The Trump Tariffs thread

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mindless1

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Seriously good luck with the wealthy actually passing down your hypothetical end game benefits to you. Like really.
What is this nonsense "good luck"? No luck needed.

We don't need trickle down for society to benefit from more money staying in the US.
 

mindless1

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Yeah I'm pretty sure it caused cancer in your brain!
So more nonsense trolling because no counter argument?

Why do you breathe?

Wind energy has been studied and is not a sustainable solution. Just an investment sinkhole. Do you like waste?
 

trenchfoot

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Trump loves to sign agreements then renege. What do you expect from a thief who refuses to pay his contracted laborers?

This is the second time the US has ripped up a written trade agreement with Canada (both times it was Trump) out of whim and fancy. Canada needs a partner, but the US is not politically stable enough to keep to its word. We are in a new world where agreements with the US mean nothing. Nothing matters to Americans nor to the American government. Canada is not Mexico or China, and is not the source of the US’s fentanyl problem. As if facts matter

Trump is upset by the fact that so much of the US/Canadian border is unfenced and open. He doesn’t see that sort of peaceful border as a positive, he sees it as a threat. Trump is about control. Everyone knows America has the most powerful economy in the world. Donald just can’t understand why you’re not using it to rule the world! He’s working on fixing that! What’ does he want? Chaos to exploit, conflict to exploit. He’s told so many lies, a big chunk of US is lapping it up. He discredits the press, very soon no one will trust anything.

Trump, with his bullshit fentanyl excuse is going to punish these countries by making Americans pay for it.. This is what the people wanted. Congressional power now in the hands of a madman and a drug addict.

Now we just sit back and wait for all those checks from Canada and Mexico and China, right?

The dumbest POTUS in history: - “A tariff is a tax on a foreign country. A lot of people like to say it’s a tax on us. No, it’s a tax that doesn’t affect our country.”

You cannot "tax" a foreign country. WE pay for it!

Biggest problem here is that there's millions upon millions of MAGAT's out there that buy into Trump's idiocy and lies as if those outrageous lies are bars of gold being passed out to them as gifts from God through Trump.

Mixing stupidity and gullibility and then handing these morons the ability to vote is even worse than Trump's cabinet picks made solely on the basis of unwavering fealty as the exclusive qualifier. No vetting allowed because of course, that would guarantee his picks would get the axe even before the starting confirmation gates are opened.
 
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mindless1

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Seriously good luck with the wealthy actually passing down your hypothetical end game benefits to you. Like really.
More money in the economy is a real thing, not at all hypothetical, not at all an end game, on the contrary it is the only long term solution.

Apparently you can't do math. Like, really.

I can see that there are a lot of butt-hurt moron trolls, in this topic, and as I've already mentioned NUMEROUS TIMES, I am in favor of doing productive things instead of whining like the great vague expanse is your MOM, (who would coddle this nonsense) and I am content to have whiners waste their time as if they think that they can somehow win an argument in this topic, that it will make any difference at all.

There will be multiple further troll replies to my posts, and they still won't be intelligent enough to recognize that they were piddling away their time in an unproductive way.

Get off your arse and make changes. Just use better arguments than the BS I see in this topic.

In the end, the long term goal is to keep more money in the US. If you have a better plan, please share it.

Back on topic, much of this tariff is a bluff, but some is real. We've had a trade disparity for a long time, and it's time to level the playing field. If a country cuts costs, it's time for them to bare those costs, instead of just putting the US at a disadvantage in trading. I wonder if anyone has actually paid attention to the difference?
 
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njdevilsfan87

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More money in the economy is a real thing, not at all hypothetical, not at all an end game, on the contrary it is the only long term solution.

Apparently you can't do math. Like, really.

You really convince yourself that you know what you're talking about. It's comical man, like you're sitting there really convinced that you're in the right. Like of course I want the utopia of America being self-sufficient, except we, and by we I mean those I refer to below - waited way too long to do this.

Because now let's just crash the velocity of money to nothing (since no one will be able to afford anything). What could possibly go wrong?

Or maybe those morals; the guys in power are literally part of what might as well be US-equivalent oligarchs that already profited off the rest of the world, and now are expecting YOU, me, and everyone else to somehow pay for and fix it. They will come out even more wealthy and powerful - while we have less. Because as things collapse - they will be the ones getting it all for pennies on dollar.

But again, morals because I'm somehow profiting paying anywhere from $70-$125 for a pair of Nikes in the "yesterday's system" (and those are outlet prices now). There may have been a period where things truly were cheap, but I sure as **** wasn't a part of that being a post-financial crisis graduate. I'm now in my prime and everything is expensive.
 
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nickqt

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What are you guys doing with your retirement portfolios? I'm like 15-25 years from retirement and kind of thinking about going to cash for a few months. Like why lose it all in a big market crash and waste 5-10 years for it to recover.
How much are you paying in taxes and fees to go to cash?
 

jdubs03

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Posting this here to provide some contextual data.

About wind power, looks pretty cheap and sensible to me:


Seems like Trump is the idiotic one here. Not everyone else. Hm, what a surprise.
 

mikeymikec

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OMG

None of you understand the real point of the tariffs?

