm handguns.

And no, it's certainly not possible to "define those guns in a clear and effective way." Ruger's Mini-14 is a semiautomatic rifle chambered in .223 that's widely used by farmers and ranchers for varmint control. It's identical in power and function to an AR-15, yet inarguably designed and used for pest control. A "combat rifle" definition that encompasses coyote rifles is obviously neither clear nor effective.
 

Darwin333

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In real practice I always find this argument hilarious....and delusional.

If the gvt had a reason to "go against someone", do you think that them owning guns would stop them? Do you think that in a hypothetical scenario of a clash of "the people" vs. "the government" the people have a chance, even with them owning guns?

Depends on how many of the "people" we are talking about. This country wouldn't stand for dozens of Waco style events happening on a weekly basis. In an all out armed revolt, which we will never see unless they cut off electricity and cable television for the entire country, I'm not sure that the .gov would have the stomach for it.
 

OutHouse

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Opponents of gun control are saying, as they do after every mass killing, that no law can unfailingly forestall a specific criminal.
Certain kinds of weapons, like the slightly modified combat rifles used in California, and certain kinds of ammunition, must be outlawed for civilian ownership. It is possible to define those guns in a clear and effective way and, yes, it would require Americans who own those kinds of weapons to give them up for the good of their fellow citizens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24VA0tTTsvM

No one needs to own a firearm whose only design is to kill people.


Fuck off commie. Go back to your collective and stfu.
 
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Greenman

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Fuck off commie. Go back to your collective and stfu.

That's a little harsh.
Lots of people led fearful lives, they want the government to protect them at any cost, and they're willing to give up other peoples freedom to achieve that feeling of increased safety. Also, after we've decided that constitutional rights can be stripped based on someone placing your name on a list, internment becomes the next simple step. That would make us a lot safer, all those people that someone decided are a threat could be locked away before they do something bad.
 

alcoholbob

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Hey OP ever thought about moving to Mexico? They have much more stringent gun laws than the U.S.
 

D-Man

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Personally, I am of the opinion that the cat is out of the bag. I just don't see how one can at this late date in our history, one that includes a high level of penetration of the love of firearms, can be undone or even why one would expect law abiding and responsible people like myself who own firearms, to want to surrender them. A huge industry exists that caters to the gun enthusiast and to hunting, target shooting and family plinking. I think you would have better luck and infinitely better success reducing gun violence, if, instead. we poured our resources into raising happy healthy children. The desire to kill is the result of self hate, a mental disease, a disease we all have and will not admit, and the greater the denial and repression of those kinds of feelings the more killing we will have. Humanity is sick and in deep need of love and understanding. We have been killing each other long before the invention of rocks.

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ivwshane

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Hey OP ever thought about moving to Mexico? They have much more stringent gun laws than the U.S.

If you are going to be shot or killed by American guns what would be the point?

Oh you were saying to go to Mexico because they have a better health care system to cover those injuries.
 

Knowing

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Oh look, it's this thread again.

1) you don't have the political capital to do it
2) the largest poll of law enforcement on the topic said the majority of them wouldn't support it or would actively undermine it
3) the fact that it can be depended on that after a shooting such as this someone comes up with this amazing and groundbreaking terrible idea is only going to sell more guns.

tl;dr - No.
 

alcoholbob

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If you are going to be shot or killed by American guns what would be the point?

Oh you were saying to go to Mexico because they have a better health care system to cover those injuries.

If you are getting killed by a Mexican cartel it's more likely to be at the end of an AK-47 than an American gun. Unless you are saying Russia has a AK-47 manufacturing plant in the United States that isn't following gun regulations.
 

HamburgerBoy

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Really we just need to interpret the Second Amendment the way it was written, intended to be interpreted, and was interpreted for the first 200 years of its existence.

Which was how? What gun regulations were passed in the 1800s that were challenged and necessitated a Supreme Court decision?
 

alcoholbob

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Why is it OK to remove the problem you see, and not the problem we see?

Your premise is false. I ascribe to the non-aggression principle, that's why I made a suggestion, instead of forcing him to move. Statists don't understand this and think my "suggestion" is equivalent to their world-view where everything must be resolved with government force. It's no more valid for me to force him to move than you and your ilk to force me to leave, the difference is statists believe its valid to use government force on the losing side of an election and I don't agree with state aggression.
 
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