The Trump Tariffs thread

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Pipeline 1010

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I don't see how this has anything to do with drug traffic at all.

I'm almost starting to wonder if the tariffs are a way to give advantages to Trump-friendly corporations in the U.S. as a way to pick winners and losers and reward supporters. Like will waive the tariffs on imports that help Tesla?

It's hard to see how Mexico can fight their cartels when they assassinate any politicians who try.
 

JTsyo

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This guy is a bit of a Blueanon but hard to deny that he has been correct on many of these points.

This seems to go way beyond just "rich guys enriching themselves more." This is a targeted attack designed to replace the US with a techno-monarchy of sorts. Look at what guy like Thiel and Yarvin have advocated for, for years.

These days I think a lot about the Helldivers game franchise, where the story is set on a future earth where there is "managed democracy," and it's exactly what you think it is. "Citizens" vote by answering a series of questions and then the AI votes in your best interest.

A little too on the nose?

I've heard it described as they made Trump the CEO of the US and the billionaires are the board that controls him. I don't think the techbros are dumb enough to think city-states are the future since history has already shown they get absorbed by larger nation states. Though Trump's talk about Freedom cities to be created on federal lands seems to be on that path.
 

ch33zw1z

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I'm almost starting to wonder if the tariffs are a way to give advantages to Trump-friendly corporations in the U.S. as a way to pick winners and losers and reward supporters. Like will waive the tariffs on imports that help Tesla?

It's hard to see how Mexico can fight their cartels when they assassinate any politicians who try.
This is exactly what it is. Using monetary penalties to pick winners and losers. Rewards for fealty, penalizing those who dare speak out
 
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K1052

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Getting basically all Canadian politicians to agree that they will uniformly work to fuck over the US and Musk specifically is a considerable accomplishment.

The kind of economic combat Trump enjoys is tipping over into patriotism for the impacted countries now. Making it way less likely that anybody caves.
 
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Already had three meetings around tariffs and the impact to the market this morning and it hasn't even opened yet. The amount of panic selling reminds me of the good old pandemic days. This is clearly the work of a very stable genius.
 

K1052

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I did more than my average online shopping last week, i.e. before Saturday.

After the election I finished a couple appliance purchases that I'd been putting off and we both got new computers. I can get through the next four years without buying any major durable goods barring anything unexpected.
 

NWRMidnight

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OMG

None of you understand the real point of the tariffs?

Yes it's a stick to punish but it's far more than that. It's to incentivize US energy and manufacturing. Will it *hurt* a little, yes, absolutely it will, till US infrastructure regains what it has lost in the last couple decades.

Once that happens, we have more GDP, sending less money overseas. That helps the US economy, and everyone in it.

Stop being wieners that only think about the cost of your next cheap chinese widget and instead think about the larger picture which is long term, how much money we send overseas vs keep here.

Some people want to whine if their cheap chinese goods cost 10% more, but the bigger picture is shifting the unemployment rate (the real one, not the doctored rate that excludes those out of the pool), from subsidized/welfare to taxable earners, decreasing the bleeding financial losses, and making it less profitable for other countries to treat people like slaves to produce cheap goods.

You might think that it's only about a tax to raise prices for americans but that is mistaken.

It does much more than that. It makes american goods more competitive by penalizing those who treat their workers like slaves. How can some of you even sleep at night, knowing that your cheap chinese widget was made by child slave labor or even if adults, treated like animals?

SO SO MUCH greed, to get your cheap junk, as long as you benefit at the expense of other human beings? There is so much wrong with the TDS morons in this topic that I haven't even scratched the tip of the iceberg.

The primary problem with many replies in this topic is that they are made by people with low intelligence, that can't factor in more than a single variable like is the immediate cost of goods going to rise, without being able to see the longer term effect. It's easy to be short term greedy. Studies have shown that most low intelligence people gravitate towards that, even when it is to their detriment long term. Grab that nut while it's in front of you?

If you had long term plans, you can not only weather this but come out ahead, unless you expect to die soon and if that is the case, then I feel for you.

A simple question: Do you support abusing people to save 10%?

