The Second Amendment must go

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shady28

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Shred the constitution? Do you not know how things work? He wants to legally amend the constitution, which is the only way you can change it.


I haven't heard of anyone talking about an Amendment to the Constitution. The left won't do that because they are way, way far away from having the support to do that.

What I've been seeing are a lot of left Dems talking about passing 'laws'. You cannot amend the constitution by passing a law or an executive order. Thinking that you can modify the constitution in this way is likely the biggest 'shredding' of the constitution one could imagine.

The 2nd Amendment :

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


Militia - this word is often used by revisionists to modify its original meaning to give the perception it is talking about the military or police etc.

They were not talking about the military or any public / govt force.

This is what they were talking about :

"I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
- George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788



This is the process the left would need to follow :

Altering the Constitution consists of proposing an amendment or amendments and subsequent ratification. Amendments may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the state legislatures.[1] To become part of the Constitution, an amendment must be ratified by either—as determined by Congress—the legislatures of three-fourths of the states or State ratifying conventions in three-fourths states.
 

Darwin333

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anyway if you know any history you know how well trying to take away things away has worked LOL

It's worked pretty damn well in modern history. "First amendment zones" anyone? Police roadblocks questioning and searching people without probably cause or a warrant. Hell here in LA they can forcefully take a blood sample on the side of the road if you decline to incriminate yourself by taking a breathalyzer. Bulk spying without warrants by the NSA. Executing US citizens without due process.


I could go on and on but you should get the gist. The key is to whittle them down slowly and not all at once.
 

Blanky

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I haven't heard of anyone talking about an Amendment to the Constitution. The left won't do that because they are way, way far away from having the support to do that.

What I've been seeing are a lot of left Dems talking about passing 'laws'. You cannot amend the constitution by passing a law or an executive order. Thinking that you can modify the constitution in this way is likely the biggest 'shredding' of the constitution one could imagine.

The 2nd Amendment :




Militia - this word is often used by revisionists to modify its original meaning to give the perception it is talking about the military or police etc.

They were not talking about the military or any public / govt force.

This is what they were talking about :





This is the process the left would need to follow :

Altering the Constitution consists of proposing an amendment or amendments and subsequent ratification. Amendments may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the state legislatures.[1] To become part of the Constitution, an amendment must be ratified by either—as determined by Congress—the legislatures of three-fourths of the states or State ratifying conventions in three-fourths states.
I personally believe that it's quite obvious in light of the wording of the constitution and the way in which the country was founded (a war beginning because of the attempt to take military equipment), it's obvious the 2nd specifically guarantees rights not just to self defense (as SCOTUS has already ruled on) but on possession of arms capable of combating military (which SCOTUS will never admit).

The thing is the 2nd is already quite clearly infringed and not just in "commonsense" ways, but in clear ways contrary to the 2nd. There are states that require pistol permits simply to buy a commonly-used pistol, and these can be denied even to people who lack a criminal record. That is a lot of hoops to jump through.
 

Blanky

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I could go on and on but you should get the gist. The key is to whittle them down slowly and not all at once.
Yep, over time attrition through lots and lots of little laws can turn something plain and clear and almost totally bend it into something else. Then you can still have your amendments but they don't mean nearly as much.
 

Kwatt

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I could go on and on but you should get the gist. The key is to whittle them down slowly and not all at once.


This here!

I have never seen or heard someone say "Once we erode just this amendment just a little bit that will be the end".

Most of the time it's "This will be a good start".

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Knowing

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possession of arms capable of combating military (which SCOTUS will never admit).

The thing is the 2nd is already quite clearly infringed and not just in "commonsense" ways, but in clear ways contrary to the 2nd. There are states that require pistol permits simply to buy a commonly-used pistol, and these can be denied even to people who lack a criminal record. That is a lot of hoops to jump through.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black's_Law_Dictionary
Black's Law Dictionary is the most widely used law dictionary in the United States. It was founded by Henry Campbell Black (1860–1927). It is the reference of choice for definitions in legal briefs and court opinions and has been cited as a secondary legal authority in many U.S. Supreme Court cases.
You'll also note that the entry for "Arms" carries it's own legal citations.

