The state of DX12 on Fermi

Magic Carpet

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Got one GT 610 (520 rebrand) and all I get is black screen trying to install the latest G drivers on W10. WU drivers work fine though. What gives?

Reading this thread, not much love Fermi has gotten so far.

Might as well put on ebay, this outdated junk. Kepler still works fine for HTPC purposes, though. Luckily
 
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TheRyuu

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Currently Fermi supports WDDM 2.0 and DX 11.3. If they decided to keep their promise of supporting DX12 on these cards my guess is that you might see support when they release a new driver branch (i.e. when the 4xx branch comes).
 

Raduque

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I'm using the latest driver from the nVidia website for the Fermi 400 series. 364.xx? It's running fine on my GTX460 in Windows 10.
 

RussianSensation

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Got one GT 610 (520 rebrand) and all I get is black screen trying to install the latest G drivers on W10. WU drivers work fine though. What gives?

Reading this thread, not much love Fermi has gotten so far.

Might as well put on ebay, this outdated junk. Kepler still works fine for HTPC purposes, though. Luckily

I had a spare 620, brand new that I bought for a good price many years ago. The intention was to use it for dual-monitors (dual DVI) and as a backup during those times when I resell my GPUs. Then I realized any new monitor I buy will have either HDMI or DisplayPort or both anyway so I don't need Dual Dual Link DVI. I also realized I want a back up card for a while so I didn't want to deal with Windows 10 driver issues over the next 5 years. Then I thought hmmm, the market for low end Dual Dual Link DVI cards is low and someone using Windows 7/8/8.1 would appreciate this card. At the same time it would be easy to sell since 610/620 sounds way newer than GT420/430/440/530, etc. even though they are the same outdated tech:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5845/nvidia-launches-fermi-based-geforce-gt-610-gt-620-gt-630-into-retail

I sold the 620 for $25 and got a 750 as a backup for $50. Solved all the headaches. Then I realized, it's even better to sell the 750 and buy AMD cards to mine currency so no point in even having $50 tied up in a backup card that sits new in a box waiting for a rainy day. By the time it may be used, the 950 could be $50-60.

Long rant moral of the story is that sooner or later that GT610 will be useless anyway -- driver support will go away completely, it has no modern codecs for accelerating 4K, VP9, H.265, etc.; it has no HDMI 2.0a, cannot drive HDR displays, etc.

That means if you want a spare card to use for 5-10 years under Windows 10, it's probably not a good fit. Sell it now for $15-20 and just use that towards a deal on a GTX750/950, etc.

I took an even more proactive route. I sold my budget 750 spare too and bought a spare team red card that now makes $ mining. This way I am going to get a far more powerful spare or sell it once it's paid off and get a modern GPU later that will have 5-8 years of driver support.

In 2016, Fermi will become 3 architectures behind for NV, and by 2018, 4 behind. That means if you can pull $15-20 out of it now, soon that will be $0.

750Ti EVGA B-stock is already just $80. Once Pascal launches, I predict B-stock 950 for $80 and 750-750Ti will drop to $40-50.
http://www.evga.com/Products/ProductList.aspx?type=8
 

Deders

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From what I've seen so far, DX12 support is more down to whether the game developers decide to code with particular ranges of cards in mind.

But yeah not being able to install a driver on an older card they say it should support is a mistake that should be remedied soon
 

Magic Carpet

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Thanks guys. That GT610 is PCI 2.2 based, I keep it for legacy systems. Whenever I feel bored I can always fire up some ancient rig w/ an empty PCI slot for some DOS/3dfx action. Got it for $25 couple years go, not worried about its depreciation much. It's quite a slow card, though (and PCI makes it even slower).

I suppose, being PCI, is also the reason why I keep getting black screen w/ the latest drivers (not enough validation, being a non-standard SKU). Oh well, whatever the driver Microsoft team provided, works fine with it. Picture quality is great.

Luckily, this is my last Fermi card that I decided to keep. Browsing the Geforce forums on a regular basis does cast some doubts about its future support, though. But again, not much worried about it.

Anyway, can you enable DX12 in recent games at all, or game support is non existent on Fermi still? Just curious. Fermi was good in compute, wasn't it, shouldn't it perform half decent in DX12 at all, theoretically?
 
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