The truth about Iraq

XMan

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I'll take the word of my brother (spent over a year IED-hunting) over some anonymous internet videos, thanks . . .
 

Siddhartha

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Originally posted by: XMan
I'll take the word of my brother (spent over a year IED-hunting) over some anonymous internet videos, thanks . . .

What did your brother say?
 

datalink7

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Jan 23, 2001
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Without knowing what the video's say (my internet is too slow to really watch them), I doubt a few video's can show "the truth about Iraq." Not quite so simple.
 

palehorse

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Dec 21, 2005
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According to the latest studies conducted by WHO, the number of Iraqi civilian deaths totals around 150,000 (released just last week!) -- not "one million innocent civilian deaths" like that kid in the second video would have you believe...

I'll comment more on this garbage later.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Siddhartha
Originally posted by: XMan
I'll take the word of my brother (spent over a year IED-hunting) over some anonymous internet videos, thanks . . .

What did your brother say?
"No not the green wire!!!!"
 

bamacre

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Jul 1, 2004
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Here is some truth about Iraq. We should never have went in there. It's costing us as much as $2 trillion, depending how long we stay, and every penny spent over there is being borrowed because we can't afford it. AQ's recruitment is up, not down. We aren't any safer. Well over 3000 of our brave men and women have died (and many many more wounded) for no reason.
 

palehorse

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Dec 21, 2005
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Originally posted by: bamacre
Here is some truth about Iraq. We should never have went in there. It's costing us as much as $2 trillion, depending how long we stay, and every penny spent over there is being borrowed because we can't afford it. AQ's recruitment is up, not down. We aren't any safer. Well over 3000 of our brave men and women have died (and many many more wounded) for no reason.
Does anyone have a GoBack Machine? Or can't we just call "Do overs!"??

no?

gee Beav... now what!? Withdraw immediately and completely, close our eyes, cover our ears with our hands, run around in circles shouting "LALALA," and pretend it never happened?
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: bamacre
Here is some truth about Iraq. We should never have went in there. It's costing us as much as $2 trillion, depending how long we stay, and every penny spent over there is being borrowed because we can't afford it. AQ's recruitment is up, not down. We aren't any safer. Well over 3000 of our brave men and women have died (and many many more wounded) for no reason.
Does anyone have a GoBack Machine? Or can't we just call "Do overs!"??

no?

gee Beav... now what!? Withdraw immediately and completely, close our eyes, cover our ears with our hands, run around in circles shouting "LALALA," and pretend it never happened?

While you pretend we can afford to stay.

:roll:
 

WHAMPOM

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
According to the latest studies conducted by WHO, the number of Iraqi civilian deaths totals around 150,000 (released just last week!) -- not "one million innocent civilian deaths" like that kid in the second video would have you believe...

I'll comment more on this garbage later.

WHO never left the "GREEN ZONE" unlike the "other" study. They only counted the available figures reported to Bagdad officials.
 

event8horizon

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
According to the latest studies conducted by WHO, the number of Iraqi civilian deaths totals around 150,000 (released just last week!) -- not "one million innocent civilian deaths" like that kid in the second video would have you believe...

I'll comment more on this garbage later.

quite your propaganda palehorse. sanctions are a form of warfare. it would be nice if u faced reality and answer my questions on that other post. but u cant.....your a propagandist. it would mean actually thinking for yourself.

Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it.

--60 Minutes (5/12/96)

Then-Secretary of State Madeleine Albright's quote, calmly asserting that U.S. policy objectives were worth the sacrifice of half a million Arab children, has been much quoted in the Arabic press. It's also been cited in the United States in alternative commentary on the September 11 attacks (e.g., Alexander Cockburn, New York Press, 9/26/01).

It's worth noting that on 60 Minutes, Albright made no attempt to deny the figure given by Stahl--a rough rendering of the preliminary estimate in a 1995 U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) report that 567,000 Iraqi children under the age of five had died as a result of the sanctions. In general, the response from government officials about the sanctions? toll has been rather different: a barrage of equivocations, denigration of U.N. sources and implications that questioners have some ideological axe to grind (Extra!, 3-4/00).



 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
According to the latest studies conducted by WHO, the number of Iraqi civilian deaths totals around 150,000 (released just last week!) -- not "one million innocent civilian deaths" like that kid in the second video would have you believe...

I'll comment more on this garbage later.
Geeze, only 150k? What the fvck are they whining about then? The US lost 3000 lives in 911 and since AMerican lives are worth about 500X more than non-American lives, they should shut up until they've lost at least 1.5M.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: palehorse74
According to the latest studies conducted by WHO, the number of Iraqi civilian deaths totals around 150,000 (released just last week!) -- not "one million innocent civilian deaths" like that kid in the second video would have you believe...

I'll comment more on this garbage later.
Geeze, only 150k? What the fvck are they whining about then? The US lost 3000 lives in 911 and since AMerican lives are worth about 500X more than non-American lives, they should shut up until they've lost at least 1.5M.