The intent of the 2nd amendment is only in question by people who have no desire to understand it and every intention of making an end run around it.
 
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GarlicBreath

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I'm Canadian and I gotta laugh at Americans that come up here loaded for bear with belts of ammo and shoot up the forest hitting nothing.

We say keep them drunk and amused then their harmless. Meanwhile we will take out the game with one shot from a 30-30, SKS or 303.

One thing I do believe in is that Canadians should be allowed to carry a descent Pistol in the Bush.

They should be allowed to teach spelling in Canadian schools.
 

NAC4EV

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lol. Sure.


Why didn't you just say you use a matchlock and wear a coonskin hat.

Nothing special, It's a Thompson percussion.
I pour my own "mini balls" for my gun.
You should try pouring your own balls, you need some....
 

MongGrel

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Whatever floats your boat for a Thompson I guess.

Makes a nice hobby I guess.

Prefer pre loaded on mine.

 

MagickMan

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Says the guy that's ready and willing to kill Americans over a gun. You are a clueless dumbass psycho. Go clean a loaded gun

Why not remove the ? I already know you're a raging hypocrite, you have no problem with people dying to further your agenda. There's no reason to try and hide it. You revel in others dying in the hope that you'll see your own constitutional rights diminished. You're a saprophyte and one of the worst sorts of people imaginable, a sociopathic ideologue.

No. I don't want anyone to die "over a gun", I'm not like you. Our rights are about more than the implements to maintain them, but that's a subtlety you're too stupid to understand.
 

ivwshane

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Why not remove the ? I already know you're a raging hypocrite, you have no problem with people dying to further your agenda. There's no reason to try and hide it. You revel in others dying in the hope that you'll see your own constitutional rights diminished. You're a saprophyte and one of the worst sorts of people imaginable, a sociopathic ideologue.

No. I don't want anyone to die "over a gun", I'm not like you. Our rights are about more than the implements to maintain them, but that's a subtlety you're too stupid to understand.

You are projecting again and now you are backtracking your comments. People can read my comments and they can read yours, only one of us has said they'd be willing to kill Americans and that's you. You can justify it all you want but the fact still remains.
 

MagickMan

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You are projecting again

Nope, you're a genuine piece of shit. I'll fight, and would kill, to defend this country's rights and liberties, no secret there. You hope for killings, and even want other members here to die. That says it all.
 
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bshole

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Here's my favorite gun and my two kids (pic is 10 years old).



Here is a the first deer I killed with it.



Quit hunting 3 years ago....
 
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ivwshane

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Nope, you're a genuine piece of shit. I'll fight, and would kill, to defend this country's rights and liberties, no secret there. You hope for killings, and even want other members here to die. That says it all.

It does say it all, the problem for you is that it doesn't say what you think it says. It just highlights your delusions and your willingness to lie to yourself and anyone else to defend your position. It's ok you aren't alone, there is a whole group of people just like you who are willing to kill for their beliefs including those that believe the same basic principals as you but differ in the degree of their beliefs. I'll give you a hint, their initials are I S I S. Of course the difference is that they have the balls to kill themselves for their beliefs.
 

MongGrel

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Nice Rifle.



:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Just have a .223 rifle these days, not deer legal, but I do not hunt them myself these days.

Sold a pretty freaky Remington 9 MM rifle a few years back.

Was hotter than a 30-06.

 
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bshole

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Nice Rifle.



:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Just have a .223 rifle these days, not deer legal, but I do not hunt them myself these days.

Sold a pretty freaky Remington 9 MM rifle a few years back.


Remington 700s are awesome rifles. Very impressive. The real difference in our rifles though is the $800 gold ring Leupold scope on mine. It is a world changer. That scope on that rifle makes hunting a joke, just too damn easy. Always preferred bows to guns. I have taken about 30 deer in my life and only 5 of them were with a gun.
 

MongGrel

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The old fine haired Burris Scope on the .223 wasn't exactly cheap, cost about as much as this Winchester Special Varmint did. About $400 in 1984 or thereabouts.

I was walking around a gun show one time with that and a Remington Gold Medallion 9 MM trying to sell it, everyone kept trying to buy my little .223 Winchester.

Have had many bows in my lifetime also

Cheers.
 
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