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Heartbreaker

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California should pass a law that import fees and taxes should be disclosed to all consumers. Just like the disclosure laws on ALL OTHER TAXES.
Being the largest state customer of online goods, that would force the change on most of not all websites.

Should also label it the "Trump Tax".
 
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Indus

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How about drinking Russian vodka?

I don't often drink vodka but when I do, it's Absolut!

They're a Swedish brand!

Currently I still have some bottles of bourbon left but I'm boycotting MAGA states so bourbon too. Infact I haven't really had bourbon after the election so the bottle's been collecting dust for a while.
 

Heartbreaker

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Hope Bezos had a spine!

Well technically he can phrase it as President Dumbass's Tariff or PDT cost if he is forbidden from naming Trump by name!

MAGA won't understand since they're not the sharpest.

I'm pretty sure the spineless ship has sailed on Jeff Bezos.

He stepped down form Amazon day to day operations and CEO title back in 2021, so probably wasn't aware of this.

I'm positive he will quickly thrash his underling CEO for daring to annoy the Trump.
 

Josh128

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Well it should be a consideration, lol. I order a lot of industrial instrumentation parts at very high prices, and a lot of the quotes are coming back with "tariff surcharge" line items. Usually on the order of 10% or so, I havent seen anything crazy yet. Even though its 10%, that money is tangible, right there to see before you order.
 

Brovane

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UPS to cut 20K jobs this year due to lower package volume fallout from tariffs.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ups-job-cuts-layoffs-amazon-shipments-stock-price/

From reading the article you linked to, I am not sure if I would make that same conclusion about lower package volume from tariffs.
From reading this, UPS decided on a lower volume probably because their margins where to low with Amazon.



"Strong" relationship with Amazon
The company in January said it had reached an agreement with Amazon to decrease its delivery volume by more than 50% in the second half of 2026.

"The reduction of package volume from Amazon is something UPS chose to do as we focus on revenue quality, and increase domestic operating margin and profitability," a UPS spokesperson told CBS MoneyWatch in an email.

Amazon said in an email to CBS MoneyWatch that the company has a "strong working relationship" with UPS and that it had actually offered to increase UPS' volumes before the delivery company made the decision to reduce its Amazon shipments.

"Due to their operational needs, UPS requested a reduction in volume and we certainly respect their decision," said Kelly Nantel, an Amazon spokesperson. "We'll continue to partner with them and many other carriers to serve our customers.
 

MrSquished

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From reading the article you linked to, I am not sure if I would make that same conclusion about lower package volume from tariffs.
From reading this, UPS decided on a lower volume probably because their margins where to low with Amazon.



"Strong" relationship with Amazon
The company in January said it had reached an agreement with Amazon to decrease its delivery volume by more than 50% in the second half of 2026.

"The reduction of package volume from Amazon is something UPS chose to do as we focus on revenue quality, and increase domestic operating margin and profitability," a UPS spokesperson told CBS MoneyWatch in an email.

Amazon said in an email to CBS MoneyWatch that the company has a "strong working relationship" with UPS and that it had actually offered to increase UPS' volumes before the delivery company made the decision to reduce its Amazon shipments.

"Due to their operational needs, UPS requested a reduction in volume and we certainly respect their decision," said Kelly Nantel, an Amazon spokesperson. "We'll continue to partner with them and many other carriers to serve our customers.
Of course they are going to say shit like this. Bezos is literally kissing the ring, most CEOs don't want to upset Trump and blame anything on him.

There is no way you can spin UPS laying off 20,000 workers as a routine thing and there's no way you could ignore the current tariff situation as a factor. I mean the timing cannot be ignored
 

Sonikku

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I'm glad Amazon has reassured us that there won't be any transparency on price increases because the madman responsible threatened them.
 
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Brovane

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Of course they are going to say shit like this. Bezos is literally kissing the ring, most CEOs don't want to upset Trump and blame anything on him.

There is no way you can spin UPS laying off 20,000 workers as a routine thing and there's no way you could ignore the current tariff situation as a factor. I mean the timing cannot be ignored

UPS has 400k+ employees in the US. UPS laying off 20,000 is basically 5% of their labor force, while 20,000 seems like a huge cut it really isn't when you look at how many employees are employed by UPS.

