The single mother of eight children planning a lavish Christmas - all funded by ...

[Zorkorist]

If Government would stop taxing, regulating, people, then maybe, just maybe, people like yourself could take your free money, or free time, and help others. Because, as I read your post, all I could think is that the Government can't (hasn't, will never) do this.

People, individually, can do this.

Individual Freedom allows for compassion on a grand scale. It also allows for correction, and castigation.

It's natural, and free.

-John

 

[justoh]

I think the closest analogy I can think of is the Welfare reform program that was initiated in WI back in 96 or 97. Something similar to that, but on steroids. Be firm, but compassionate.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Well played.




Nobody wants anyone dying in the streets. What we all want, I hope, is for people to take a little responsibility and having 8 kids when you can't even afford one is not taking responsibility for your own actions.

But that's the question. What do you do in a situation like this? Remembering all the while that someone like this is a tiny, tiny, tiny minority of the people on public assistance.

 

[Zorkorist]

There are huge numbers of people on the public dole, and in aggregate, they smile and laugh at the folks that work every day.

No, they aren't going to have a bountiful Christmas, but sure as shit, they didn't help my Christmas either.

From my perspective, they can eat shit.

-John

 

[WelshBloke]

Nobody wants anyone dying in the streets. What we all want, I hope, is for people to take a little responsibility and having 8 kids when you can't even afford one is not taking responsibility for your own actions.

With respect, thats not an answer.

The reality is that you've got a single mother with 8 kids and no funds of her own, what are you going to do?

Just complaining that you don't like the situation is just whinging if you don't have a better solution.

 

[Moonbeam]

2) they will never learn to fend for themselves, which makes you wonder if they are worth the money? Yes, that sounds cold and callous, and I would never truly want someone to be left out in the cold. But it makes you wonder what hope there is for such people. Some people are simply unrecoverable. And with that, they need to live with that choice.

It's not that they need to live with that choice. It's just that if you write then off they will have to. The point is that you don't focus your anxieties on them. People respond by being what you expect them to be, the messages you send them. A revolution in understanding is beginning to take place:

http://www.economist.com/news/inter...people-works-surprisingly-well-it-cannot-deal

https://decorrespondent.nl/541/Why-we-should-give-free-money-to-everyone/20798745-cb9fbb39

 

[Matt1970]

But that's the question. What do you do in a situation like this? Remembering all the while that someone like this is a tiny, tiny, tiny minority of the people on public assistance.

I say no more increases in benefits after your second kid.

 

[bshole]

I say no more increases in benefits after your second kid.

Beautiful, then other countries can have benefit drives using images of starving American children. Jesus get real. Letting American kids go hungry is simply not an option. The support for that is limited to the far far right and the uber wealthy.

Reality Check: 12% of our federal budget is used for safety net programs as opposed to 19% to support our optional military adventures. 12 FUCKING PERCENT is too much for you? Really?


http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=1258

 

[justoh]

Beautiful, then other countries can have benefit drives using images of starving American children.

Guess they aren't quite yet starving, exactly, but according to http://www.feedingamerica.org/hunge...ger/child-hunger/child-hunger-fact-sheet.html

... many US children are "food insecure," often going hungry. You probably already know this, but you did say previously that someone (forgot who) didn't speak for the country in response to my statement (more or less) that the US position is to ignore the problem, until those convicted of economically driven crime are incarcerated, and then to spend enormous sums of money housing and feeding them.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Beautiful, then other countries can have benefit drives using images of starving American children. Jesus get real. Letting American kids go hungry is simply not an option. The support for that is limited to the far far right and the uber wealthy.

Reality Check: 12% of our federal budget is used for safety net programs as opposed to 19% to support our optional military adventures. 12 FUCKING PERCENT is too much for you? Really?


http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=1258

I think that works out to be a cost of some $2500+ per person who works in the private sector to support others. Yes, I think that 12 fucking percent (and the military expenditures) is too much. Way too much.

 

[bshole]

I think that works out to be a cost of some $2500+ per person who works in the private sector to support others. Yes, I think that 12 fucking percent (and the military expenditures) is too much. Way too much.

Well that is your right. Here is what the alternative is, the safety net free society.....

Africa today, safety net free....

America yesterday, safety net free....

 

[WackyDan]

With respect, thats not an answer.