This is not hypothetical. It's reality.
There is so much ignorance and/or bullshit in this post, it's really pointless to spend a lot of time on telling you why. But I am going to ask you these question: 1) How do tarrifs insentivise US energy? we are already dominate in fossil fuels where we are the number 1 in oil production, and the leader in renuable energy? So be specific when you explain how tarrifs will insentivise US energy. 2) Why did us manufacturing leave the US? How will tarrif's change that and bring jobs/manufacturing back to the US? If you have an ounce of integrity and spend some time researching basic facts, and give those questions some honest thought, you will find out that tarrifs won't do what you claim.. they will actually do the opposite on nearly everything you listed.
 
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Trump finally talked to Trudeau. Might be getting cold feet.
The fact that his Press Sec said Trudeau should talk to Trump only to have Trudeau state that every attempt to communicate was rejected probably didn't help. Can't really say it's about anything if you refuse to speak to the other sides. At that point it's only about Trump.
 
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NWRMidnight

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More money in the economy is a real thing, not at all hypothetical, not at all an end game, on the contrary it is the only long term solution.

Apparently you can't do math. Like, really.

I can see that there are a lot of butt-hurt moron trolls, in this topic, and as I've already mentioned NUMEROUS TIMES, I am in favor of doing productive things instead of whining like the great vague expanse is your MOM, (who would coddle this nonsense) and I am content to have whiners waste their time as if they think that they can somehow win an argument in this topic, that it will make any difference at all.

There will be multiple further troll replies to my posts, and they still won't be intelligent enough to recognize that they were piddling away their time in an unproductive way.

Get off your arse and make changes. Just use better arguments than the BS I see in this topic.

In the end, the long term goal is to keep more money in the US. If you have a better plan, please share it.

Back on topic, much of this tariff is a bluff, but some is real. We've had a trade disparity for a long time, and it's time to level the playing field. If a country cuts costs, it's time for them to bare those costs, instead of just putting the US at a disadvantage in trading. I wonder if anyone has actually paid attention to the difference?
Except tarrifs won't result in more money in the economy. There will actually be less, because tarrifs hurt the middle class the most, who are the engine that keeps the economy going. Tarrifs will not only cause inflation, reducing the buying power of All American's, but will hurt the middle class and the poor the most. The money the Trump's "government" takes in from the tarrifs, will be used to subsidize tax cuts for corporations and the rich. AKA they will be used to increase the wealth of the top 1%, and do nothing for the economy. If you question what will happen if we stay on this path, take a hard look at the great depression, becasue much worse is in our future if we dont stop Trump and his idiocy..
 
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lmao one of the big selling points of crypto was that it would be a hedge for when the markets are in trouble

whole thing is absolutely eating shit right now
If your "currency" can't be exchanged for goods and services without being converted to a real currency, it is useless.

Crypto has always been monopoly money, whose main use is to do illegal things like buying drugs online.
 

evident

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I'm really hoping Trump is just doing a "fire and fury" thing, like he did with north korea and ended up trying to talk to them. not keeping my hopes up for anything though.
 
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I'm really hoping Trump is just doing a "fire and fury" thing, like he did with north korea and ended up trying to talk to them. not keeping my hopes up for anything though.
Actually we are at that point. They are now signaling "progress" with Mexico. Still ranting about Canada though but now they are talking with another at 3 today.

Off ramp is being laid out.
 

K1052

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Actually we are at that point. They are now signaling "progress" with Mexico. Still ranting about Canada though but now they are talking with another at 3 today.

Off ramp is being laid out.

So far the Mexican reaction publicly seems to be "fine we can live with it" while still implementing their own retaliation but without fanfare. Tone indicates that they will focus on trade relationships with China and Europe.
 
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Actually we are at that point. They are now signaling "progress" with Mexico. Still ranting about Canada though but now they are talking with another at 3 today.

Off ramp is being laid out.
An off ramp is being laid out, but the ground has already been salted. Countries are more and more going to make trade agreements that exclude the US, or when they do include us, demand substantially more concessions.

And those same countries are going to look to foster their own service sectors. No more turning to American companies... This nonsense will reverberate for decades to come.
 
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