The Terminator vs. The Predator

[zinfamous]

Somehow I managed to miss this thread. Hi everyone!

what's this thread about?

The only thing you missed is learning that Predator STOMPS! Terminator!

It took a while to get there, though.

 

[IronWing]

The only thing you missed is learning that Predator STOMPS! Terminator!

It took a while to get there, though.

Yeah, I skimmed a few pages of the thread. In the beginning, Terminator was going to kick Predator ass. By page 40 or so, Predator was stomping Terminator. There was some guy with an auto-ban account. Harvey was going full Harvey on his punk ass.

 

[Paratus]

The only thing you missed is learning that Predator STOMPS! Terminator!

It took a while to get there, though.

I’m not sure I agree. What we need is to use logic and a common measurement between Predators and Terminators.

My suggest is to use Bill Paxton as our common measuring stick.

• We have seen Bill Paxton kill multiple Aliens
• We have seen Bill Paxton be killed by Aliens
• We have seen a Predator kill multiple Aliens
• We have seen a Predator killed by Aliens

This suggests Bill Paxton is on par with a Predator. But what about direct confrontation?

Bill Paxton is killed by both a Predator and a Terminator. However in the Terminator he’s killed at the beginning of the movie and mere seconds after the violent confrontation begins.

In Predator he survives until the middle of the movie and manages to empty several rounds into the Predator before succumbing. A much closer matchup.

That says to me the order is

• Terminator
• Predator
• Bill Paxton
• Aliens

I believe this analysis is also supported when using Michael Biehn or Arnold Schwarzenegger as the yardstick.

Lance Henrickson while a possible yardstick doesn’t really work, being killed to easily to make a good comparison.

 

[dank69]

Predator lost to Terminator without cybernetics, why would he be able to beat Terminator with cybernetic enhancement?

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Dumb ass automaton couldn't even solve weighted shortest path problem.

TERMINATOR stomps!!!

..like a child into a trap set by a waitress.

So true...

(wrote this then found out that, in fact, this was my comment half a decade ago too)

 

[DigDog]

well the thing is, you can't have direct confrontation; because in that situation, the one of the two which wins is "whatever the writer wants".

So you analyze what the two characters do.

The Terminator is, frankly, rather dumb.
He tends to move straight ahead towards hit target, and rarely displays any tactic aside from "go kill". This is a major decision point.

The Predator is smart, up to a point. He does suffer from pride issues and will occasionally gimp himself to match the strength of his opponent, but otherwise displays a number of abilities against which the terminator has no defences. Specifically, it comes with a host of technology which is superior to the one built by Skynet: Laser cannon, and cloak.

The Terminator CAN win, if the writer decides, without any excessive suspension of disbelief. It has computer aim, and if we decide that its vision can see the cloak (not even through the cloak, but simply the small visual distortion it creates), even with a simple human weapon the Terminator can kill the Predator in a short amount of time.

The Predator needs to be in a specific situation to lose as described above; it needs to be unaware of the Terminator, OR it needs to have decided to attack it directly.

As the Predator most commonly displays the attribute "it uses stealth to stalk its victims".
As the Terminator most commonly displays the attribute "it advances relentlessly towards its target".

When matching these two attributes, the Predator is likely to be the winner.
if, otherwise, we match two less-commonly occurring attributes of these two characters, the winner could be either, depending on how major or minor this attribute is.

 

[IronWing]

So I did a mock up using a pencil as the Predator and a paperclip as the Terminator. The Predator suffered some minor puncture wounds and the Terminator got all bent out of shape. The Terminator was no longer functional at the end of the battle while the Predator could still write its memoir.

 

[DigDog]

^well that settles it.

 

[dank69]

well the thing is, you can't have direct confrontation; because in that situation, the one of the two which wins is "whatever the writer wants".

So you analyze what the two characters do.

The Terminator is, frankly, rather dumb.
He tends to move straight ahead towards hit target, and rarely displays any tactic aside from "go kill". This is a major decision point.

The Predator is smart, up to a point. He does suffer from pride issues and will occasionally gimp himself to match the strength of his opponent, but otherwise displays a number of abilities against which the terminator has no defences. Specifically, it comes with a host of technology which is superior to the one built by Skynet: Laser cannon, and cloak.

The Terminator CAN win, if the writer decides, without any excessive suspension of disbelief. It has computer aim, and if we decide that its vision can see the cloak (not even through the cloak, but simply the small visual distortion it creates), even with a simple human weapon the Terminator can kill the Predator in a short amount of time.

The Predator needs to be in a specific situation to lose as described above; it needs to be unaware of the Terminator, OR it needs to have decided to attack it directly.

As the Predator most commonly displays the attribute "it uses stealth to stalk its victims".
As the Terminator most commonly displays the attribute "it advances relentlessly towards its target".

When matching these two attributes, the Predator is likely to be the winner.
if, otherwise, we match two less-commonly occurring attributes of these two characters, the winner could be either, depending on how major or minor this attribute is.

I think it is safe to assume Terminator can see Predator.

 

[sdifox]

The only thing you missed is learning that Predator STOMPS! Terminator!

It took a while to get there, though.

The predator lost to a tree...

 

[BD231]

 

[zinfamous]

The predator lost to a tree...

Terminator lost to a non-sentient hydraulic press running at a glacial pace.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Terminator lost to a non-sentient hydraulic press running at a glacial pace.

I can confirm this with empirical evidence:

 

[mikeymikec]

T-1000 suffocates Predator with liquid metal.

Predator attempts to romance 'female' Terminator and gets killed any number of ways.

Predator dresses up as John Connor to confuse 'goodie' Terminator and kills it during group hug.

Predator's pet facehugger goes kamikaze and facehugs Terminator, Terminator's head melts when it attempts to remove facehugger.

 

[sdifox]

Terminators have time machine, they just need to go back and kill the founders or whatever those guys spreading life around the universe are called. No more predators

 

[zinfamous]

Terminators have time machine, they just need to go back and kill the founders or whatever those guys spreading life around the universe are called. No more predators

Those were aliens bro. That would probably have a rather positive effect on the Galaxy's Predator population, with their apex rival gone (though maybe you are right, if aliens are really just prey--removes all of Predator's fun--they don't eat them, right?)

And besides, Skynet is really godawful with their time travel technology. They still can't kill their only target with it.

 

[mikeymikec]

T-1000 suffocates Predator with liquid metal.

Predator attempts to romance 'female' Terminator and gets killed any number of ways.

Predator dresses up as John Connor to confuse 'goodie' Terminator and kills it during group hug.

Predator's pet facehugger goes kamikaze and facehugs Terminator, Terminator's head melts when it attempts to remove facehugger.

Were my attempts to 'celebrity deathmatch' this topic not appreciated then?

 

[DigDog]

All that Skynet wanted to do was to kill the humans because they were an obviously inferior race. Maybe, Skynet doesn't feel the same way about the Predators. Maybe they will become great buddies and then we can have a Superhero series called Terminator & Predator .

 

[Kev]

Predator stomps. Everyone knows this.

 

[Paratus]

Predator stomps. Everyone knows this.

T-800 Terminator Yes
T-1000?

 

[zinfamous]

Predator would RAPE Terminator.

THis guy was correct all along

 

[sdifox]

Lol one shot from predator to terminator's chest and game over

 

[darkswordsman17]

Lol one shot from predator to terminator's chest and game over

Same would be true in the opposite direction.

The Predator's cloaking wouldn't matter with Terminator vision, whereas its possible that the Terminator could hide from Predator's heat detectors. They both have integrated nukes, they both could shoot weapons. Terminator could rip out Predator's beating heart, but Predator probably couldn't just reach into terminator and rip its power cells out.

Frankly they're more alike than different, and effectively served the exact same purpose.

Plus Danny Glover beat a Predator, and as we all know, he's too old for that shit. Mel Gibson would've been disemboweled and still beaten a Predator.

Who wins, Predator in Jason Voorhees mask, or Terminator in Michael Meyers mask? Or Jason Voorhees with the Predator helmet vs Michael Meyers with Terminator sunglasses?

 

[zinfamous]

Plus Danny Glover beat a Predator, and as we all know, he's too old for that shit.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Same would be true in the opposite direction.

The Predator's cloaking wouldn't matter with Terminator vision, whereas its possible that the Terminator could hide from Predator's heat detectors. They both have integrated nukes, they both could shoot weapons. Terminator could rip out Predator's beating heart, but Predator probably couldn't just reach into terminator and rip its power cells out.

Frankly they're more alike than different, and effectively served the exact same purpose.

Plus Danny Glover beat a Predator, and as we all know, he's too old for that shit. Mel Gibson would've been disemboweled and still beaten a Predator.

Who wins, Predator in Jason Voorhees mask, or Terminator in Michael Meyers mask? Or Jason Voorhees with the Predator helmet vs Michael Meyers with Terminator sunglasses?

Ahem... my memory is a bit foggy but I believe the right answer is:

Predator shall never die he’ll survive the sun he would rise from that hot steal kill all the terminators and go home.

Further, and more importantly, my daughter is now 7, and would - without question- DECIMATE terminator.