We should just nuke them into a democracy of peace.
 

palehorse

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Dec 21, 2005
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Originally posted by: WHAMPOM
Originally posted by: palehorse74
According to the latest studies conducted by WHO, the number of Iraqi civilian deaths totals around 150,000 (released just last week!) -- not "one million innocent civilian deaths" like that kid in the second video would have you believe...

I'll comment more on this garbage later.

WHO never left the "GREEN ZONE" unlike the "other" study. They only counted the available figures reported to Bagdad officials.
actually, you're wrong. The latest WHO study, released just last week, is considered the most thorough and accurate study to date. They went well beyond the Green Zone this time, and it turns out the previous studies which indicated many more deaths were entirely fabricated.

imagine that!
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: event8horizon
Originally posted by: palehorse74
According to the latest studies conducted by WHO, the number of Iraqi civilian deaths totals around 150,000 (released just last week!) -- not "one million innocent civilian deaths" like that kid in the second video would have you believe...

I'll comment more on this garbage later.

quite your propaganda palehorse. sanctions are a form of warfare. it would be nice if u faced reality and answer my questions on that other post. but u cant.....your a propagandist. it would mean actually thinking for yourself.

Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it.

--60 Minutes (5/12/96)

Then-Secretary of State Madeleine Albright's quote, calmly asserting that U.S. policy objectives were worth the sacrifice of half a million Arab children, has been much quoted in the Arabic press. It's also been cited in the United States in alternative commentary on the September 11 attacks (e.g., Alexander Cockburn, New York Press, 9/26/01).

It's worth noting that on 60 Minutes, Albright made no attempt to deny the figure given by Stahl--a rough rendering of the preliminary estimate in a 1995 U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) report that 567,000 Iraqi children under the age of five had died as a result of the sanctions. In general, the response from government officials about the sanctions? toll has been rather different: a barrage of equivocations, denigration of U.N. sources and implications that questioners have some ideological axe to grind (Extra!, 3-4/00).
What the hell did my post, or this entire thread, have to do with the pre-war sanctions on Iraq?!
 

event8horizon

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: event8horizon
Originally posted by: palehorse74
According to the latest studies conducted by WHO, the number of Iraqi civilian deaths totals around 150,000 (released just last week!) -- not "one million innocent civilian deaths" like that kid in the second video would have you believe...

I'll comment more on this garbage later.

quite your propaganda palehorse. sanctions are a form of warfare. it would be nice if u faced reality and answer my questions on that other post. but u cant.....your a propagandist. it would mean actually thinking for yourself.

Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it.

--60 Minutes (5/12/96)

Then-Secretary of State Madeleine Albright's quote, calmly asserting that U.S. policy objectives were worth the sacrifice of half a million Arab children, has been much quoted in the Arabic press. It's also been cited in the United States in alternative commentary on the September 11 attacks (e.g., Alexander Cockburn, New York Press, 9/26/01).

It's worth noting that on 60 Minutes, Albright made no attempt to deny the figure given by Stahl--a rough rendering of the preliminary estimate in a 1995 U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) report that 567,000 Iraqi children under the age of five had died as a result of the sanctions. In general, the response from government officials about the sanctions? toll has been rather different: a barrage of equivocations, denigration of U.N. sources and implications that questioners have some ideological axe to grind (Extra!, 3-4/00).
What the hell did my post, or this entire thread, have to do with the pre-war sanctions on Iraq?!

right here soldier, i bold- According to the latest studies conducted by WHO, the number of Iraqi civilian deaths totals around 150,000 (released just last week!) -- not "one million innocent civilian deaths" like that kid in the second video would have you believe...

that kid has a good heart.......unlike some propagandists out here on the web. it sounds like he was talking about overall numbers. look at the big picture in iraq. sanctions kill as well.


 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: tikwanleap
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlgav80cpbg

The woman's testimony about the current state of Iraq is not easy to listen to, but must be heard. This is something that CNN or Fox news would not even get close to talking about.
"Current" state of Iraq?

That testimony was from 2006. And she's an anti-war activist.

I would suspect she is anti-war because its her country.
 
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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: tikwanleap
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlgav80cpbg

The woman's testimony about the current state of Iraq is not easy to listen to, but must be heard. This is something that CNN or Fox news would not even get close to talking about.
"Current" state of Iraq?

That testimony was from 2006. And she's an anti-war activist.

I would suspect she is anti-war because its her country.
No doubt there are other reasons unless you can demonstrate that all ex-pat Iraqis in the US are anti-war.

Edit: btw, you fail to address the most salient point here - that her testimony was from 2006 - so it's not reflective of conditions in Iraq today. You also fail to address the fact that the Ron Paul video is, in essence, misleading and/or intellectually dishonest to use in a debate about Iraq today since its content does not reflect the improvements in Iraq.

I'd bet if George Bush was arguing about how well the economy was doing, using figures from 2006 to back up his claim, you'd be laughing your ass off.
 
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