Yes it's a stick to punish but it's far more than that. It's to incentivize US energy and manufacturing. Will it *hurt* a little, yes, absolutely it will, till US infrastructure regains what it has lost in the last couple decades.

Once that happens, we have more GDP, sending less money overseas. That helps the US economy, and everyone in it.

Stop being wieners that only think about the cost of your next cheap chinese widget and instead think about the larger picture which is long term, how much money we send overseas vs keep here.

Some people want to whine if their cheap chinese goods cost 10% more, but the bigger picture is shifting the unemployment rate (the real one, not the doctored rate that excludes those out of the pool), from subsidized/welfare to taxable earners, decreasing the bleeding financial losses, and making it less profitable for other countries to treat people like slaves to produce cheap goods.

You might think that it's only about a tax to raise prices for americans but that is mistaken.

It does much more than that. It makes american goods more competitive by penalizing those who treat their workers like slaves. How can some of you even sleep at night, knowing that your cheap chinese widget was made by child slave labor or even if adults, treated like animals?

SO SO MUCH greed, to get your cheap junk, as long as you benefit at the expense of other human beings? There is so much wrong with the TDS morons in this topic that I haven't even scratched the tip of the iceberg.

The primary problem with many replies in this topic is that they are made by people with low intelligence, that can't factor in more than a single variable like is the immediate cost of goods going to rise, without being able to see the longer term effect. It's easy to be short term greedy. Studies have shown that most low intelligence people gravitate towards that, even when it is to their detriment long term. Grab that nut while it's in front of you?

If you had long term plans, you can not only weather this but come out ahead, unless you expect to die soon and if that is the case, then I feel for you.

A simple question: Do you support abusing people to save 10%?

This is not hypothetical. It's reality.
What amazes me is that you apparently believe:

1 - Trump cares about any "bigger picture"
2 - Trump cares about labour conditions anywhere (Trump employs illegal immigrants)
3 - Trump cares about bringing manufacturing home ("Made in China" MAGA hats, for example)

Let's go through very simply why manufacturing gets outsourced. Rich capitalists want to pay as little as possible for maximum return. Any cost is a burden that they would rather avoid. That means they want to pay workers as little as possible, for workers to have as few benefits as possible, minimal safety precautions, no safety net for injured workers. Local (to the national level) people don't want to hear about children in their country getting maimed, poisoned, etc. So therefore the work gets outsourced. An additional advantage of doing so is that the angry workers with pitchforks are in another country so rich guy with no scruples doesn't need to worry about getting a pitchfork in his guts.

The cost of tariffs always get passed to the end user. If the rich capitalist wants to make cheaper products, then they'll move the manufacturing base to another country that isn't getting hit with tariffs. Even aside from tariffs, it makes sense for them to move manufacturing around so that the workforces are regularly reminded that they're completely expendable.

The added hilarity of your fundamentally misguided opinion is that the GQP has been relaxing labour regulations to allow more children into the workforce. The GQP has also been dismantling infrastructure to ensure better working conditions in the US, and giving out tax breaks to the ultra rich while increasing the tax burden to the lower earners. The GQP keeps trying to undermine advances towards universal healthcare in the US. Plus Trump is always running a new grift to take advantage of American people who don't know any better. That's the party in your opinion that cares about the welfare of the poor in your country.

Please, get a clue.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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What amazes me is that you apparently believe:

1 - Trump cares about any "bigger picture"
2 - Trump cares about labour conditions anywhere (Trump employs illegal immigrants)
3 - Trump cares about bringing manufacturing home ("Made in China" MAGA hats, for example)

Let's go through very simply why manufacturing gets outsourced. Rich capitalists want to pay as little as possible for maximum return. Any cost is a burden that they would rather avoid. That means they want to pay workers as little as possible, for workers to have as few benefits as possible, minimal safety precautions, no safety net for injured workers. Local (to the national level) people don't want to hear about children in their country getting maimed, poisoned, etc. So therefore the work gets outsourced. An additional advantage of doing so is that the angry workers with pitchforks are in another country so rich guy with no scruples doesn't need to worry about getting a pitchfork in his guts.

The cost of tariffs always get passed to the end user. If the rich capitalist wants to make cheaper products, then they'll move the manufacturing base to another country that isn't getting hit with tariffs. Even aside from tariffs, it makes sense for them to move manufacturing around so that the workforces are regularly reminded that they're completely expendable.

The added hilarity of your fundamentally misguided opinion is that the GQP has been relaxing labour regulations to allow more children into the workforce. The GQP has also been dismantling infrastructure to ensure better working conditions in the US, and giving out tax breaks to the ultra rich while increasing the tax burden to the lower earners. The GQP keeps trying to undermine advances towards universal healthcare in the US. Plus Trump is always running a new grift to take advantage of American people who don't know any better. That's the party in your opinion that cares about the welfare of the poor in your country.

Please, get a clue.
I mean, even he should be able to understand that the whole reason we outsourced manufacturing to begin with was because labor is cheaper outside the US. You can't make a widget for the same cost locally, it's gonna cost a LOT more. Everything will cost a LOT more, if we even bother to try to manufacture it.

The tariff costs are the new cost for everything. Nothing will come down from those prices, even if Trumpy drops the tariffs later. Home build costs are going to go up 25% by next week, and that's where they're straying.
 
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