Honk the horn if you're really concerned about that. Most electric vehicles don't make noises that are disturbing enough to make an animal get out of its way anyway. Also animals get run over all the time even with gasoline powered vehicles.
Honk the horn if you're really concerned about that. Most electric vehicles don't make noises that are disturbing enough to make an animal get out of its way anyway. Also animals get run over all the time even with gasoline powered vehicles.I really want tesla to do well. I drive a truck as my primary transportation right now, but have been considering getting a car as a secondary driver once it's paid off. Tesla is high on the list for me. I plan to keep my vehicles for at least 6-8 years, so getting a tesla would be decent savings over that time in gas.
The only thing that bothers me is the silence because a family friend accidentally killed her cat backing out of the garage because the cat couldn't hear the car start. I hope they do some kind of noise in reverse to prevent that. I have several outdoor pets. Kind of a small issue in the grand scheme of things, but important to me.
- solar city merger is a huge money draining distraction with negligible near or medium term synergies.
---- This isn't really relevant to the success of the Model 3. This was a move to diversify and provide a different product portfolio for Tesla.
dont bother posting if you couldnt be bothered to post true info.A main reason they stayed in the US is because they basically got the Toyota/GM factory for free among many other tax incentives.
Musk does deserve credit for the bravado, but his venture was in substantial part a socializing risk while privatizing profit move rather popular these days.
He came when company was an excel sheet and a few people and invested several million $ at that point - others agreed to count him as a company founder at that time.Musk didn't even start the company. He came in with some extra money from PayPal, then bought all the other guys out. The vision of Tesla wasn't his. Regardless, he does deserve SOME credit.
in that case, include FCA and Ford getting much bigger loans at that low interest + GM that cost tax payers billions to save....Eg. their government loan, with far worse terms for the taxpayer than any VC would ever take.
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dont bother posting if you couldnt be bothered to post true info.
Tesla bought the factory for $50M from its owners - not for free and not paid by government.
in that case, include FCA and Ford getting much bigger loans at that low interest + GM that cost tax payers billions to save....
and many other big companies from other industries...
In a token deal that was paid by the government anyway (ie. 500million in doe loans) after their attempts at building a factory fell through on more than one occasion.
These are real manufacturers with substantial downstream economic impact, and it's not as if you can differential the loans you're mixing up anyway.
Tesla fanbois basically equivalent to apple ones. Don't know much about finance/tech nor much of anything except cheerleading.
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Looks like agents just joined to tell how bad Tesla really is.
Thank you for your input, we will not consider Tesla Model III.
In a token deal that was paid by the government anyway (ie. 500million in doe loans) after their attempts at building a factory fell through on more than one occasion.
These are real manufacturers with substantial downstream economic impact, and it's not as if you can differential the loans you're mixing up anyway.
Tesla fanbois basically equivalent to apple ones. Don't know much about finance/tech nor much of anything except cheerleading.
It was paid for by money that Tesla had from its investors - they got the loan only after buying factory (having a factory was a condition for getting a loan).
You are the last person who should be accusing others of not knowing finance/tech....
Nice of you to finaly admit that factory itself wasnt paid for by government for Tesla.If you want to be pedantic the 42mil factory was paid to toyota in a deal that has toyota simultaneously putting 50mil back into tesla, so really I'm accusing you of not knowing arithmetic. All outfitting to make it actually usable was doe money.
And just so that we're clear on the money, 20 of that 42 is going back to Telsa via state tax incentives.
Nice of you to finaly admit that factory itself wasnt paid for by government for Tesla.
And it would be even better, if you stopped pretending, that a loan is the same thing as a gift - especially when that loan was repaid in full, with interest.
wasted charity. .
Why don't you stand outside and ask the 6,000 employees working there and paying taxes at the NUMMI plant for Tesla if they think it is wasted charity. Make sure you video tape it, I am sure you will get some interesting reactions.
So what if Tesla had government help? Do you realize how many companies rely on government contracts? You must be a 15 year old libertarian retard if you think this way.
The government should get better at dealing with predators like this, eg. manage a more profitable exit for the taxpayers.
They did manage a profitable exit for taxpayers.
Apple level narcissism
At any point in this thread do you do any actual debating, or is it all ad hominem and moving the goal posts? I am on Tapatalk and don't want to go back through the thread if it is not worth it to find an argument to counter.Profitable enough for nuthuggers.
At any point in this thread do you do any actual debating, or is it all ad hominem and moving the goal posts? I am on Tapatalk and don't want to go back through the thread if it is not worth it to find an argument to counter.
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So far, demand doesnt seem to be a problem, with 400K (according to last posted info) preorders....I don't like the front grille design. Its an electric car they could have done anything with it.
I honestly think making it look like the front end of an ICE car would go a long way toward sales even though I realize they need to increase aerodynamics for battery efficiency/capacity reasons. There has to be a compromise.
So far, demand doesnt seem to be a problem, with 400K (according to last posted info) preorders....
Profitable enough for nuthuggers.