The suffering of the six-figure income earners, aka even the wealthy say that livin in San Francisco sucks

[fskimospy]

Yes, the blandness of not having homeless people everywhere. Or shit on the sidewalks. Or being able to afford a house. And having good schools for your kids. And services like supermarkets and hospitals close at hand. But hey if you New Yorkers want to pay an average of 65% or so of your income on rent, enjoy away!

Like I said, I’ve experienced both and I prefer the city. If you don’t, that’s fine too! You’re the one trying desperately to convince yourself that your way is better while I’m saying to each their own. (It is bizarre how you think hospitals and supermarkets wouldn’t be closer in the city though.)

As you mention, houses in the suburbs are usually way cheaper because there’s less demand. My apartment has appreciated enormously in value over the last five years thanks to people like you who don’t want to build more houses in desirable areas. If I wanted to I could sell my place and probably buy a house in the suburbs in cash with the proceeds. It should tell you just how attractive I find the suburbs that I don’t even want to live there for ‘free’.

 

[JSt0rm]

my property has jumped in value by 33% since 2014. Meanwhile that suburb house is worth mayebe the same or 5% more based on area.

 

[fskimospy]

my property has jumped in value by 33% since 2014. Meanwhile that suburb house is worth mayebe the same or 5% more based on area.

It is kind of funny that they are demanding housing policies that are enormously enriching us personally.

I guess it works for me either way. If we enact sane housing policy then the country will be better off and I would like that. If we don’t, I’ll just make a ton of money.

Up to you guys!

 

[Jhhnn]

So you guys are both the "economic drivers" and supporting the rest of us, but you can't (read: won't) act until the people you already said you're supporting agree to "help" support citizens that live in your jurisdiction and not ours? How would that work exactly - wait a second while us city folks generously give handouts to you suburban folks, and then we tax them back from you to pay for our citizens we didn't bother to tax ourselves to help in the first place." Sounds like a much more efficient system is that you city folks take care of your own homeless and stop thinking you are "helping" us suburbanites. If you haven't checked, our quality of life is actually much, much better than yours - primarily because we purposely left city folks like you behind.

So dishonest. Homeless people come from everywhere in this country, not just the urban core. They gravitate to the cities because that's where they can obtain at least some services. It's rural & suburban America pushing the damaged people & the down & out off onto the cities.

 

[ewdotson]

ITT: the board's liberals call for deregulation and free-market solutions and the board's conservatives somehow conclude that this is a bad thing. Do I have this about right?

 

[pmv]

So they work in the city and immediately flee it to go to their actual homes in the suburbs when their work day is done? Strange definition of "economic engine" to mean where people run away from as quickly as they can once they've earned their daily pay, not where people actually live and spend their money.

That doesn't really make any sense. Obviously the key question when it comes to an 'economic engine' is where are the jobs?

Yes, the blandness of not having homeless people everywhere. Or shit on the sidewalks. Or being able to afford a house. And having good schools for your kids. And services like supermarkets and hospitals close at hand. But hey if you New Yorkers want to pay an average of 65% or so of your income on rent, enjoy away!



Yeah, I think those people who choose to live in cities and vote for politicians to pay higher taxes should pay those higher local taxes to fix your local problems. Not wait until you can tax the suburbs to help fix those local problems of yours. I'm perfectly fine if places like NYC and SF raise their local taxes to 70%, 80%, or whatever level they want.

Not really an honest argument. Those aren't really 'local' problems, unless you allow for 'hard borders' at the boundaries of urban areas, complete with immigration control.

I suppose that's sort-of what China has traditionally done.

 

[glenn1]

ITT: the board's liberals call for deregulation and free-market solutions and the board's conservatives somehow conclude that this is a bad thing. Do I have this about right?

The conservatives don’t really give a shit what progressives do to themselves in their cities. We’re happy to simply nod grimly at their shit covered sidewalks and point it out to our kids as an object lesson of what not to do. Plus a containment strategy where we limit that situation from spreading by resisting all attempts for their politics to get adopted nationwide and fuck up our nice suburban lives.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

city life has its downsides and upsides. Just like rural life.

homeless is a "downside" ? Man you have some shit standards.

The point is, the liberal bungholes you guys love to idolize have historically the highest homeless, the most suffering, and the most crime per capita.

Enjoy your fucking utopia bitches.

 

[glenn1]

homeless is a "downside" ? Man you have some shit standards.