The reality is that you've got a single mother with 8 kids and no funds of her own, what are you going to do?

Let her and the kids suffer. Living in poverty with 1 child didn't prevent her or her boyfriend from have seven more. Get the disconnect there?

Until people are made to face reality and suffer for their decisions, they will keep making bad choices... and their children will end up making the same choices as well.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Well that is your right. Here is what the alternative is, the safety net free society.....

Africa today, safety net free....

America yesterday, safety net free....

Yup, 12% of a $3,500,000,000 budget or child starvation. Those are the only options... either / or, right?

 

[bshole]

Let her and the kids suffer. Living in poverty with 1 child didn't prevent her or her boyfriend from have seven more. Get the disconnect there?

Until people are made to face reality and suffer for their decisions, they will keep making bad choices... and their children will end up making the same choices as well.

Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?

Nuff said.

 

[Nebor]

But that's the question. What do you do in a situation like this? Remembering all the while that someone like this is a tiny, tiny, tiny minority of the people on public assistance.

Take away the kids, redistribute them to good homes, put the wailing, sobbing mom on TV, radio & newspapers for a week. Pay her nothing. Eventually people will learn that having children they can't afford in order to receive benefits isn't an option.

I think this is the best option. It doesn't punish the largely innocent children, but it severely punishes the mother. And it puts much needed kids into the domestic adoption system.

 

[bshole]

Yup, 12% of a $3,500,000,000 budget or child starvation. Those are the only options... either / or, right?

Well that is what people are on your side are calling for in this very thread.

 

[Nebor]

Let her and the kids suffer. Living in poverty with 1 child didn't prevent her or her boyfriend from have seven more. Get the disconnect there?

Until people are made to face reality and suffer for their decisions, they will keep making bad choices... and their children will end up making the same choices as well.

That's why you need to get the children away from those people. When you leave them there, they grow up only knowing how to live on the dole. Take the kids away from the parents. The kids and society will be better off for it, and the parents will be rightfully punished.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Well that is what people are on your side are calling for in this very thread.

The way I take the comments is to not make things too comfortable. If there was a little pain, a little discomfort that would likely make some people feel looking for work or bettering themselves to be able to look for work might look like a better option. I don't want to see any children, who didn't create the situation and really are innocent in the whole situation, to starve. That isn't at all what I am suggesting. But what should be a helping hand can be too easy, too good, and becomes a reward for doing nothing.

 

[feralkid]

Take away the kids, redistribute them to good homes, put the wailing, sobbing mom on TV, radio & newspapers for a week. Pay her nothing. Eventually people will learn that having children they can't afford in order to receive benefits isn't an option.

I think this is the best option. It doesn't punish the largely innocent children, but it severely punishes the mother. And it puts much needed kids into the domestic adoption system.

Largely innocent?

How is it in any way their fault for being born into poverty?

 

[Nebor]

Largely innocent?

How is it in any way their fault for being born into poverty?

The same way it's the fault of children being born into poverty in Mali or Ecuador. Just because they're born into poverty in America doesn't make it any different you racist.

 

[brandonb]

Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?

Nuff said.

Then feel free to donate your money and time to feed the hungry if that is what you call decency.

I'm with Wacky. There is no excuse for a single mother of 8 living on public assistance their entire life. That is just called poor decision making. I'm ok with her and her kids suffering. If her kids are suffering, maybe she'll learn to zip up the pants, and maybe she will tire of the constant crying and stop reproducing.

 

[inachu]

Village mentality in the city type folk do not mix very well.

 

[WelshBloke]

Let her and the kids suffer. Living in poverty with 1 child didn't prevent her or her boyfriend from have seven more. Get the disconnect there?

Until people are made to face reality and suffer for their decisions, they will keep making bad choices... and their children will end up making the same choices as well.

Luckily not many people want to live in the shitty society that you describe there so that won't happen again.

If you think that people being cripplingly poor stops them having kids you need to crawl out from under the rock.


Edit: You should read "The road to Wigan pier" by Orwell.

 

[Sir Thumpsalot]

Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?

Nuff said.

Says the one who supports killing innocent unborn children

 

[bshole]

Says the one who supports killing innocent unborn children

GOTCHA.... We have a winner. You are TexasHiker. No doubt about it. You have used that exact line hundreds of times under that moniker!