The Trump Tariffs thread

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ivwshane

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They should lower the minimum wage for the MAGA states to $1200 a year or $100 a month.

Then it would make sense to manufacture in those states!

Don't look at me weird.. they VOTED for this and they should get EXACTLY WHAT THEY VOTED FOR!

Or just let them enact their child exploitation laws and let the kids work.
 

SteveGrabowski

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that isn't likely and even if true it won't change anything I said.
You have watched Trump disappear international students for being critical of Israel's genocide and you think he's going to stop there wrt the First Amendment? I got a bridge to sell you then.
 

biostud

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I wonder if China/US tariff situation between Xi and Trump will end up like this:

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I've seen some talk on r/conservative (it's an interesting place) how Trump needs to get the EU onboard to also tariff China. Yeah, EU will get tariffed by the US and will be called "very nasty" and that "the EU was formed to screw the US" and now they'll add tariffs on China by US request? It's much more likely that EU will increase trade with China.
Yup, before Trump EU and US and its allies had common goals towards China.
Now Japan, South Korea and China is working together against Trump and EU, UK and Canada are working together against Trump, not China.

So he just gave China a get out of jail for free card.
 

Indus

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That should make @GunsMadeAmericaFree very happy! He voted for this..

 

ivwshane

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The trade deficit isn't some "national emergency" It's a sign of America's strength!

A trade deficit sounds bad, but it is neither good nor bad.

It doesn’t mean the U.S. is losing money. It simply means foreigners are sending the U.S. more goods than the U.S. is sending them. America is getting more cheap goods, and in return it is giving foreigners financial assets: dollars issued by the Federal Reserve, bonds from the U.S. government and American corporations, and stocks in newly created firms.

That is, a trade deficit can only arise if foreigners invest more in the U.S. than Americans invest abroad. In other words, a country can only have a trade deficit if it also has an equally sized investment surplus. America entrepreneurship attracts global capital and fuels the deficit. The U.S. is able to sustain a large trade deficit because so many foreigners are eager to invest here. One major reason is the safety of the U.S. dollar. Around the world, from large corporations to ordinary households, the dollar is used for saving, trading, and settling debt. As the world economy grows so does the demand for dollars and dollar dominated assets. from cash to Treasury bills and corporate bonds. Because the dollar is so attractive, the Federal Reserve gets to mint extra cash for use abroad, and the U.S. government and American employers and families can borrow money at lower interest rates. Blaming foreigners for the trade deficit, therefore, is like blaming the bank for charging a low interest rate. We have a trade deficit because foreigners willingly charge us low interest rates – and we choose to spend that credit.

Trumps frenzied attacks on the nation’s trade deficit show he’s misreading a sign of American economic strength as a weakness. Rather than reviving U.S. manufacturing, Trump’s extreme tariffs and erratic foreign policy are likely to instead scare off foreign investors altogether and undercut the dollar’s global role. That would shrink the trade deficit – but only by eroding the very pillars of the country’s economic dominance, at a steep cost to American firms and families.

Trump’s authority to levy these tariffs is based on statute. Statutes which can be nullified through another act of Congress.

2/3 of Congress to override a veto. Dems hold roughly half of each house. Meaning it would take 1 in 3 republicans to vote with Dems to end this madness. Remember that during the midterms. They are more than happy to sacrifice themselves if it means owning the Dems. Never underestimate their hate and stupidity. no working American is going to “win” in this stupid fucking trade war.
You know this, we know this. The people who elected him don’t care about though. They’ll keep waiting for the Wizard of incompetence to make things better just like they’ll wait for Hillary to be locked up or for Mexico to pay for the wall, everything is going to be better…just wait.

Like all cults before MAGA, followers don’t question repeatedly failed timelines.
 
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MrSquished

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To be clear, Momentsofsanity said "huge rounding error" in response to RnR_au's post that everyone else but china, India, EU is a "rounding error"
More reason to have posted a /s after him comment.