The point is, the liberal bungholes you guys love to idolize have historically the highest homeless, the most suffering, and the most crime per capita.

Enjoy your fucking utopia bitches.

You don’t understand them at all. Folks like @fskimospy deeply fear of the conformism and blandness of the suburbs. Therefore millions of them all congregate into a small space like Brooklyn all dressing up like hipsters and indistinguishable from one another in their complaints about high rents and avoiding all the cultural attractions of their own cities. But at least they’re not suburbanites, they are the really bland ones. The city folks make it interesting with shitty schools right next to hyper exclusive ones, and homeless people shitting on the sidewalk right next to a billionaires gated mansion.

 

[K1052]

The conservatives don’t really give a shit what progressives do to themselves in their cities. We’re happy to simply nod grimly at their shit covered sidewalks and point it out to our kids as an object lesson of what not to do. Plus a containment strategy where we limit that situation from spreading by resisting all attempts for their politics to get adopted nationwide and fuck up our nice suburban lives.

For someone who doesn't care you post a lot about it.

 

[K1052]

homeless is a "downside" ? Man you have some shit standards.

The point is, the liberal bungholes you guys love to idolize have historically the highest homeless, the most suffering, and the most crime per capita.

Enjoy your fucking utopia bitches.

Are some cities crime ridden because they are largely liberal or because they've undergone some sort of economic collapse because industries folded or moved?

NYC for example is incredibly safe by American standards. St. Louis not so much.

 

[fskimospy]

homeless is a "downside" ? Man you have some shit standards.

The point is, the liberal bungholes you guys love to idolize have historically the highest homeless, the most suffering, and the most crime per capita.

Enjoy your fucking utopia bitches.

Is there any reason why you left out the fact that those ‘liberal bungholes’ are also by far the most economically productive parts of the country, ones that the rest of the country depends on to function?

It’s pretty fascinating how emotionally you guys are all reacting to this issue. Glenn is in full sputtering rage meltdown.

 

[fskimospy]

The conservatives don’t really give a shit what progressives do to themselves in their cities. We’re happy to simply nod grimly at their shit covered sidewalks and point it out to our kids as an object lesson of what not to do. Plus a containment strategy where we limit that situation from spreading by resisting all attempts for their politics to get adopted nationwide and fuck up our nice suburban lives.

Quoted for when you’re totally not mad and you totally don’t care about something.

 

[glenn1]

Quoted for when you’re totally not mad and you totally don’t care about something.

How is this hard? If we can contain the literally shitty part of cities and the contagion doesn’t spread to suburbs then do whatever the hell you want. If like anti-vaxxers we can’t ringfence the bad spillover to just you guys and your shit filled streets cause medieval style plagues that spread to suburbs then we start to care.

 

[ElFenix]

How is this hard? If we can contain the literally shitty part of cities and the contagion doesn’t spread to suburbs then do whatever the hell you want. If like anti-vaxxers we can’t ringfence the bad spillover to just you guys and your shit filled streets cause medieval style plagues that spread to suburbs then we start to care.

moocher

 

[fskimospy]

How is this hard? If we can contain the literally shitty part of cities and the contagion doesn’t spread to suburbs then do whatever the hell you want. If like anti-vaxxers we can’t ringfence the bad spillover to just you guys and your shit filled streets cause medieval style plagues that spread to suburbs then we start to care.

It’s not hard at all, I find your current irrational rage meltdown extremely funny.

By all means keep spinning yourself up even more! I’ll be here to watch.

 

[repoman0]

How is this hard? If we can contain the literally shitty part of cities and the contagion doesn’t spread to suburbs then do whatever the hell you want. If like anti-vaxxers we can’t ringfence the bad spillover to just you guys and your shit filled streets cause medieval style plagues that spread to suburbs then we start to care.

Glenn's strip mall infested dead suburban hellscape has nothing for him to do so he has to pretend to not be angry that his lifestyle is subsidized by cities on an obscure internet forum

I have never once seen shit on the streets in over 10 years living in Boston ... you sure you've ever set foot in a city?

 

[ElFenix]

i live in the burbs, it's not part of the city!
--glenn1, probably

 

[Jhhnn]

Glenn is in full sputtering rage meltdown.

I thought his raging about free market capitalist rent gouging in NYC was particularly poignant. Which very much affects the lives of people like AOC's constituents, but he can't figure that out, either.

