The Strangest Disaster of the 20th Century

Page 2 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

Eli

Super Moderator | Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
50,422
8
81
Whoa.

I was glancing at the article again, and it struck me that their solution for lowering the CO2 levels in the lake would also be an excellent way to generate power! I wonder if any of the scientists have realized this.

They could reduce the CO2 levels to some pre-determined "safe" level, and then maintain them there - while producing power by utilizing the gas and/or water escaping out the chimneys.
 

destrekor

Lifer
Nov 18, 2005
28,799
359
126
Originally posted by: manowar821
This raises an interesting idea... Would CO2 suffocation be a more humane way to execute people?

yes, because you don't even suffocate in the normal sense. A few breaths of pure CO2 air would probably just kill you before you suffocated from a lack of oxygen. The accounts provided in the first link, and what I dug up from researching CO2 poisoning, is that the gas itself is poisonous and kills if too much is in the blood. Suffocating comes from the body parts needing oxygen and never getting it. Suffocating from no oxygen takes longer than the accounts suggest.

great links in this thread. the lake and... the lake.
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
63,390
11,742
136
There are still places in Wyoming's sour gas fields where people have suffocated from walking/driving into pockets of H2S that has formed in low places on the surface. I worked those sour gas fields in the mid-80's, and it's some spooky stuff. You MIGHT smell the first whiff of it you get, but it numbs/kills your sense of smell at a pretty low dose, and you don't smell the stuff that kills you. The H2S "displaces" the oxygen in your bloodstream, and you can suffocate, even if you get to clean air...nasty stuff.
from Widipedia:
"Hydrogen sulfide is considered a broad-spectrum poison, meaning that it can poison several different systems in the body, although the nervous system is most affected. The toxicity of H2S is comparable with that of hydrogen cyanide. It forms a complex bond with iron in the mitochondrial cytochrome enzymes, thereby blocking oxygen from binding and stopping cellular respiration. Since hydrogen sulfide occurs naturally in the environment and the gut, enzymes exist in the body capable of detoxifying it by oxidation to (harmless) sulfate. Hence low levels of sulfide may be tolerated indefinitely. However, at some threshold level, the oxidative enzymes will be overwhelmed. This threshold level is believed to average around 300-350 ppm. Many personal safety gas detectors are set to alarm at 10 PPM and to go into high alarm at 15 PPM (Utility, sewage & petrochemical workers).

An interesting diagnostic clue of extreme poisoning by H2S is the discoloration of copper coins in the pockets of the victim. Treatment involves immediate inhalation of amyl nitrite, injections of sodium nitrite, inhalation of pure oxygen, administration of bronchodilators to overcome eventual bronchospasm, and in some cases hyperbaric oxygen therapy.

Exposure to lower concentrations can result in eye irritation, a sore throat and cough, shortness of breath, and fluid in the lungs. These symptoms usually go away in a few weeks. Long-term, low-level exposure may result in fatigue, loss of appetite, headaches, irritability, poor memory, and dizziness. Higher concentrations of 700-800 ppm tend to be fatal.

0.0047 ppm is the recognition threshold, the concentration at which 50% of humans can detect the characteristic rotten egg odor of hydrogen sulfide [1]
10-20 ppm is the borderline concentration for eye irritation.
50-100 ppm leads to eye damage.
At 150-250 ppm the olfactory nerve is paralyzed after a few inhalations, and the sense of smell disappears, often together with awareness of danger,
320-530 ppm leads to pulmonary edema with the possibility of death.
530-1000 ppm causes strong stimulation of the central nervous system and rapid breathing, leading to loss of breathing;
800 ppm is the lethal concentration for 50% of humans for 5 minutes exposure(LC50).
Concentrations over 1000 ppm cause immediate collapse with loss of breathing, even after inhalation of a single breath.
A practical test used in the oilfield industry to determine whether someone requires overnight observation for pulmonary edema is the knee test: if a worker that gets "gassed" loses his balance and at least one knee touches the ground, the dose was high enough to cause pulmonary edema. This is important as the worker may feel fine after some fresh air, and not think medical attention is needed, but the onset of pulmonary edema may occur many hours later when the worker is asleep: the worker's lungs could fill with fluid, and the sedative effects of the gas may prevent the worker from waking up."

 

silent tone

Golden Member
Oct 9, 1999
1,571
1
76
Originally posted by: Eli
Whoa.

I was glancing at the article again, and it struck me that their solution for lowering the CO2 levels in the lake would also be an excellent way to generate power! I wonder if any of the scientists have realized this.

They could reduce the CO2 levels to some pre-determined "safe" level, and then maintain them there - while producing power by utilizing the gas and/or water escaping out the chimneys.

That's a good idea, but I don't think the volume of escaping gas/water would be economical. They want to use several 10 inch pipes to relieve the gas and hydroelectric dams use comparatively massive outlets.
 

Eli

Super Moderator | Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
50,422
8
81
Originally posted by: silent tone
Originally posted by: Eli
Whoa.

I was glancing at the article again, and it struck me that their solution for lowering the CO2 levels in the lake would also be an excellent way to generate power! I wonder if any of the scientists have realized this.

They could reduce the CO2 levels to some pre-determined "safe" level, and then maintain them there - while producing power by utilizing the gas and/or water escaping out the chimneys.

That's a good idea, but I don't think the volume of escaping gas/water would be economical. They want to use several 10 inch pipes to relieve the gas and hydroelectric dams use comparatively massive outlets.
Yeah, you're probably right. Still a neat idea though. You could get some power out of it.... Just probably not enough to make it worthwhile.
 

joecool

Platinum Member
Apr 2, 2001
2,936
2
81
hey, thanks, fascinating read for a friday afternoon before a long weekend ... when i don't want to work!
 
Oct 4, 2004
10,521
6
81
I learn something new every day. That's insane, incredible & tragic all at the same time :Q:shocked:

Great article - will check out the Lake Peigneur bit now.
 

chusteczka

Diamond Member
Apr 12, 2006
3,400
1
71
Originally posted by: Eli
Whoa.

I was glancing at the article again, and it struck me that their solution for lowering the CO2 levels in the lake would also be an excellent way to generate power! I wonder if any of the scientists have realized this.

They could reduce the CO2 levels to some pre-determined "safe" level, and then maintain them there - while producing power by utilizing the gas and/or water escaping out the chimneys.

Lake methane could power entire nation
 
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |