The Terminator vs. The Predator

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Ausm

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Phoenix86

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At best it's a draw. Even if the terminator wins, he has to deal with that small nuclear explosion and emp produced by it.

EMP+terminator=dead terminator.

However, it's not close. The predator would never let the terminator get close, it's too freaking slow and dumb. Ahnuld was smart, the terminator isn't. The terminator isn't going to plan a trap like in Predator. The Predator would, however trap the terminator.

Oh, the Predator only shot the gun out of Danny Glover's hands... Well, what's the terminator carrying? A gun... bye-bye gun, in one shot. So that leaves the terminator weaponless and the Predator, at range, with weapons.

Terminator can't see the Predator, remember the crappy vision he had? Sure it had computer tracking, on what it did ID, but it was mono-color, washed in red. Of course, the Predator also hides his color with his stealth thing. And it worked just fine in a city environment, see Predator 2... There was nothing special about the Terminator's vision, no special modes, just normal spectrum, and no color.

Now, could the Terminator has no chance, but could the Predator even kill the Terminator? Sure, even if it's weapons don't work, it's creative AND it has a nuke. Remember, the T-101 was killed by normal means in T1 or T2. The Predator could do the same and would have all day to try stuff...
 

JimRaynor

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The real question is whether or not a predator armed only with his wrist blades can take on an adult alien 1on1.

Discuss.
 

PingSpike

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Originally posted by: JimRaynor
The real question is whether or not a predator armed only with his wrist blades can take on an adult alien 1on1.

Discuss.

Predator is fvcked in that case. The aliens are designed for hand to hand combat and have a whipping tail and retractable gougy mouth thingy in addition to some badass claws.

Plus, if the predator even manages to land a hit, he's going to have to deal with acid blood splash back.
 

Thraxen

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Does the Terminator gets to use its "real" weapons? In the movies they had to travel back through time and couldn't take their normal weapons and were thusly forced to use human weapons. I say the Terminator wins either way, but it would be an absolute slaughter if the Terminator got to use weapons from its own time.
 

PingSpike

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Originally posted by: Phoenix86
At best it's a draw. Even if the terminator wins, he has to deal with that small nuclear explosion and emp produced by it.

EMP+terminator=dead terminator.

Did it have an EMP in P2? I don't remember one in predator 1 and its been awhile since I've seen two. I can't see how useful an EMP would have been against humans...

However, it's not close. The predator would never let the terminator get close, it's too freaking slow and dumb. Ahnuld was smart, the terminator isn't. The terminator isn't going to plan a trap like in Predator. The Predator would, however trap the terminator.

The terminator isn't stupid, its just overconfident. It just waltzes into situations acting like a badass because he's bullet proof. Arnold pulls some crazy moves in all 3 terminator movies, if he knew what the predator was packing he might rethink his attack plan from "bust the doors down and blow sh|t away" to a more cautious approach.

Oh, the Predator only shot the gun out of Danny Glover's hands... Well, what's the terminator carrying? A gun... bye-bye gun, in one shot. So that leaves the terminator weaponless and the Predator, at range, with weapons.

Again, I only remember some bladed throwing weapons and the shoulder cannon for predator ranged weapons. Neither would have a signifgant impact on the terminator's body. They would knock him down and burn the flesh off...but by no means stop him.

Terminator can't see the Predator, remember the crappy vision he had? Sure it had computer tracking, on what it did ID, but it was mono-color, washed in red. Of course, the Predator also hides his color with his stealth thing. And it worked just fine in a city environment, see Predator 2... There was nothing special about the Terminator's vision, no special modes, just normal spectrum, and no color.

I don't remember the terminator having any trouble seeing in the dark, or smoke filled rooms. His vision may not have the range of the predators, but its by no means bad. The predator wasn't entirely invisible with the cloak on either.

Now, could the Terminator has no chance, but could the Predator even kill the Terminator? Sure, even if it's weapons don't work, it's creative AND it has a nuke. Remember, the T-101 was killed by normal means in T1 or T2. The Predator could do the same and would have all day to try stuff...

