The Southern Poverty Law Center tags Moms for Liberty an extremist group

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fskimospy

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One thing I'm aware about. If Americans have brains, they would not fall for this kind of dirty trick by the left.
The ‘dirty trick’ being ‘publicly criticizing someone’.

You guys have a lot of growing up to do if you can’t take someone saying something mean about you.
 

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As I already told you SPLC’s designation is clearly their opinion and opinions *by definition* are not defamatory.
Then how do you explain this? https://www.newsweek.com/splc-nawaz-million-apologizes-981879

Nawaz, a former British politician who has railed against Islamic extremism and the false use of the Koran to incite violence around the globe, and Quilliam were incorrectly characterized and listed in the SPLC's "A Journalist's Manual: Field Guide to Anti-Muslim Extremists."

Nawaz, 40, announced the suit against SPLC in June of last year, and the organization admitted in its apology that it altered its position after several "human rights advocates affiliated with the United Nations" praised Nawaz's work.
 

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The ‘dirty trick’ being ‘publicly criticizing someone’.

You guys have a lot of growing up to do if you can’t take someone saying something mean about you.
The point is not saying mean things. The point has always been not to allow the left to get away with it.
 
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fskimospy

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Because his lawsuit alleged false statements of fact in support of that designation. The hate group designation itself is opinion and by definition cannot be defamatory. If you would like to bring up false statements of fact related to Moms For Liberty then we can talk. Otherwise it’s free speech that cannot be stopped.

Like I can call you a Nazi all day if I want because I think your free speech views are similar to theirs. I can say I think you’re a hate group. This is not defamation because it is clearly my opinion.
 

fskimospy

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The point is not saying mean things. The point has always been not to allow the left to get away with it.
I’m not sure you even know what you’re arguing anymore. You’re flailing about because you’re mad about ‘the left’.
 

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Because his lawsuit alleged false statements of fact in support of that designation. The hate group designation itself is opinion and by definition cannot be defamatory. If you would like to bring up false statements of fact related to Moms For Liberty then we can talk. Otherwise it’s free speech that cannot be stopped.

Like I can call you a Nazi all day if I want because I think your free speech views are similar to theirs. I can say I think you’re a hate group. This is not defamation because it is clearly my opinion.
These designations or labels are not infallible. There can and will be instances when a designation has been wrongly applied to an organization or group. If this is proven, this can be reversed in court.

Also refer this:

Categories of speech that are given lesser or no protection by the First Amendment (and therefore may be restricted) include obscenity, fraud, child pornography, speech integral to illegal conduct, speech that incites imminent lawless action, speech that violates intellectual property law, true threats, and commercial speech such as advertising. Defamation that causes harm to reputation is a tort and also an exception to free speech.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions

So there is a limit to free speech even in the US. Saying what you want has consequences too, sometimes in court.
 

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I’m not sure you even know what you’re arguing anymore. You’re flailing about because you’re mad about ‘the left’.
LOL, you think I'm arguing. I'm infact making a statement from my observations here. The same statement I made fifty fvcking posts ago: The left is trying its utmost to defame a political rival and the whole of P&N is clapping.
 

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These designations or labels are not infallible. There can and will be instances when a designation has been wrongly applied to an organization or group. If this is proven, this can be reversed in court.

Also refer this:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions

So there is a limit to free speech even in the US. Saying what you want has consequences too, sometimes in court.
Only if they are false statements of fact - opinions are not defamatory. This is simply how free speech in the US works - you are ignorant of the topic.
 

fskimospy

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LOL, you think I'm arguing. I'm infact making a statement from my observations here. The same statement I made fifty fvcking posts ago: The left is trying its utmost to defame a political rival and the whole of P&N is clapping.
You don’t understand what defamation is, at least in the US.
 

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Only if they are false statements of fact - opinions are not defamatory. This is simply how free speech in the US works - you are ignorant of the topic.

You don’t understand what defamation is, at least in the US.
Finally the final resort - you don't understand defamation.

Ha ha ha

Defame and slander your political rivals and then claim it was just a personal opinion. And who verifies the statement before issuing that 'opinion'? The Left, of course and P&N until the rubberstamp organization responsible for the rating gets dragged to the court.

If the conservatives have a brain, they won't let the left to get away with this.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/defamation
 
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ch33zw1z

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Finally the final resort - you don't understand defamation.

Ha ha ha

Defame and slander your political rivals and then claim it was just a personal opinion. And who verifies the statement before issuing that 'opinion'? The Left, of course and P&N until the rubberstamp organization responsible for the rating gets dragged to the court.

If the conservatives have a brain, they won't let the left to get away with this.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/defamation

Are you thinking that link supports your opinion?
 

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Are you thinking that link supports your opinion?
My entire opinion on this matter is that the left is attempting to derail Moms for Liberty before the next elections in your country and they shouldn't be allowed to get away with it. The only way they can see to derail it in the short term is to erect a barrier in the minds of the people by 'offering an opinion' (thats very important for you guys) that the group is extremist and get this 'anti government.' Ha ha ha

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...tics-after-attacking-schools-over-gender-race
 

ch33zw1z

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My entire opinion on this matter is that the left is attempting to derail Moms for Liberty before the next elections in your country and they shouldn't be allowed to get away with it.

You seems to arguing that you understand defamation law in the U.S. and that others here don't. You supplied a link. Is your opinion on the link that is supports your opinion on defamation law in the U.S.?

edit: you added more text and another link. Explain why that link is relative and / or supportive to any of your opinions.
 
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fskimospy

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Finally the final resort - you don't understand defamation.

Ha ha ha

Defame and slander your political rivals and then claim it was just a personal opinion. And who verifies the statement before issuing that 'opinion'? The Left, of course and P&N until the rubberstamp organization responsible for the rating gets dragged to the court.

If the conservatives have a brain, they won't let the left to get away with this.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/defamation
Right, I’m saying you keep claiming opinions are defamatory, which indicates you don’t know what deflation is, at least in the US.

As for who verifies it is opinion that is either a judge or a jury, not ‘the left’.
 

Braznor

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You seems to arguing that you understand defamation law in the U.S. and that others here don't. You supplied a link. Is your opinion on the link that is supports your opinion on defamation law in the U.S.?

edit: you added more text and another link. Explain why that link is relative and / or supportive to any of your opinions.
I did claim a fvck about what others are saying.

My link is for showing what the left is fearful about Moms for Liberty.
 

ch33zw1z

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I did claim a fvck about what others are saying.

My link is for showing what the left is fearful about Moms for Liberty.

Wut? You clearly disagree with other posters defamation interpretation.

You can’t be this dumb, right?

How is the pbs article you linked supportive on your opinion?

How is the Cornell law link supportive of your interpretation of defamation law?

Answers please, less vulgarity and mean words, more substance please. This is, after all, what you’re requesting from “the left”
 

Braznor

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Wut? You clearly disagree with other posters defamation interpretation.

You can’t be this dumb, right?

How is the pbs article you linked supportive on your opinion?

How is the Cornell law link supportive of your interpretation of defamation law?

Answers please, less vulgarity and mean words, more substance please. This is, after all, what you’re requesting from “the left”
Vulgar words eh? Go through my posts and tell me which word was vulgar?
 

Braznor

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Yep, but then again he never honestly engages in these threads as the w1z pointed out he just moves from one deflection to the next.
I said everything that needs to be said by me. The left is trying to delegitimize its opposition before the next elections. Anything else above this is just cherry.
 
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