The Trump Tariffs thread

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Pipeline 1010

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As a Person, I disagree. Trump is only "better" because the political system he has taken control of isn't/wasn't a Dictatorship from the start.

Nope on this.

Social credit scores, Hong Kong, Uyghurs, Chinese immigrants, the inability for most people to move to different parts of China (especially rural people): all of these things disagree with you. The millions of Chinese who would love to immigrate to America, even with Trump in charge, would disagree with you. The few thousand Americans who will immigrate to China during Trump's administration might agree with you, but you personally wouldn't go live there and neither would I.

This isn't an endorsement of Trump. It is an endorsement that Xi is so, so much worse than even Trump. It's OK to acknowledge that Darth Vader is bad, but Emperor Palpatine is far worse.
 
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sandorski

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Nope on this.

Social credit scores, Hong Kong, Uyghurs, Chinese immigrants, the inability for most people to move to different parts of China (especially rural people): all of these things disagree with you. The millions of Chinese who would love to immigrate to America, even with Trump in charge, would disagree with you. The few thousand Americans who will immigrate to China during Trump's administration might agree with you, but you personally wouldn't go live there and neither would I.

This isn't an endorsement of Trump. It is an endorsement that Xi is so, so much worse than even Trump. It's OK to acknowledge that Darth Vader is bad, but Emperor Palpatine is far worse.
That is the System. I wouldn't want to live there either. His character and demeanor is what I am talking about. He strikes me as someone who could have a serious conversation without coming across as a psychopath or moron. Putin might fit that, but if he mentioned nukes....
 

jdubs03

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Nope on this.

Social credit scores, Hong Kong, Uyghurs, Chinese immigrants, the inability for most people to move to different parts of China (especially rural people): all of these things disagree with you. The millions of Chinese who would love to immigrate to America, even with Trump in charge, would disagree with you. The few thousand Americans who will immigrate to China during Trump's administration might agree with you, but you personally wouldn't go live there and neither would I.

This isn't an endorsement of Trump. It is an endorsement that Xi is so, so much worse than even Trump. It's OK to acknowledge that Darth Vader is bad, but Emperor Palpatine is far worse.
Is JD Vance Kylo Ren? Or is that Elon?
 

pmv

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May 30, 2008
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I am talking about Trump failing so he is weaker at home. This will give him strength. Like I said, this is just supporting his power. To me, that is bad. You are thinking way way too rationally about these other government's own successes rather than the overall big picture of Trump.

I stand by this is a bad outcome.

Don't know that it's "bad", because I don't really know what I'd consider a "good" outcome. It's not the worst, I think.

I think you are right that Trump will paint this as a win for his 'tough negotiating tactics' and thus it will encourage him to keep on doing this stuff, and his fans to keep on voting for him, so in that respect it's not great.

On the other hand, I distrust my own nihilistic instincts that would like to have seen him go through with it and cause complete economic chaos. I don't agree with myself on that one.
 

sdifox

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Sep 30, 2005
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That is the System. I wouldn't want to live there either. His character and demeanor is what I am talking about. He strikes me as someone who could have a serious conversation without coming across as a psychopath or moron. Putin might fit that, but if he mentioned nukes....
No, all the blunders are from his ideas. He is not a well educated man, the image you got is highly tailored through propaganda, it's God making.
 

pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
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Nope on this.

Social credit scores, Hong Kong, Uyghurs, Chinese immigrants, the inability for most people to move to different parts of China (especially rural people): all of these things disagree with you. The millions of Chinese who would love to immigrate to America, even with Trump in charge, would disagree with you. The few thousand Americans who will immigrate to China during Trump's administration might agree with you, but you personally wouldn't go live there and neither would I.

This isn't an endorsement of Trump. It is an endorsement that Xi is so, so much worse than even Trump. It's OK to acknowledge that Darth Vader is bad, but Emperor Palpatine is far worse.

I don't know on what basis one would compare the two. Better or worse for what purpose? The contexts are so different, that it seems an entirely meaningless comparison.
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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Gotta keep peoples Temu and Shein treats coming in.

If there is a better argument that Americans simply demand cheap Chinese shit and will probably try to kill anybody who takes it away I'm not sure what it would be.
 

K1052

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Mr. Tariffs exploded the trade deficit to a new record due to frontloading.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us...-december-imports-hit-record-high-2025-02-05/

The U.S. trade deficit widened sharply in December as imports surged to a record high against the backdrop of tariff threats.
The trade gap increased 24.7% to $98.4 billion, the highest since March 2022, from a revised $78.9 billion in November, the Commerce Department's Bureau of Economic Analysis said on Wednesday.

Economists polled by Reuters had forecast the trade deficit soaring to $96.6 billion from the previously reported $78.2 billion in November.
 
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