The Trump Tariffs thread

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Oh and global financial meltdown. Dow futures down 1000 points. This is how you destroy the global economy and send everyone into recessions. I don’t wanna go to work tomorrow….
 

Indus

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I'm kind of excited for tomorrow really. May as well enjoy the shit show. I got a Costco rotisserie chicken today so I'll watch it all start to burn down with a Chicken Salad sandwich and whatever beer I decide to go with.

Someone know if White House insiders suggest an open top car through Texas yet?
 
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WilliamM2

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Here's The List Of Countries Trump Plans To Hit With Tariffs​


China - 34%
European Union - 20%
Vietnam - 46%
Taiwan - 32%
Japan - 24%
India - 26%
South Korea - 25%
Thailand - 36%
Switzerland - 31%
Indonesia - 32%
Malaysia - 24%
Cambodia - 49%
United Kingdom - 10%
South Africa - 30%
Brazil - 10%
Bangladesh - 37%
Singapore - 10%
Israel - 17%
Philippines - 17%
Chile - 10%
Australia - 10%
Pakistan - 29%
Turkey - 10%
Sri Lanka - 44%
Colombia - 10%
Peru - 10%
Nicaragua - 18%
Norway - 15%
Costa Rica - 10%
Jordan - 20%
Dominican Republic - 10%
United Arab Emirates - 10%
New Zealand - 10%
Argentina - 10%
Ecuador - 10%
Guatemala - 10%
Honduras - 10%
Madagascar - 47%
Myanmar (Burma) - 44%
Tunisia - 28%
Kazakhstan - 27%
Egypt - 10%
Saudi Arabia - 10%
El Salvador - 10%
Cote d’Iovire - 21%
Laos - 48%
Trinidad and Tobago - 10%
Morocco - 10%
Algeria - 30%
Oman - 10%
Uruguay - 10%
Bahamas - 10%
Lesotho - 50%
Ukraine - 10%
Bahrain - 10%
Qatar - 10%
Mauritius - 40%
Fiji - 32%
Iceland - 10%
Kenya - 10%
Liechtenstein - 37%
Guyana - 38%
Haiti - 10%
Bosnia and Herzegovina - 35%
Nigeria - 14%
Namibia - 21%
Brunei - 24%
Bolivia - 10%
Panama - 10%
Venezuela -15%
North Macedonia - 33%
Ethiopia - 10%
Ghana -10%
Serbia - 37%
Botswana - 37%

I can't find accurate numbers for Mexico or Canada. Is that 10% since 10% seems to be the baseline??

BTW Russkies seem exempt from tariffs.. anyone find that odd?
According to this article, those are JUST the reciprocal tariffs. Imposed on top of the existing tariffs, They give the example that China is now 54% total.
 

VRAMdemon

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Trump has made it crystal clear that he doesn’t believe the platitudes about how awesome the free market is. He believes all the worst things about the free market that a freshly-minted Marxist does, he just thinks they’re features instead of bugs. Trump doesn’t believe in the win-win, utility-maximizing transaction where the demand and supply curves cross, like the first day of Economics 101. He believes every transaction has a definite winner and a loser, it’s just that he thinks himself shrewd and ruthless enough to always be the winner.

It’s one of the sources of his success with the uneducated white lower class: they feel like they’re the definite loser of every transaction they’ve been in, and they think because Trump recognizes it that he’s on their side. It’s also why he has utter contempt for everyone he does business with. He doesn’t see their success and his as linked in any way (developer-contractor, employer-employee, etc.), he sees them as adversaries he’s already defeated.

Trump also doesn’t believe in free trade, where each nation follows its comparative advantage and makes what it makes best while other nations make what they make best and everyone’s better off. Which again is an abstraction, as a nation can collectively be better off from free trade and have sectors that aren’t better off, etc. To Trump, every nation that sells us something has just fucked us over. The more they sell the more they fuck us over. And it is "nations" to him: VW doesn’t sell cars to American individuals, Germany or the EU sells cars to the US. Nobody is a bigger believer in autarky than Trump, he’s more Juche than the Kims.

Except his overweening need to be the winner means he wants not an autarkic America but an economically conquering America that sells massive amounts of goods to the world while buying nothing from abroad. However improbable or unsustainable that is.

And that’s another source of his success with his base: people who remember, or were told by their parents, of the postwar years into the '50s when the US seemingly DID sell most everything to the rest of the world while buying little from abroad. It’s beyond their thinking that such a situation did not exist before the destruction of the war and could not exist too much longer after the war once nations started rebuilding their industry and infrastructure. They’ve convinced themselves, because these circumstances prevailed in their childhoods or early adulthoods, that this transient postwar anomaly was somehow the normal situation.

Sufficiently annoyed countries might stop using the USD as a reserve currency, or even investing in the US if they smell discrimination or think the US dismantling of consumer and investor protections means they no longer respect the rule of law.
 

NWRMidnight

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on one hand, this is stupid and going to cause a lot of economic problems

on the other hand, hopefully these economic problems result in a 2026 Democratic majority that will impede whatever Trump is cooking

but then, Trump gets to choose his Fed chair in 2026 and we are getting lower rates since the reported inflation rate will become fake news
He gets to pick the nominee, still had to be affirmed by Congress, so if Democrats take back the house/Senate, he won't be able to just stick his loyal Trump junk sucker in there.
 

K1052

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fskimospy

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Hey @Greenman. I know a lot of people are dunking on you here but honestly, you sort of asked for it.

This is abject stupidity on a scale the US has never seen. Any regrets about this? Even the SLIGHTEST regret?
 
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