 

[Bitek]

So you guys are both the "economic drivers" and supporting the rest of us, but you can't (read: won't) act until the people you already said you're supporting agree to "help" support citizens that live in your jurisdiction and not ours? How would that work exactly - wait a second while us city folks generously give handouts to you suburban folks, and then we tax them back from you to pay for our citizens we didn't bother to tax ourselves to help in the first place." Sounds like a much more efficient system is that you city folks take care of your own homeless and stop thinking you are "helping" us suburbanites. If you haven't checked, our quality of life is actually much, much better than yours - primarily because we purposely left city folks like you behind.

The hell are you even arguing in favor of?

Are you just hungry and feeling bitchy? WTF.
Go eat something.

 

[JSt0rm]

i live in the burbs, it's not part of the city!
--glenn1, probably

deep thought glenn strikes again!

 

[JSt0rm]

The conservatives don’t really give a shit what progressives do to themselves in their cities. We’re happy to simply nod grimly at their shit covered sidewalks and point it out to our kids as an object lesson of what not to do. Plus a containment strategy where we limit that situation from spreading by resisting all attempts for their politics to get adopted nationwide and fuck up our nice suburban lives.

sure buddy.

 

[Sunburn74]

How is this hard? If we can contain the literally shitty part of cities and the contagion doesn’t spread to suburbs then do whatever the hell you want. If like anti-vaxxers we can’t ringfence the bad spillover to just you guys and your shit filled streets cause medieval style plagues that spread to suburbs then we start to care.

People in the burbs work,eat, and get entertainment in the cities. They also vote on city policies and leadership and generally vote similarly to people living in the overlying cities. You sound like an insane person really

You also should note the general migration patterns of the US in the last 50 years with essentially a mass exodus ongoing of rural towns to now city life. 60% of the US population is living inside major cities a remarkable reversal from 50 years ago and the trends are not stopping as young people continue to seek their fortunes in places where they are accepted and welcomed. I guess all those leaving just can't get enough of the "medieval plagues" you ascribe city life to be all about.

 

[K1052]

People in the burbs work,eat, and get entertainment in the cities. They also vote on city policies and leadership and generally vote similarly to people living in the overlying cities. You sound like an insane person really

You also should note the general migration patterns of the US in the last 50 years with essentially a mass exodus ongoing of rural towns to now city life. 60% of the US population is living inside major cities a remarkable reversal from 50 years ago and the trends are not stopping as young people continue to seek their fortunes in places where they are accepted and welcomed. I guess all those leaving just can't get enough of the "medieval plagues" you ascribe city life to be all about.

The metro areas are growing for sure and look to continue as rural America empties out. I'm sure there will be some sort of argument about places in the west or south that are growing around employment nodes outside what we'd generally consider a traditional core (like NYC, Boston, or Chicago has) really being proof that suburbia is superior but it's really just a consequence of those places being built out differently (more auto dependent largely).

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

People in the burbs work,eat, and get entertainment in the cities. They also vote on city policies and leadership and generally vote similarly to people living in the overlying cities. You sound like an insane person really

You also should note the general migration patterns of the US in the last 50 years with essentially a mass exodus ongoing of rural towns to now city life. 60% of the US population is living inside major cities a remarkable reversal from 50 years ago and the trends are not stopping as young people continue to seek their fortunes in places where they are accepted and welcomed. I guess all those leaving just can't get enough of the "medieval plagues" you ascribe city life to be all about.

Perhaps it's just my area - but in general if you live out in 'burbs then you are in at minimal a different city - and often a different county as well. I don't get to vote on anything for the city, and I gladly don't pay any taxes to them either.

Aside from going in-town to work, I wouldn't step foot in downtown. Hell, by 5PM on weekdays you just see tumbleweeds from how empty it is. No one wants the inner-city. Majority of restaurants save for a few hotel ones for people traveling are only open for lunch. Our suburbs cities have our own events, delicious restaurants, and shopping.... Okay, maybe not a pro-sports team, but I wouldn't pay $200 to see a stupid sports game either way.

Millennials might CLAIM to want to be in the city, but when they actually grow a pair in life and learn to earn more than $40k and start having a wife/kids - they all go right back to where previous generations have gone... the suburbs.

https://www.theguardian.com/society...g-suburbs-america-housing-crisis-urban-exodus
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/a...g-to-suburbs-will-change-economic-development