The Trump Tariffs thread

[hal2kilo]

So the finding out begins. Been nice if the voters had the slightest clue about economics.

MAGA doesn't get capitalism: Trump will teach them the hard way

Today's Republicans have swallowed so many economic myths that reality has disappeared. They face a wakeup call

www.salon.com

“Are you better off today than you were four years ago?” Frankly, it’s an illogical question in a capitalist nation. Some people are of course worse off, and I don’t mean to make light of that. But in fact, many millions are better off; Joe Biden’s administration oversaw the recovery of millions of jobs lost during the COVID pandemic and the creation of millions more. Some people out there will be worse off by the time they finish this article than when they commenced reading it. I’m not being flippant; that’s reality.

Welcome to capitalism, a system whose proponents always cite unequal outcomes as a reason for extolling it.

So eggs are expensive? Eat fewer of them. Cut down on egg whites. Let them eat yolks.

 

[gothuevos]

Wrong. Only because the drama and effects of covid as well. The combination.

Again you're looking back to 2020 when he just won a few months ago. This is four years later. You got to get with the times.

Not living in the present makes absolutely zero sense.

Agree, this will 100% get billed as a victory for the "shrewd negotiator" Trump.

 

[MrSquished]

Current headline at the Guardian. As predicted. And the Guardian is a decent paper. Anybody who thinks this is bad for Trump is just daydreaming.

 

[Viper1j]

I just can't see that happening. That risks people lives. No way it's just shut off.

It's possible to live without football.

 

[WelshBloke]

Disagree. We've seen this time and time again. And this is why people voted for Trump.

The best outcome would have been for Mexico to say nope, you back down and that's the only option.

That would not be the best option for Mexico though.
From Mexico's position Trump did back down. How Trump spins it to his domestic audience isn't their battle.

 

[K1052]

My criticisms of the media are legion but few people impacted by his actions are reading The Guardian lol.

They're talking to each other at work and on social media worried they could be laid off or their business model wrecked.

 

[MrSquished]

That would not be the best option for Mexico though.
From Mexico's position Trump did back down. How Trump spins it to his domestic audience isn't their battle.

Of course. But I am talking about how this all looks for Trump.

 

[MrSquished]

My criticisms of the media are legion but few people impacted by his actions are reading The Guardian lol.

They're talking to each other at work and on social media worried they could be laid off or their business model wrecked.

They are going to be on social media seeing - Trump gets Mexico to send troops to the border. Have you even heard in whose favor social media works in yet? I'll give you a hint, it's not the failed Democratic party.

 

[WelshBloke]

Of course. But I am talking about how this all looks for Trump.

The rest of the world knows that they just have to put up with him for a while.
America voted for it's domestic problems, it's not the rest of the worlds responsibility to fix those.

 

[gothuevos]

My criticisms of the media are legion but few people impacted by his actions are reading The Guardian lol.

They're talking to each other at work and on social media worried they could be laid off or their business model wrecked.

Yes and now Trump "saved them" AND got Mexico to help more with border security.

What a guy.

 

[MrSquished]

The rest of the world knows that they just have to put up with him for a while.
America voted for it's domestic problems, it's not the rest of the worlds responsibility to fix those.

And who said it was? You are ascribing things I never said about this tariff thing. I have merely targeted how this will make Trump look here, where his support is.

But on a separate note, yes, Trump is the world's problem too btw. And they should figure out ways to pull him down. I'm not saying this was their job to do now, but since you brought it up, I am going to say it. You are acting like Trump in charge of America is just our domestic problem, not the world's problem.

That's also a very ignorant take. You do realize that what the US does greatly impacts the world, because, well, I mean, we are this giant country and superpower.

 

[K1052]

Yes and now Trump "saved them" AND got Mexico to help more with border security.

What a guy.

The central justification for the tariff regime was that it would cause manufacturing to move back to the US and more jobs for American workers. This is what formed the core of ideological support for them amongst US workers. Now the win is uh Mexico deploying troops to stop fentanyl sorry no extra jobs for you. Simultaneously they all just had their employment threatened by the trade action. To as least some of them this is not going to look like "Good job Mr. Trump!".

 

[WelshBloke]

And who said it was? You are ascribing things I never said about this tariff thing. I have merely targeted how this will make Trump look here, where his support is.

You were suggesting that Mexico harms it's economy to make Trump more unpopular domestically. Mexico isn't going to do that and shouldn't.

But on a separate note, yes, Trump is the world's problem too btw. And they should figure out ways to pull him down. I'm not saying this was their job to do now, but since you brought it up, I am going to say it. You are acting like Trump in charge of America is just our domestic problem, not the world's problem.

Deliberately targeting an elected leader of a country because you don't like him is the kind of politics Trump does. That sort of thing doesn't go well for anyone.
The rest of the world needs to look at their own interests rather than get drawn into one of Trumps childish arguments.

