It's estimated that over million people or more died from the partition of India. I'm not looking to repeat such a humanitarian crisis here.They can fucking move.
Seriously at this point.. you have people walking barefoot through Central America trying to get to America for a better life and you're telling me some fat ass MAGA's can't load up their Hummers with their junk and move to Texas to be next to other Trumpanzees?
Since there is literally zero chance of any of that, what would be our alternatives?You can have accountability without deportation or national divorce. But it requires that the people that later come into power a) no be afraid of serious reform, b) want to hold people accountable, and c) are not afraid to use the power they have been entrusted with
I refuse to throw up my hands and assume that all is already lost.Since there is literally zero chance of any of that, what would be our alternatives?
I understand, but if you look at it critically it is obvious that the only people willing to do the things in your three bullet points is the Republicans. Maybe they are the party we should be working with.I refuse to throw up my hands and assume that all is already lost.
Wisconsin was gerrymandered at the state level for years, but people did the work to claw their way out of that. We're not in a situation that is going to be fixed quickly or easily.I understand, but if you look at it critically it is obvious that the only people willing to do the things in your three bullet points is the Republicans. Maybe they are the party we should be working with.
I agree, but we can work to change either party. If we can change the GOP to be less hateful it will do a lot more than trying to make the Democrats to actually care instead of just giving lip service to it.Wisconsin was gerrymandered at the state level for years, but people did the work to claw their way out of that. We're not in a situation that is going to be fixed quickly or easily.
And how would any of this work? MAGA aren't just 100% in one spot. Some states are 60/40 D/R, or vice versa.
And then you also end up with a country that is super majority fascist expansionary next door. That doesn't seem like a great thing.
It's estimated that over million people or more died from the partition of India. I'm not looking to repeat such a humanitarian crisis here.
It's very different when people have almost nothing and are desperate. Most Americans are not dirt poor. And what happens with people immigrating from Central and South American countries is also a humanitarian disaster that we turn a blind eye towards
This also doesn't solve the problem of having a violent, expansionist society directly next door.
Maybe a little, but plenty of MAGA neighbors in the "blue" areas, and "blue" states. And I'm not willing to throw lots of people like large black populations under the bus to live under the thumb of neo-segrationists.Yeah, realistically it's not going to work. Though one point is that there's an ongoing self-segregation effect, causing people to sort themselves geographically, so, just maybe, one day in the distant future it might become a viable idea.
You're so quick to throw in the towel. "Fighting to save something is hard, so let's just give up and go out separate ways. Also, if you get stuck in the bad place, good luck."You seem to be becoming a victim of Stockholm syndrome where you the hostage seem to love the terrorist because of fear and coping as a national divorce like Greece/ Turkey or the Balkans etc seems way too scary to you.
I'll let you in on a little secret.. all our ancestors, even the native Americans at some point.. left their comfort zone and migrated to America because <insert reasons here>.
Yes some of them used planes, some of them used boats and some used their feet.. but they all got to their destination in the end.
So will we unless we don't even want to try.
Delusional. It's either the whole country goes fascist or we save a 100 million people from it and create a new country from which to fight from.Maybe a little, but plenty of MAGA neighbors in the "blue" areas, and "blue" states. And I'm not willing to throw lots of people like large black populations under the bus to live under the thumb of neo-segrationists.
You're so quick to throw in the towel. "Fighting to save something is hard, so let's just give up and go out separate ways. Also, if you get stuck in the bad place, good luck."
Also, the Balkans, if we want to go with more recent than Greece/Turkey separation, weren't exactly roses with partitioning either. I seem to recall some genocides with the Bosnian War and Serbia fucking around with Kosovo, but why should we worry about a little mass death as a result of partition?
You're so quick to throw in the towel. "Fighting to save something is hard, so let's just give up and go out separate ways. Also, if you get stuck in the bad place, good luck."
Also, the Balkans, if we want to go with more recent than Greece/Turkey separation, weren't exactly roses with partitioning either. I seem to recall some genocides with the Bosnian War and Serbia fucking around with Kosovo, but why should we worry about a little mass death as a result of partition?
It's about as viable as "deporting" 77M Trump-voting citizens (and their minor children). Any proposed solution by Indus is not a solution. He's not throwing in the towel; he just comes up with the dumbest ideas on a daily basis. How about the time he was upset that MrSquished was mean to him, and so he said he'll vote WITH MAGA next election?Yeah, realistically it's not going to work. Though one point is that there's an ongoing self-segregation effect, causing people to sort themselves geographically, so, just maybe, one day in the distant future it might become a viable idea.
Remember how many of their own people Russia and China killed.It's estimated that over million people or more died from the partition of India. I'm not looking to repeat such a humanitarian crisis here.
I think a majority of the left coast would support that idea.If somebody put the question to me at this point I would vote for California to join Canada. I am not a separatist or secessionist by nature but if I had the option of not being tied to this mast as the ship slowly goes down I'd take it.
I think you have forgotten your history. We tried that once already and it started a terrible war. This time the war will be ever worse. It won't only be a few million dead, it will be hundreds of millions, possibly even billions if one side decides to use nukes when it looks like they are going to lose, which seems inevitable.I'm perturbed you don't understand this yet and are willing to sacrifice the entire country
Any proposed solution by Indus is not a solution. He's not throwing in the towel; he just comes up with the dumbest ideas on a daily basis.
Right wing media blame the stock market for its losses not Trump. Propaganda at work.
Sean Hannity attacks the stock market for crashing while Donald Trump is president
www.mediamatters.org
You know, the problem is, you know, like Germany sells eight German cars to our one car in Germany because of their 10% tariff and then their value added tax or national sales tax, which makes it financially impossible.
I think you have forgotten that was 150 years ago. Times change.I think you have forgotten your history. We tried that once already and it started a terrible war. This time the war will be ever worse. It won't only be a few million dead, it will be hundreds of millions, possibly even billions if one side decides to use nukes when it looks like they are going to lose, which seems inevitable.
I think you have forgotten that was 150 years ago. Times change.
Again, it's either the entire country live under fascistic rule or you save 100 million people and create an opposition state and place of refuge, which can also be allies with Canada and Western Europe and other countries.
...and given that the EU's proposal for a retaliatory 50% tax on US alcohol imports is being met with a counter-counter suggestion from Trump of a 200% tax on EU alcohol imports to the US, maybe we should just end all trans-Atlantic trade and be done with it?
Trump threatens 200% tariff on alcohol from EU
Wine and spirits will be taxed, Trump says, if the EU does not remove tariffs on US whiskey.www.bbc.co.uk
Of course. Just another sign in a field littered with signs, that the modern D party is wholly unprepared for anything going on. They have failed their constituents for far too long.Not gonna happen under Hochul.
If you think democracy is already dead, then you should probably consider a better country to move to. Civil war tends to be incredibly messy and I don't think it'll turn out the way people suggest it might turn out (let's join Canada, leaving behind Jesusland!).
* Any decency in the GOP at a national level has already left office in the face of Trump's bullying.