The Trump Tariffs thread

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MrSquished

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With Canada it isn’t just about the trade now. His constant demand for annexation has turned it into something else. They also don’t want to be extorted every month with irrational demands or for constant economic concessions just to keep the status quo. Everybody has a limit before they say “fuck you” and simply walk regardless.

This and just in general these leaders are realizing you have to stand up to Trump otherwise you just embolden him and his minions to take more and more and more and more. Sometimes you have to sacrifices things to stand up to psychopaths otherwise they will get worse.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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Obviously CA and MX will need to pivot to EU+Asia, but China has no demand for autos from either country. It'll also take a lot of time for CA and MX to move away from such a U.S.-reliant relationship. A painful recession could arrive much sooner than that.

(And yes, China's fingerprints have been all over the global South for some time now.)
They might pull a Walmart and just plant their flag there to keep the US out, even if it's a cost-loss for them overall.
 
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manly

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Lessons from the first term: whenever you think we've hit bottom, that things can't get any stupider... they will find a way.
yeah it's been only 6 weeks. Even if we're optimists and see Dems smashing the 2026 midterms, Team Treason gets to wreak pure havoc on everyone until then.

Also, except for federal courts, there are no guardrails remaining. To be honest, many of us expected the worst and this administration has lived up to that billing (if not exceeded it) thus far.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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yeah it's been only 6 weeks. Even if we're optimists and see Dems smashing the 2026 midterms, Team Treason gets to wreak pure havoc on everyone until then.

Also, except for federal courts, there are no guardrails remaining. To be honest, many of us expected the worst and this administration has lived up to that billing (if not exceeded it) thus far.
Won't be much left to govern at this point, it'll take decades to rebuild it too.
 
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Iron Woode

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Canada has a very robust beer and liquor industry. There are some very good choices here as well as many mediocre offerings.

We have excellent wines, too.
 
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nakedfrog

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yeah it's been only 6 weeks. Even if we're optimists and see Dems smashing the 2026 midterms, Team Treason gets to wreak pure havoc on everyone until then.

Also, except for federal courts, there are no guardrails remaining. To be honest, many of us expected the worst and this administration has lived up to that billing (if not exceeded it) thus far.
And shithole states are following the lead with wild abandon.
I realize this one in specific has essentially no chance of going anywhere, but still... "gender identity fraud" as a state felony for trans people in TX. Fortunately it doesn't seem to impact non-binary people as currently written

 

Iron Woode

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Ontario Premier Doug Ford is now playing hardball:


U.S. Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick called Premier Doug Ford on Tuesday for a “tough and aggressive” conversation after the Ontario government announced its plan to slap a 25 per cent export tax on the electricity it supplies to three U.S. states, CTV News has learned.

Sources said Lutnick asked Ford to back off his retaliatory tariffs, but the Ontario premier refused so long as U.S. President Donald Trump’s sweeping tariffs remain in effect.

During a news conference on Tuesday afternoon, Ford said the export tax would apply to electricity that Ontario sends to 1.5 million homes and businesses in New York, Michigan and Minnesota. It is not immediately clear when the tax would go into effect.

Ford later released a letter he sent to the senators, congressmen, congresswomen and governors of those three states to inform them about the province’s plan to implement the surcharge on electricity if the Trump administration follows through on any more tariffs.

“This surcharge would be in addition to actions Canadian governments are already taking,” the premier wrote.

When asked about whether this move will require the legislature to resume, Ford said he is still looking into how quickly a 25 per cent export tax can be imposed on electricity.

“The federal government is in charge of any export so we will be working with the federal government,” Ford said, adding that he will be speaking to the prime minister this afternoon to discuss what the province can do to speed up retaliatory measures.

After a snap election last week, members of provincial parliament won’t be sworn in any earlier than the week of March 17.

He added that if tariffs persist into April, the province will consider cutting off electricity to the U.S. Ford mused that the extra electricity could be used to power Ontario manufacturing plants.

“I feel terrible, because they are great governors. I know all three of them. I work well with them. I met them all. We’ve got them to Ontario. They are great people. I have to apologize to the governors and the American people. You need to make sure you send a message to President Trump,” Ford said.

The premier further announced that U.S. companies will be banned from taking part in government procurement and he urged other municipalities in the province to do the same.

“I’ve asked the Ontario Public Service, our ministers and our deputy ministers, to go through with a fine tooth comb and anything, no matter if it is services through the tech sector or any other products, we need to stop immediately. And if they come at us, sue us, so be it. We are standing up for Ontario. We are standing up for Canada and we are willing to fight in court,” Ford said.