That's also a very ignorant take. You do realize that what the US does greatly impacts the world, because, well, I mean, we are this giant country and superpower.

Yeah and picking a fight with it's leader is a daft thing to do. If there's a way out that lets Trump feel like he won without having to do anything particularly onerous then that's the obvious path.

 

[MrSquished]

You were suggesting that Mexico harms it's economy to make Trump more unpopular domestically. Mexico isn't going to do that and shouldn't.

Deliberately targeting an elected leader of a country because you don't like him is the kind of politics Trump does. That sort of thing doesn't go well for anyone.
The rest of the world needs to look at their own interests rather than get drawn into one of Trumps childish arguments.

Yeah and picking a fight with it's leader is a daft thing to do. If there's a way out that lets Trump feel like he won without having to do anything particularly onerous then that's the obvious path.

I said Mexico should have done that? Where? Quote me.

And again, thinking Trump is just an American domestic problem, WHICH YOU SAID, is completely wrong. Nothing you said here changes that. Your words:

America voted for it's domestic problems, it's not the rest of the worlds responsibility to fix those.

 

[gothuevos]

The central justification for the tariff regime was that it would cause manufacturing to move back to the US and more jobs for American workers. This is what formed the core of ideological support for them amongst US workers. Now the win is uh Mexico deploying troops to stop fentanyl sorry no extra jobs for you. Simultaneously they all just had their employment threatened by the trade action. To as least some of them this is not going to look like "Good job Mr. Trump!".

Doubtful they will notice.

The average voter has the memory of a goldfish, aka what have you done for me lately.

 

[WelshBloke]

I said Mexico should have done that? Where? Quote me.

Here...

The best outcome would have been for Mexico to say nope, you back down and that's the only option.

And again, thinking Trump is just an American domestic problem, WHICH YOU SAID, is completely wrong. Nothing you said here changes that. Your words:

I don't think that Trump is just an American domestic problem, what I'm saying is that the rest of the world will deal with international trade in a way that gives the best outcome for them. Making Trump look bad at home isn't, and shouldn't, be one of it's aims.

 

[MrSquished]

Here...


I don't think that Trump is just an American domestic problem, what I'm saying is that the rest of the world will deal with international trade in a way that gives the best outcome for them. Making Trump look bad at home isn't, and shouldn't, be one of it's aims.

Right I said that for making Trump look bad. I never said it would be better for Mexico. My entire points here have only been about the perception of trump and his success versus failure.

In no way did I imply that's what I thought would be best for Mexico.

 

[WelshBloke]

Right I said that for making Trump look bad. I never said it would be better for Mexico. My entire points here have only been about the perception of trump and his success versus failure.

In no way did I imply that's what I thought would be best for Mexico.

So why should Mexico do it then?

Like I said, the rest of the world needs to look out for it's own interests here.

I dislike Trump as much as you do and I absolutely see where you are coming from but governments are used to making deals with unsavoury dictators, corrupt third world nations. You do them without getting drawn into their domestic problems. I think that the shock for the world is that the US seems to be actively trying to become a corrupt third world nation run by an unsavoury dictator! But that's not our decision to make!

 

[K1052]

Accelerationists are disappointed that a foreign nation won’t sacrifice itself to solve our own political problems for us lol.

 

[MrSquished]

So why should Mexico do it then?

Like I said, the rest of the world needs to look out for it's own interests here.

I dislike Trump as much as you do and I absolutely see where you are coming from but governments are used to making deals with unsavoury dictators, corrupt third world nations. You do them without getting drawn into their domestic problems. I think that the shock for the world is that the US seems to be actively trying to become a corrupt third world nation run by an unsavoury dictator! But that's not our decision to make!

Again I didn't say Mexico should not have made this deal. How many times do I have to repeat myself? I was talking about how this is going to look in regards to Trump and his governing for his overall perception here where he is in power.

 

[Viper1j]

It's possible to live without football.

Check this.. We'll find out next week.

 

[MrSquished]

There is a less than 0% chance that Canada cuts off power to the US anytime soon.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

There is a less than 0% chance that Canada cuts off power to the US anytime soon.

There's a tiny chance of an export tariff but no chance it gets shut off. Not going to happen.

 

[WelshBloke]

Again I didn't say Mexico should not have made this deal.

Apologies then, I must have mistakenly read this as you saying that Mexico shouldn't have made this deal!

The best outcome would have been for Mexico to say nope, you back down and that's the only option.

 

[Iron Woode]

I wish more US people would listen to these words spoken by John F. Kennedy:

“Geography has made us neighbors. History has made us friends. Economics has made us partners. And necessity has made us allies. Those whom nature hath so joined together, let no man put asunder.”

JFK's speech in Canadian Parliament.