The unbearable smugness of the press

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MooseNSquirrel

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Your theory might hold water if it was just republicans who's trust in the media went down. It isn't. Many polls show media trust decreasing significantly among all groups, not just republicans. And again, that was before this election and all the leaks showing that a lot of distrust in the media was justified (Donna Brazille comes to mind). All that did is reinforce the position of those who have been saying for years the media are not to be trusted. Trust in the media is probably much worse now than ever.

2 things:

1. 50% vs 14%? Quite the difference
2. Confirmation bias with a few incidents does not a conspiracy make

People confuse the media reporting on uncomfortable facts about their candidate -- eg Trump on video being a misogynist and disrespecting women or talking about sex with his daughter -- with actual media bias.

The only good example one can bring up is that Fox is clearly biased, which is demonstrably true, but probably not what you meant by media bias.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Heh, the Dems still don't know why they got beat. This is so much like Obama/Romney it's funny. Of course the shoes are reversed.

The question is which idiots next time will shoot themselves in the foot more than the other in the next election.

American politics is infinitely entertaining yet tragic at the same time.
 
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Kazukian

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Heh, the Dems still don't know why they got beat. This is so much like Obama/Romney it's funny. Of course the shoes are reversed.

The question is which idiots next time will shoot themselves in the foot more than the other in the next election.

American politics is infinitely entertaining yet tragic at the same time.

I'll bet Hillary would win if she ran again
 

agent00f

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Heh, the Dems still don't know why they got beat. This is so much like Obama/Romney it's funny. Of course the shoes are reversed.

The question is which idiots next time will shoot themselves in the foot more than the other in the next election.

American politics is infinitely entertaining yet tragic at the same time.

If you compare/contrast what differentiates Trump with all his competitors, from the start with the birtherism, it's pretty easy to see what Romney/McCain wouldn't stoop to.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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If you compare/contrast what differentiates Trump with all his competitors, from the start with the birtherism, it's pretty easy to see what Romney/McCain wouldn't stoop to.


Romney wouldn't do what Trump did. The problem on the Democratic side is that Hillary failed to take into account the discontent of the majority, the sense of "shut up and be happy or I'll label you a racist" impression- remember her Romney moment.

The Onion had what I think was a fair assessment of the attitude Hillary projects. http://www.theonion.com/article/hillary-clinton-to-nation-do-not-fuck-this-up-for--38416

Now whether Dems agree with this or not, that's the message she gave to those middle class workers mentioned in the last sentence. She should have been more inclusive, appealing to Americans as citizens and not selected demographics. Yes everyone has problems which are real and varied, but it makes no one pleased to be called racists because they feel a candidate does not care for their situation.

It is a great failing of our political system.
 

Commodus

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Romney wouldn't do what Trump did. The problem on the Democratic side is that Hillary failed to take into account the discontent of the majority, the sense of "shut up and be happy or I'll label you a racist" impression- remember her Romney moment.

The Onion had what I think was a fair assessment of the attitude Hillary projects. http://www.theonion.com/article/hillary-clinton-to-nation-do-not-fuck-this-up-for--38416

Now whether Dems agree with this or not, that's the message she gave to those middle class workers mentioned in the last sentence. She should have been more inclusive, appealing to Americans as citizens and not selected demographics. Yes everyone has problems which are real and varied, but it makes no one pleased to be called racists because they feel a candidate does not care for their situation.

It is a great failing of our political system.

This nails it, I think. Clinton was an infinitely better candidate than Trump, but her attitude made her seem uncaring... and of course, the fact that she not only ran but was practically preordained (even if the Russians hadn't hacked the DNC, you could tell). Never mind that her policies really would have helped a much broader swath of the population, and would acknowledge truths like, say, science -- she didn't give that impression, and it cost her dearly.

And yeah, the "basket of deplorables" was this year's "47 percent" (although, unlike Romney, Clinton's statement had some basis in reality). Even if it's true that your rival courts racists, sexists and other thugs, you don't draw attention to those supporters... you draw attention to the candidate. You sympathize with people frustrated with how things are and show them why your approach is better.
 

zinfamous

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Romney wouldn't do what Trump did. The problem on the Democratic side is that Hillary failed to take into account the discontent of the majority, the sense of "shut up and be happy or I'll label you a racist" impression- remember her Romney moment.