“I want to inflict as much pain as we possibly can.”

Additionally, Ford has said Ontario is ripping up a $100 million agreement with Elon Musk’s Starlink.

Ford’s comments came just hours after Trump hit Canada and Mexico with 25 per cent across-the-board tariffs. The federal government announced that it will immediately put into place retaliatory tariffs on $30 billion of U.S. goods and then more tariffs on another $125 billion in U.S. goods three weeks later.

“The coming days and weeks will be hard. Businesses and families will feel the pain of this needless fight,” Ford said Tuesday. “We are going to get through this more united than ever before.”

Ford said that the province is also pursuing plans to halt the supply of nickel to the United States but will need guidance by the federal government on how to proceed.
 
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dainthomas

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They have. There have been a bunch of short, ~1 minute videos senators are putting out basically along the theme "Shit that ain't true".

But part of the problem is they can scream as much as they like. If people don't boost the signal, and if media outlets aren't going to pick it up (instead of continually writing/boosting stories about "dems in disarray"/"dems are doing [insert thing] wrong"), then it doesn't spread. There is lots of money for people to make in the doomer space.

Yeah, what does two thousand likes get you? That's nothing, and on par with something on Schumer's Youtube channel. Did you know he had one? Neither does anyone else apparently.
 
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cytg111

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I was contemplating. What if Europe backed BRICS+ in an effort to replace the dollar as reserve currency... Would it have a chance?
 
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Yeah, what does two thousand likes get you? That's nothing, and on par with something on Schumer's Youtube channel. Did you know he had one? Neither does anyone else apparently.
Because people would rather complain about not Doing Things Right and get lots more likes than share that material.
 

Muse

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Bernie says we have to build a movement against the oligarchy that is ruling the country in the tradition of the great movements we've had: abolitionist, civil rights, women's rights, gay rights. His response to last night:

 
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BoomerD

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It's funny as hell to me...Texas voted pretty strongly for Trump...


“No amount of horsepower can overcome the economic chaos of a reckless tariff strategy that threatens Texas' economic job engine that has been years in the making,” the letter stated, in part.

According to the joint letter, 3,700 Texans build Tundras and Sequoias and 5,600 people are employed with Texas-based Toyota suppliers in San Antonio.

In Arlington, 5,200 people build Yukons, Tahoes, Suburbans and Escalades with “thousands more working for Texas-based GM suppliers,” the letter said.

The mayors emphasized the urgency of the situation, adding, in part, “This is no time to take a ‘wait and see’ attitude or grant the President the benefit of the doubt when the job-killing threats of tariffs are widely known.”

Concluding their letter, the mayors called on federal leaders to ensure economic stability by opposing tariffs and defending Texans' jobs.

“At a time when Texans are seeing no relief in the price of eggs or the cost of living, we look to our federal leaders to help ensure stability in the auto manufacturing ecosystems,” the letter said.

In other words..."We didn't know the leopards would eat OUR faces," say the people who voted for the Leopards Eating Faces party.
 

K1052

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It's funny as hell to me...Texas voted pretty strongly for Trump...




In other words..."We didn't know the leopards would eat OUR faces," say the people who voted for the Leopards Eating Faces party.


State backed him by 14 points and he's doing his level best to destroy their economy which is highly reliant on free trade with Mexico and undocumented labor. And now they're starting to moan about it.

I do not care.
 

misuspita

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Maaaaybe, just maaaaybe Trump is a senile spearhead pushed and controlled by the billionaires around him, by his simple instinctive responses to complex stuff, in a ploy to destroy american way of life and democracy, suffer for a few years of economical loses (of which the billionaires are insulated) and then start to buy everything and make USA a Corporate State, everything privatised and ruled by oligatchs that defacto will rule America?
 

Viper1j

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It's funny as hell to me...Texas voted pretty strongly for Trump...




In other words..."We didn't know the leopards would eat OUR faces," say the people who voted for the Leopards Eating Faces party.
My cat is getting really fat.

 
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K1052

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Maaaaybe, just maaaaybe Trump is a senile spearhead pushed and controlled by the billionaires around him, by his simple instinctive responses to complex stuff, in a ploy to destroy american way of life and democracy, suffer for a few years of economical loses (of which the billionaires are insulated) and then start to buy everything and make USA a Corporate State, everything privatised and ruled by oligatchs that defacto will rule America?

I think there is a tendency to see complexity where there isn't any to explain what appear to be the most moronic decisions one could make done in a slapdash way. At the end of the day Trump is just a fucking moron (to quote his first Secretary of State) pushing buttons he doesn't understand.
 
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