The threat of godless ideologies

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
The tragedies of the Twentieth Century were constructed upon atheism. The ideologues of fascism, Nazism, and communism believed that no force was higher than themselves or their fantastical utopian dreams.

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Rip, I agree, we should have a Christian in office. When one gets elected, let me know.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
It's quite obvious that godlessness is a far greater threat to humanity than deism.

What a crock! You're entitled to your beliefs, but all I see in religions is an excuse to demean the beliefs of others in an attempt to gain more power by increasing the number of followers.

I'm not saying all believersm or everything done in the name of one religion or another are evil, but they are power structures. The only difference between theocratic and other political power structures is the invocation of one BS deity or another.

Baa-a-ahh! Baa-a-ahh! Baa-a-ahh!

 

[WiseOldDude]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
100 or so million people were killed by communism alone in the last century.

"It's quite obvious that godlessness is a far greater threat to humanity than deism."

I don't know how else to say it to make you understand.

A mere drop in the bucket to the number of people that have been killed in the name of someone's imaginary friend, that they often refer to as god, mohamad, budda, and so on..

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: WiseOldDude

Originally posted by: Riprorin
100 or so million people were killed by communism alone in the last century.

"It's quite obvious that godlessness is a far greater threat to humanity than deism."

I don't know how else to say it to make you understand.

A mere drop in the bucket to the number of people that have been killed in the name of someone's imaginary friend, that they often refer to as god, mohamad, budda, and so on..

Show me your data.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Show me your data.

Try thinking for yourself, then make demands, people are not here to hold you by the hand to point out the realities you refuse to listen to.
Or feed your incessant trolling.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Show me your data.

Try thinking for yourself, then make demands, people are not here to hold you by the hand to point out the realities you refuse to listen to.
Or feed your incessant trolling.

He must have some basis for saying that the 100,000,000 or so people killed by godless communists in the 20th century was a "drop in the bucket".

I think that it's fair to ask what the basis is.

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Show me your data.

Try thinking for yourself, then make demands, people are not here to hold you by the hand to point out the realities you refuse to listen to.
Or feed your incessant trolling.

He must have some basis for saying that the 100,000,000 or so people killed by godless communists in the 20th century was a "drop in the bucket".

I think that it's fair to ask what the basis is.

I think your whole point is useless. It's not how many people have been killed (the number of people killed only shows the power of the country involved). It's how many different regimes have killed innocent people.

Your two "godless" regimes are Hitler's and Stalin's. That's only 2.
But how many "godful" regimes have there been that have killed innocent people? Definitely by far more than 2 regimes. Probably more than 100.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Show me your data.

Try thinking for yourself, then make demands, people are not here to hold you by the hand to point out the realities you refuse to listen to.
Or feed your incessant trolling.

He must have some basis for saying that the 100,000,000 or so people killed by godless communists in the 20th century was a "drop in the bucket".

I think that it's fair to ask what the basis is.

I think your whole point is useless. It's not how many people have been killed (the number of people killed only shows the power of the country involved). It's how many different regimes have killed innocent people.

Your two "godless" regimes are Hitler's and Stalin's. That's only 2.
But how many "godful" regimes have there been that have killed innocent people? Definitely by far more than 2 regimes. Probably more than 100.

I didn't even include Hitler.

"The authors? research offers a rough exposition of the crimes of communism: USSR, 20 million deaths; China, 65 million deaths; Vietnam, 1 million deaths; North Korea, 2 million deaths; Cambodia, 2 million deaths; Eastern Europe, 1 million deaths; Latin America, 150,000 deaths; Africa, 1.7 million deaths; Afghanistan, 1.5 million deaths; the international communist movement and communist parties not in power, about 10,000 deaths."

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[WiseOldDude]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Show me your data.

There are lots of accurate books on the history of man, open one ........!

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: polm

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Between 1900 to 1987 communists alone murdered about 110,000,000 people.

How many people do you think were killed by religionists over this time period?

so it's come down to comparing raw body count, eh Rip ?

Godless ideologies have been by far the greatest source of death and destruction and human misery in the modern world.

Unlike you, Rip, I'm able to think in broader terms. Apparently, you believe the only choices are between Godless and Godful ideologies, and you prefer the latter because (you claim) religious ideologues haven't killed as many tens of millions as have the god-less.

Wow, what an inspiring argument in support of a belief in God.

I prefer NON-ideologies. I owe no allegience to God and I owe no allegience to atheists in particular or non-believers in general. I'm perfectly OK if God exists, or if he doesn't. I don't "need" one type of universe or the other. I don't have any desire to convert believers to non-believers or vice versa. What I WOULD like to accomplish is to convert ideologues to non-ideologues. And if those non-ideologues believe in God, or don't, that's perfectly fine.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: WiseOldDude

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Show me your data.

There are lots of accurate books on the history of man, open one ........!

I don't have to open a book to know that the 100,000,000 killed by godless communists in the 20th century isn't a "drop in the bucket".

If you add up all those killed "in the name of God" over all human history is doesn't come close to approaching the number of deaths caused by godless ideologies in the last 100 years.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
The tragedies of the Twentieth Century were constructed upon atheism. The ideologues of fascism, Nazism, and communism believed that no force was higher than themselves or their fantastical utopian dreams.

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Communism never made it.
Hitler was Christian.
Facism transcends religion.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
100 or so million people were killed by communism alone in the last century.