The Onion had what I think was a fair assessment of the attitude Hillary projects. http://www.theonion.com/article/hillary-clinton-to-nation-do-not-fuck-this-up-for--38416

Now whether Dems agree with this or not, that's the message she gave to those middle class workers mentioned in the last sentence. She should have been more inclusive, appealing to Americans as citizens and not selected demographics. Yes everyone has problems which are real and varied, but it makes no one pleased to be called racists because they feel a candidate does not care for their situation.

It is a great failing of our political system.

Agreed. I think it is true that Trump definitely pulled a ton of racists out of the woodwork and spoke to their..."concerns" but their influence was largely irrelevant in the EC when you address the fact that Hillary lost by losing her "guaranteed" supporters. That is damn pathetic. I can accept that some part of that was simply that Hillary was inarguably an unpopular candidate, but she simply ignored their real concerns, assumed their unmitigated support and, although not intentional with what she actually said in the statement, the "basket of deplorables" was definitely a label that they felt was aimed at them, and I can see why they would think this. This is what tons of dems and the media were saying about them, again and again, when they refused to understand why in the hell they would support this clown. I count myself among that group of idiots.

Dems that have still spent the last week explaining this away from any other means than by accepting their own hubris and naivete as the root cause of their failure really need to get their shit together and start working on a real strategy: Yes, plenty of racists supported Trump, but you can't explain away Trump's support from former Obama and Bill Clinton democratic voters as "racists." It's petty, ignorant, and flat out stupid.
Keep it up, dems, and watch your asses get handed to you again in 2016 and 2020. Trump's support was low as hell and the fascist turnip still won. No data point supports a wave of white racism that was the deciding factor. Even if white racist anger was up compared to last several elections, it wouldn't have been enough if Hillary and the rest of the dems didn't shit all over their actual base.
 

buckshot24

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He talked about dating his daughter. Do you think he's the sort of person who is saving himself for marriage or something? lol.
Where is the talk of sex!? He's not literally saying he would date her. You're a sicko if that is what you get out of it. Get help
 

fskimospy

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Where is the talk of sex!? He's not literally saying he would date her. You're a sicko if that is what you get out of it. Get help

He said if she weren't his daughter maybe he would be dating her. Do you understand what people do when they are dating someone? Do we need to sit down and have a talk about the birds and the bees?

One of us is a sicko alright, but I'm going to go with the guy sexualizing his daughter, lol.
 

buckshot24

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He said if she weren't his daughter maybe he would be dating her. Do you understand what people do when they are dating someone? Do we need to sit down and have a talk about the birds and the bees?

One of us is a sicko alright, but I'm going to go with the guy sexualizing his daughter, lol.
He didn't talk about having sex with his daughter. You've gone completely insane. I hope things get better for you.

The comment saying he talked about having sex with his daughter is a complete lie.
 

fskimospy

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He didn't talk about having sex with his daughter. You've gone completely insane. I hope things get better for you.

The comment saying he talked about having sex with his daughter is a complete lie.

Someone needs to sit down and explain dating to you as you seem very confused.

If someone thinks that dating doesn't involve sex for someone like Trump I don't know what to say as you're either one of the stupidest people I've ever met or you are engaging in highly motivated reasoning. Either way, I can't help.
 

buckshot24

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Someone needs to sit down and explain dating to you as you seem very confused.

If someone thinks that dating doesn't involve sex for someone like Trump I don't know what to say as you're either one of the stupidest people I've ever met or you are engaging in highly motivated reasoning. Either way, I can't help.
So Trump wasn't talking about having sex with his daughter, case closed. You have to make assumptions and draw conclusions on whether he was being literal or just an offhanded way to give her a compliment.

And what does a meat machine care about people's sex life anyway? It's none of your business.
 

fskimospy

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So Trump wasn't talking about having sex with his daughter, case closed. You have to make assumptions and draw conclusions on whether he was being literal or just an offhanded way to give her a compliment.

No, talking about dating someone is talking about having sex with them. This is not complicated.

And what does a meat machine care about people's sex life anyway? It's none of your business.

Thanks for reminding me of something funny I saw the other day!

 
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