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Jaskalas

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This is exactly it. These people WORSHIP Trump and the whatever he does. The vaccine was OK when developed under Trump, when Biden took over and pushed it, it was the plague. I work with a man whose own father died from COVID after refusing to take the vaccine...and it didnt change his mind about the vaccine at all. I know of two other families with the same take.
I've a family where those who were vaccinated did not become sick from COVID.
Where those who avoided the vaccine became very sick. A 70+ year old hospitalized.

Yet the MAGA propaganda has so twisted them, they STILL believe the vaccine was fake / is poison / is going to kill us all.
They believe it made women sterile. Despite a grandchild being born two years later. Now they reply "it was temporary". And if anyone thinks evidence would sway them, they'd say it's "It's a Democrat conspiracy". If the source of their information is not the Church of MAGA, then it cannot be real.

Another recent kick is how any women they do not like are now "Trans". This hate coming from an old women, now any OTHER women who is not young AND beautiful must clearly be a man.

To say the alt-reality is infuriating is an understatement. I can clearly state they LOVE these tariffs. It took just a single day before one of them received proper instruction on how an economic crash and high prices don't matter. Despite being concerned and pissed about it a day earlier. When MAGA speaks, it is the ONLY thing they hear. Their own lying eyes be damned.
 
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The whole “people don’t want cheap stuff” arguments being deployed across right wing media are doomed to epic failure. If this country has any underlying organizing principle it’s that consumers demand cheap shit and will want to kill you if it goes away.

Once pre-tariff stocks start to become depleted later this month and into May the folly will be super evident.
The "cheap stuff" is also how people's quality of life has really been boosted. Better foods (and fresh, year round produce), more toys and electronics, cheaper appliances - these are all things that came about because of trade.
 

K1052

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The "cheap stuff" is also how people's quality of life has really been boosted. Better foods (and fresh, year round produce), more toys and electronics, cheaper appliances - these are all things that came about because of trade.

Yes and many of the products we import are excellent and we cannot make then or at least most of the components. Average American has zero idea what the supply chain looks like for say a computer or a tv.
 
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Yes and many of the products we import are excellent and we cannot make then or at least most of the components. Average American has zero idea what the supply chain looks like for say a computer or a tv.
The average American think old airline ads depicting first class travel as what economy class used to look like or that Leave It to Beaver was an accurate representation of economic life for most in the 50s. I don't exactly trust their judgement about [name a something].
 
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amenx

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Worrying signs of domino effect of debt defaults.

Trump’s Trade War Is Setting Up the Next Big Debt Default Wave

Trump’s global trade war is already priming financial markets for the next wave of corporate defaults. A Bloomberg News measure of distressed debt worldwide swelled the most in at least 15 months this week, sending more than $43 billion of bonds and loans to levels that make it challenging to refinance...

 

Muse

Lifer
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This country may indeed be too fucking stupid to survive.

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TBH I couldn't wait to get out of HS and to the university. I remember only two of my HS teachers being particularly worthy of admiration, a math teacher whose classes were very much favored by people who gravitated to math/science and the chemistry teacher (Chem 1A/1B was a breeze at the U because of what he had taught us in HS).
 
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Muse

Lifer
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My dad used to spend $110 every month to watch 2 channels.. NY1 weather and Fox. I told him to save his money and taught him how to use a smart phone and a mouse.

But 25 years of $110 a month = $33,000 to basically fuck your own mind up.

Thankfully he's mostly recovered now from Fox now but has taken the apathetic view of.. it'll effect everyone and then maybe Trump will stop with the madness.

I'm much better with just figuring out where my money is going.. and other than Home Depot which is sometimes very hard to avoid.. even though I try like hell.. I have cancelled so many shopping places and outlets just because they're MAGA.

Sadly it's a virus and it's getting damn hard to avoid.

Actually come to think of it, it's becoming a religion. The person can be educated, skilled, hold good jobs but still believe crazy stuff that can't proven scientifically or historically and will offer fealty to their deity.

Just take this example of their loyalty and belief system:
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And that's BoA FFS.. not some "garage hedge fund"
S&P did rally the week of the inauguration and I wondered why. Treaded water for a month and then the decline started. This last week was interesting. 3 up days followed by the swan dive we've been in (i.e. Thursday & Friday) which was in reaction to the tariff EOs (illegal, that's congress' work) announced just after the US markets closed Wednesday afternoon and the world market reactions. I don't expect a rebound but have no crystal ball.
 
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Muse

Lifer
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I've a family where those who were vaccinated did not become sick from COVID.
Where those who avoided the vaccine became very sick. A 70+ year old hospitalized.

Yet the MAGA propaganda has so twisted them, they STILL believe the vaccine was fake / is poison / is going to kill us all.
They believe it made women sterile. Despite a grandchild being born two years later. Now they reply "it was temporary". And if anyone thinks evidence would sway them, they'd say it's "It's a Democrat conspiracy". If the source of their information is not the Church of MAGA, then it cannot be real.

Another recent kick is how any women they do not like are now "Trans". This hate coming from an old women, now any OTHER women who is not young AND beautiful must clearly be a man.

To say the alt-reality is infuriating is an understatement. I can clearly state they LOVE these tariffs. It took just a single day before one of them received proper instruction on how an economic crash and high prices don't matter. Despite being concerned and pissed about it a day earlier. When MAGA speaks, it is the ONLY thing they hear. Their own lying eyes be damned.
They need to cut off those conduits of propaganda poison. Do they watch Fox News? There should obviously be a MAJOR campaign in this country to disparage MAGA propaganda sources.
 

Muse

Lifer
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FAFO writ large. Dumpty leaving to watch golf was just icing on the cake.
Dude, he didn't watch golf, he went and played golf on one of his courses in FL yesterday, chauffeured in a golf cart by a Secret Service agent. Saw it on NBC network TV.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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They need to cut off those conduits of propaganda poison. Do they watch Fox News? There should obviously be a MAJOR campaign in this country to disparage MAGA propaganda sources.
If you were to hear it from them....
Fox News is too woke.
Newsmax is where MAGA lives its best life.
 

Paratus

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gorobei

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CBC goes thru tariff "formula"
TLDR: they took the value of imports exports and just divided the two numbers and then turned the % into the tariff. so it isnt even based on any actual law/tarrif said nation has or doesnt have on US goods. even worse there a nations that buy more from the US than they sell, and they still got slapped with a tariff. so not based on rationality or even reality.

[insert requisite insult to the intelligence of the administration expert]
 
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Indus

Lifer
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CBC goes thru tariff "formula"
TLDR: they took the value of imports exports and just divided the two numbers and then turned the % into the tariff. so it isnt even based on any actual law/tarrif said nation has or doesnt have on US goods. even worse there a nations that buy more from the US than they sell, and they still got slapped with a tariff. so not based on rationality or even reality.

[insert requisite insult to the intelligence of the administration expert]

You're expecting too much from people who aren't even smart in the first place.

This is MAGA:



Apparently money is better spent spray painting Trump 2024 signs than actually fixing the home or the pickup truck.
 

Puffnstuff

Lifer
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The maga faithful like my parents still worship the orange aura who can do no wrong in their eyes. They actually continue to blame democrats for issues that have been clearly caused they their chosen party.
 
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