I thought the same thing as Momentsofsanity, as Mexico and Canada are a huge rounding errors. US imports from Mexico was 505B last year. That's more import money than US had with China
I missed that. My bad @MomentsofSanity we agreed with each other, I picked up the conversation hastily
 
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esquared

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Futures already down 1.5-2.0%
Oil down to 56.
swasticar down to 218.
 

biostud

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Also when the trade deficit was calculated with EU and probably others too, digital services from Google, Microsoft, Meta etc was not included. Do he knows how US makes its earnings?
 

Jaskalas

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Reportedly it was Jared who found Navarro for Trump by, and I am not kidding, reading a synopsis of Navarro's book off Amazon.

But yes they are two peas in a pod on this for sure.
A corrupt leader only listening to affirmation.
Trump behaves just like Putin.
In Trump's America, someday soon... YOU will be the meat wave to take on Mexico!
 

ivwshane

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Reportedly it was Jared who found Navarro for Trump by, and I am not kidding, reading a synopsis of Navarro's book off Amazon.

But yes they are two peas in a pod on this for sure.

I believe it was even dumber than that; Jared saw the cover and the title of Navarro’s book and reached out to him. Another fun tidbit; Navarro apparently referenced a supposed expert in economics in several of his books. Turns out that reference was made up and an anagram of Navarro.

Yes, we are living in the dumbest timeline. I feel we are about 5-10 years out from idiocracy becoming a reality.
 

SteveGrabowski

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I believe it was even dumber than that; Jared saw the cover and the title of Navarro’s book and reached out to him. Another fun tidbit; Navarro apparently referenced a supposed expert in economics in several of his books. Turns out that reference was made up and an anagram of Navarro.

Yes, we are living in the dumbest timeline. I feel we are about 5-10 years out from idiocracy becoming a reality.
I don't see it, Camacho would be a way better president than Trump.
 

QueBert

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MAGAts are beaming about the 50 reported countries that want to talk with Trump and work out a deal! This has to mean his tariffs idea aren't bad and they're working!

Imagine my lack of enthusiasm when I saw a list of countries that account for the tiniest of a fraction percent of our imports and exports. I'm pretty damn sure countries that makes up .0001% of our imports don't matter here. While I'm sure for a lot of those countries resolving the tariff thing could be make or break for them. Not gonna do shit on our side.
 

Muse

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Futures already down 1.5-2.0%
Oil down to 56.
swasticar down to 218.
If this keeps up it really might be the 2nd coming of the Great Depression and in pretty short order.

I find it amazing that Trump's very public assertion that a Kamala Harris victory would quickly precipitate the economy crumbling is turning out to be his own epitaph, and oddly enough by virtue of his own premeditated actions. No one can compete with him when it comes to worst-president-ever standard. He's got that cornered. This is quite the case of truth stranger than fiction.
 
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Muse

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I believe it was even dumber than that; Jared saw the cover and the title of Navarro’s book and reached out to him. Another fun tidbit; Navarro apparently referenced a supposed expert in economics in several of his books. Turns out that reference was made up and an anagram of Navarro.

Yes, we are living in the dumbest timeline. I feel we are about 5-10 years out from idiocracy becoming a reality.
The anagram he made up (secretly, he didn't reveal this in his book) was Ron Vara.

Just goes to show, be careful of that book you encounter and read a free portion of on Amazon. Doing so could lead to the end of modern civilization!
 
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RalphTheCow

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Navarro and Trump probably neck and neck for world’s most hated man now. Musk and Putin lagging. Lutnick and Bessent rising fast.

Annnd the bleach has been injected into the world economy. Mission accomplished.
 
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RalphTheCow

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R's turning on him in Congress
Dump Trump! Dump Trump! Well past time to kick him to the curb. Better late than never. We can do it! Veto proof majority for the win. Ok, not win, but to get to the life boats. .And dare we dream of a well-deserved impeachment WITH conviction? Now I am just being silly.
 
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