Amazon squeezes the companies that do deliveries for it, very hard for every penny. It seems perfectly plausible to me that UPS would decide that it wouldn't want to deliver packages from Amazon when the margins are shitty. Some clients are not worth keeping.

There is a lot of other shitty things that Trump tariffs are having. From my reading the article linked, I don't see how that article is making the case that Trump's tariff's are causing this.
 

K1052

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From reading the article you linked to, I am not sure if I would make that same conclusion about lower package volume from tariffs.
From reading this, UPS decided on a lower volume probably because their margins where to low with Amazon.



"Strong" relationship with Amazon
The company in January said it had reached an agreement with Amazon to decrease its delivery volume by more than 50% in the second half of 2026.

"The reduction of package volume from Amazon is something UPS chose to do as we focus on revenue quality, and increase domestic operating margin and profitability," a UPS spokesperson told CBS MoneyWatch in an email.

Amazon said in an email to CBS MoneyWatch that the company has a "strong working relationship" with UPS and that it had actually offered to increase UPS' volumes before the delivery company made the decision to reduce its Amazon shipments.

"Due to their operational needs, UPS requested a reduction in volume and we certainly respect their decision," said Kelly Nantel, an Amazon spokesperson. "We'll continue to partner with them and many other carriers to serve our customers.

Shipping for Amazon is indeed likely low margin for them. However that package flow is going to be substantially reduced due to tariffs seems like something they already know is happening.

In its quarterly earnings statement, the company also mentioned the risk that shifts in global trade policy could have on business. The Trump administration has introduced sweeping new tariffs in recent months that have already began to impact the flow of goods in and out of the country, and around the world.
 

Brovane

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Shipping for Amazon is indeed likely low margin for them. However that package flow is going to be substantially reduced due to tariffs seems like something they already know is happening.

I still don't see how the article you linked really makes that conclusion about Trump tariff's and Amazon volume when it specifically talks about UPS deciding to shift away from doing as much business with Amazon because of crappy margins. Probably posting to start with the Amazon earnings statement would have made your point better. Sorry I just see to many people post a article that is supposed to support the point they are making and when you actually read the article, it doesn't. This is really a common theme with MAGA.
 

repoman0

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So is there just going to be a phantom price increase between seeing it on the storefront and paying for your basket?
I suspect products will just be listed for more money with no tariff breakdown. State tax in the US is basically the phantom price increase in the cart but it’s predictable, in my state it’s only 6% and we’re used to it working that way.
 

MrSquished

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UPS has 400k+ employees in the US. UPS laying off 20,000 is basically 5% of their labor force, while 20,000 seems like a huge cut it really isn't when you look at how many employees are employed by UPS.

Amazon squeezes the companies that do deliveries for it, very hard for every penny. It seems perfectly plausible to me that UPS would decide that it wouldn't want to deliver packages from Amazon when the margins are shitty. Some clients are not worth keeping.

There is a lot of other shitty things that Trump tariffs are having. From my reading the article linked, I don't see how that article is making the case that Trump's tariff's are causing this.
You are acting like this article is god, and taking what both these companies are saying at face value. First of all we already know about what companies are doing to bow down to the orange fascist - Bezos made it very clear himself. What Amazon says is meaningless after the Trump shakedown. Second, the media sucks at covering Trump, this we know from many years of experience.

A 5% reduction in workforce is nothing to sneeze at, and considering the economy was in a totally upward trajectory until three months ago. The single biggest economic factor slowing things down have been the tariffs, and literally ship traffic from China has dropped precipitously - because of, you guessed it, the tariffs - coincidentally a place where Amazon gets a massive bulk of its products from. In fact Amazon was literally going to put the tariff price increase on it's listings, until Bezos bowed to Trump.

These layoffs are a direct result of the tariffs. There is no other way to add 2 + 2 in this instance to be anything but 4. But, not seeing reality and adding things up correctly - that seems to be a really common theme with MAGA
 
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