Kyle was creative and knew what he was up against in Termintor 1. And Kyle also got his face smashed in when he killed the terminator in T1...and the terminator was still alive. Unless the terminator manages to stuff a pipebomb up arnolds butt he's going to have a hard time repeating that move unless he can cook the skin off first. And to be fair, the t-101 killed itself in T2.

If the predator managed to get away from the first confrontation and adjusted his tactics, he might be able to get the terminator in some kind of trap. But without knowing what he was up against, I think the predator would get his ass handed to him.
 

ElMono

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Originally posted by: Thraxen
Does the Terminator gets to use its "real" weapons? In the movies they had to travel back through time and couldn't take their normal weapons and were thusly forced to use human weapons. I say the Terminator wins either way, but it would be an absolute slaughter if the Terminator got to use weapons from its own time.

For all we know, this battle between the Terminator and the Predator could take place in the Terminator's timeline where he could use his futuristic weapons.

Oh, and has anybody seen the really big shoulder cannons the Predators pack in Alien vs. Predator? I think those would do a lot more damage than the smaller ones used in Predator and Predator 2.
 

PanzerIV

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What a friggin' hilarious thread.


I agree with many of the good points listed here that place the Terminator as the victor in this clash of the titans.
 

K1052

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Terminator.

"Phased plasma rifle in the 40-watt range"

"Hey, just what you see, pal."
 

Dedpuhl

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Originally posted by: PingSpike


And to be fair, the t-101 killed itself in T2.

Heh. I'll state it again: Terminators cannot self destruct/terminate.




Anyway, this is a crazy thread with lots of cool/fun ideas. If Dutch can handle one of them, then I think a Terminator would have little trouble...
 

Titan

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As long as the terminator is arnold, the terminator will win.. Arnold already beat the preadator and he wasn't even a terminator! I love how in Pred 2 they say the explosion from the predator's self destruct bomb at the end was a thermo-nuclear explosion wiping out 30-mile radius of jungle. Arnold lived through it, he just jumped behind a log in a ditch. Arnold can't be beaten!
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: Ilmater
Originally posted by: Judgement
Originally posted by: Mik3y
not really, in predator 2, he shot that cop right in hte bullet proof vest and it didnt go through the metal plate. the armor on terminator is titanium. it wont break through. the plasma that hit terminator in T3 just dented his chest. terminator would kill the terminator. also, terminator can see heat, just like the predator, but the preditor cannot see scrap metal.

Good point, predator wouldn't even be able to see Terminator... if it wasnt a slaughter before, it surely is now.
Oh, this is a good point. I was going to vote for the Predator, but this would impede him. More importantly, if we're talking about the T-1000, there would be no contest. The T-1000 would fvck up the Predator before it could figure out how to take it down.

The predator can see just like humans see. That's *how* the pred sees without a mask. The vision modes are built into the mask and can be turned off.
 

Phoenix86

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Did it have an EMP in P2? I don't remember one in predator 1 and its been awhile since I've seen two. I can't see how useful an EMP would have been against humans...
It was a nuclear explosion, so an EMP would have to accompany. I'm not 100% they intended the explosion to be nuclear, but that's how I remember it.

The terminator isn't stupid, its just overconfident. It just waltzes into situations acting like a badass because he's bullet proof. Arnold pulls some crazy moves in all 3 terminator movies, if he knew what the predator was packing he might rethink his attack plan from "bust the doors down and blow sh|t away" to a more cautious approach.
No, he would assume he could defeat it, or die trying. Nothing got in his way to the objective. There are many cases where he was out gunned, outmanned and he still kicked in the front door (even in the future).

Again, I only remember some bladed throwing weapons and the shoulder cannon for predator ranged weapons. Neither would have a signifgant impact on the terminator's body. They would knock him down and burn the flesh off...but by no means stop him.
Shoulder canon blew a hugh hole in Vessie Ventura's character, also hit a tree and blew it in half, iirc. May not be able to open up the Terminator, but it could disarm him, and if the Terminator is weaponless, it's only a matter of time...

I don't remember the terminator having any trouble seeing in the dark, or smoke filled rooms. His vision may not have the range of the predators, but its by no means bad. The predator wasn't entirely invisible with the cloak on either.
YES! that's the kind of vision I was thinking about, low light, thus the red...? Either way I don't think he could spot the Predator because he didn't have heat vision, and if he did, the predator could just pull a Ahnuld and cover himself in mud. Afterall, one is smart, the other is programmed...