"It's quite obvious that godlessness is a far greater threat to humanity than deism."

I don't know how else to say it to make you understand.

Rip that has more to do with Russian/Chinese culture than communism. They let it happen. Even in Russia and China today it is very hard for anyone that does not look Russian or Chinese to be successful. My Lebanese friend who lived in Russia would have the mob/mafia on his ass everyday. Or streetpunks would come and attack him.

Makes you love America.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Riprorin
100 or so million people were killed by communism alone in the last century.

"It's quite obvious that godlessness is a far greater threat to humanity than deism."

I don't know how else to say it to make you understand.

Rip that has more to do with Russian/Chinese culture than communism. They let it happen. Even in Russia and China today it is very hard for anyone that does not look Russian or Chinese to be successful. My Lebanese friend who lived in Russia would have the mob/mafia on his ass everyday. Or streetpunks would come and attack him.

Makes you love America.

Amen to that.

 

[Hossenfeffer]

:roll:

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Hossenfeffer
:roll:

I didn't realize loving your country was bad? Is that a crime?

 

[umbrella39]

Thanks for resurrecting this post RIP! If God IS talking to you, PLEASE don't listen to Him when He tells you to use the SEARCH button.

 

[WiseOldDude]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

I don't have to open a book to know that the 100,000,000 killed by godless communists in the 20th century isn't a "drop in the bucket".

You and dumbay, don't want to know nothin that come from no stinking book, I know what is what and who is who, cause god told me all about the other night.

perhaps you should log off and tune in jerry farwell or one of the other fund raisers for god

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: WiseOldDude

Originally posted by: Riprorin

I don't have to open a book to know that the 100,000,000 killed by godless communists in the 20th century isn't a "drop in the bucket".

You and dumbay, don't want to know nothin that come from no stinking book, I know what is what and who is who, cause god told me all about the other night.

perhaps you should log off and tune in jerry farwell or one of the other fund raisers for god

You may be old, but you are certainly not wise.

Do your homework. About 6,000 or so were killed in the Spanish Inquisition and about 15,000 were killed worldwide in the witch hunts.

As far as the crusades, there aren't any reliable records, but I seriously doubt that it was in the millions.

Can you come up with another 99,000,000 people that were killed by deists to match those who were killed by godless communists?

I would never call the senseless loss of life a "drop in the bucket" but clearly the numbers killed in the name of God pale in comparison those killed by godless ideologies.

 

[canadageek]

i believe Voltaire once wrote that "if there were no god, it would be necessary to invent him"
now personally, I am an atheist. i tolerate whatever religion you want to follow, so long as you don't sacrifice your goat on my lawn.

99 million by "godless communists"? where are you getting these numbers? they sound like they came off a "there is no god but god" type site. give us some real material to read, other than your numbers. numbers never tell the whole story.
god has been used as an excuse for wars too. Hitler used God. Bin Laden used God(allah, to the muslims). in america, natives were written off as "godless savages". handed smallpox-ridden blankets, and left to die.

religious rifts separate israel from the rest of the middle-east, simply because of different beliefs.

remember rip, one day, there will be no choice but to shift to a "godless communist state" simply because the earth will not be able to support this many first-world countries.

just out of curiosity, would you consider the muslims "godless" or the ancient greeks "godless"? they believe in their own gods. their god(s) aren't the christian god. so are they "godless" for not believing in your god?

i suppose you hate the idea of evolution, too. just think about it this way: in nature, one must adapt or die. since your church does not choose to adapt, it will die, and it slowly is.

anyway, my two bits. but i still want to know where your figures came from. no more than 55proof million were killed in world war two. world war one counts 15 million. thats including civilians.

this whole argument is useless anyway, because god fearing people in the usa have five years of murder in America (119,700 killed 1990-94) under their belts. quit worrying about the past, focus on now

 

[0roo0roo]

rips just playing with himself now. last i checked the total world population at 400bc was only 150million and it was even less before that. so killing many with so few people to begin with is difficult, let alone the limits of primitive technology. but percentage wise, primitive cultures in the past killed off plenty of each others population in war, and basically all primitive peoples were religious. and well... look, 150 million africans died in the slave trade alone, and much of it was justified with religion. and as said, communism really was just a form of religion, with its great unquestionable leader and unquesetionable holy book, propensity to kill blasphemers. it got its worst qualities directly from religion really. so really, you are wasting your time rip.

 

[Harvey]

Rip -- Your numbers are meaningless. The only thing we know for certain is, believing in a religion doesn't make anyone a saint or a murdering asshole. History is full of acts of everything from magnificent human goodness to abominable horror in the name of, inspite of, and in direct opposition to any deity or belief system.

Religion may be used as a justification for good or evil, but it is the people who commit the acts who are responsible for them.

It really doesn't matter what reward or punishment may exist in some mythical next life. The reality of this one is enough.

 

[kogase]

This is another example of specious reasoning. Basically, assuming that there is a direct causal link between mass murder and godlessness, simply because godless regimes have (for the sake of argument) killed more than religious regimes. Which you haven't demonstrated.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: kogase
This is another example of specious reasoning. Basically, assuming that there is a direct causal link between mass murder and godlessness, simply because godless regimes have (for the sake of argument) killed more than religious regimes. Which you haven't demonstrated.

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And :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: for the latest Rip garbage.

 

[conjur]

*cough* *cough*

Damn, Rip. Stop bumping your old threads. The dust and mold are KILLING my allergies!