Kyle was creative...
So is the predator. He setup his own traps and even figured out some Arnold's traps before they sprung...

If the predator managed to get away from the first confrontation and adjusted his tactics, he might be able to get the terminator in some kind of trap. But without knowing what he was up against, I think the predator would get his ass handed to him.
If you assume anything, it's that they both know about each other. They are both hunters of sorts, knowing their target. With that playing field level the predator would probe his target for weaknesses, like he did in the first movie, also like any hunter. He would also be able to disarm him, even with future weapons because it's highly likely he would get the first stike while invisibleish.

Both were defeated by humans, so the 'well so and so killed them in the movie' is kinda moot.
 

Fenixgoon

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predator. remember, predators use weapons on par with their prey (so they only use spears and whatnot for aliens). so in this case, the predator gets to lock&load since the ahhhhnold terminator is inferior, he could definitely get rocked (but you'd need some heavy firepower to do it)
 

PingSpike

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Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Did it have an EMP in P2? I don't remember one in predator 1 and its been awhile since I've seen two. I can't see how useful an EMP would have been against humans...
It was a nuclear explosion, so an EMP would have to accompany. I'm not 100% they intended the explosion to be nuclear, but that's how I remember it.

The terminator isn't stupid, its just overconfident. It just waltzes into situations acting like a badass because he's bullet proof. Arnold pulls some crazy moves in all 3 terminator movies, if he knew what the predator was packing he might rethink his attack plan from "bust the doors down and blow sh|t away" to a more cautious approach.
No, he would assume he could defeat it, or die trying. Nothing got in his way to the objective. There are many cases where he was out gunned, outmanned and he still kicked in the front door (even in the future).

Arnold ran from the t-1000 and the t-x. The only reason he got into fights with things that he felt totally outclassed him was because he was ordered to do so basically. He was pretty sneaky with his box of roses shotgun and his voice mimicing...he even defeated the t-1000 in a battle of wits when he tricked him into lying about the dogs name in T2. I think the terminator is capable of more tricks than we give him credit for.
Again, I only remember some bladed throwing weapons and the shoulder cannon for predator ranged weapons. Neither would have a signifgant impact on the terminator's body. They would knock him down and burn the flesh off...but by no means stop him.
Shoulder canon blew a hugh hole in Vessie Ventura's character, also hit a tree and blew it in half, iirc. May not be able to open up the Terminator, but it could disarm him, and if the Terminator is weaponless, it's only a matter of time...
Jesse Ventura is made of flesh, and a tree is made out of wood. A regular old shotgun would have done the same thing.

I don't remember the terminator having any trouble seeing in the dark, or smoke filled rooms. His vision may not have the range of the predators, but its by no means bad. The predator wasn't entirely invisible with the cloak on either.
YES! that's the kind of vision I was thinking about, low light, thus the red...? Either way I don't think he could spot the Predator because he didn't have heat vision, and if he did, the predator could just pull a Ahnuld and cover himself in mud. Afterall, one is smart, the other is programmed...

Arnold drove a car in the middle of night with no headlights saying "I can see everything". He has no trouble seeing at night. He also fired clear knee cap shots in a room filled with tear gas. The predator has a similar red vision with his mask off it I remember.

Kyle was creative...
So is the predator. He setup his own traps and even figured out some Arnold's traps before they sprung...

Please, the old log trap? who wouldn't have seen that coming?

If the predator managed to get away from the first confrontation and adjusted his tactics, he might be able to get the terminator in some kind of trap. But without knowing what he was up against, I think the predator would get his ass handed to him.
If you assume anything, it's that they both know about each other. They are both hunters of sorts, knowing their target. With that playing field level the predator would probe his target for weaknesses, like he did in the first movie, also like any hunter. He would also be able to disarm him, even with future weapons because it's highly likely he would get the first stike while invisibleish.
If they know all about eachother and have time to prepare...why would the t-101 not have some infrared goggles to see the predator or burn his own skin off so he became invisible to the heat vision?
Both were defeated by humans, so the 'well so and so killed them in the movie' is kinda moot.
 
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