Rant The unfortunately necessary RFK Jr. thread

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fskimospy

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He's got a lot in common with Trump, and it's pretty obvious as everyone's been saying that this was the end goal to begin with. I suppose he might have been deluded enough to think he could win with Biden in the race, but I think he's always been paid to be a Democrat killer.

Giving complete lip service to things you supposedly believe in. RFJ jr is supposed to be an environmentalist, huh? He must really care, because he's endorsing the dude running the one party that will absolutely gut the environment in the name of capitalism. They won't even say the phrase "climate change" because that might turn it from fake to real I guess.

His campaign blaming others for their incompetence and lack of appeal. Sound familiar?

Most of all he's just weird.
If you look at who was funding his campaign it was a bunch of Trump donors.

Apparently they were dumb enough to think that an anti-vax conspiracy theorist would appeal to democrats because his last name was Kennedy. Then they discovered, to their horror, that conspiracy nuts are Trump voters so they’re having him pack it in.
 

Fenixgoon

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If you look at who was funding his campaign it was a bunch of Trump donors.

Apparently they were dumb enough to think that an anti-vax conspiracy theorist would appeal to democrats because his last name was Kennedy. Then they discovered, to their horror, that conspiracy nuts are Trump voters so they’re having him pack it in.
If only he'd stay in the race...can't believe I'm saying that lol.
 

dullard

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The very few people I know who are into RFK are into him specifically because he's not Trump or Biden (the change to Harris being irrelevant to them at this point). If RFK drops out they're not likely to vote for Trump, who they despise, they're likely to not vote. The only question is whether they leave President blank or if they just stay home altogether.
I agree with your assessment. Trump stays at 43% to 44% in the polls regardless of who is he running against. Trumps favorability is usually 43% to 44%. When Biden dropped out, the polls that included votes for 3rd party candidates and "other" had significant drops in those categories, Harris picked up those drops, but Trump stayed put at 43% to 44%. Here is my long-winded post on it:
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...ace-2024-polls-news-etc.2620898/post-41281479

The only non-D, non-R category that went up when Biden left was "I would not vote". I suspect the same will happen if RFK drops out. They will go to other 3rd parties or stay home. I just don't see a strong pull for them towards Trump. Because if they already liked Trump, they would poll as supporting Trump. (The risk I take with that statement is assuming that RFK->Trump supporters are telling the polls the truth).
 

trenchfoot

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fskimospy

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Could it be that the Kennedy camp is spreading that rumor as a means to leverage their way into either the Harris or Trump administrations? He still does have votes that both sides would love to add to their ranks.
From what I've read he asked Harris for some sort of cabinet position in exchange for his endorsement and she told him to fuck off.
 

Stokely

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Hey if Harris can put "Mr Environmentalism" to work on important projects such as how to design a better dog turd bag, or self cleaning litter box that doesn't break or cost a fortuate, I guess I'd be ok with it.

Director of the Department of Household Pet Waste (DHPW)
 
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fskimospy

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Isn't that some sort of direct legal violation?

Ask for something in exchange for something?
I don't think so, no, that's just normal politics. Those sort of arrangements, particularly within primaries, are pretty common.

You can't give someone an office in exchange for money (although SCOTUS seems to think that's fine too) but you can give them an office in exchange for their support.
 

trenchfoot

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Kennedy is a lot like Trump in the sense that both are totally self-interested in their quest for power and influence. Giving a guy like that some responsibility is like handing a four year old a cocked and unlocked S&W 44 at a big family gathering. What could go wrong?
 

VRAMdemon

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Or perhaps it's just this. He went to Harris and asked for an ambassadorship. She blew him off because she only wanted serious people in her administration.

Then he went to Trump and asked for the same thing, and fortunately for him, Trump is transactional too.

Because he's a self-interested sleazebag who doesn't believe in anything, just like the guy he's about to endorse.

He's taking a dump on his family name and legacy.

If RFK Jr thinks that Trump is going to reward him for kissing the ring, then his brain worm died of starvation.

Making RFK jr the head of HHS would be totally on brand for Trump. I could see Trump doing it to troll the libs though. I don’t think that RFK jr would make it past senate approval for HHS secretary. Even if the Republicans control the senate. There have to be at least a handful of Republican senators from purple states (I hope?) who believe in science and realize what and absolute disaster RFK jr. would be in that role.
In 2017, RFK said he’d accepted an offer from Trump to head a commission on vaccine safety. But if Trump ever made such a proposal, he must have backed away from it.


Considering it’s a “I’ll gladly pay you Tuesday for an endorsement today” situation, made to a person who will have all the leverage and has a history of casting aside people who no longer provide any benefit to him no matter what past services they may have rendered, it’s a bit shocking they’d think he’d actually follow through with any promises. I wonder how RFK Jr and Shanahan think they can manage some kind of binding guarantee. There is no non-stupid, cogent line of reasoning that can lead to any sort of trust with Trump without some major leverage.

Before the vax stuff RFKs main focus was environmental issues. If RFK is serious about his endorsement of Trump, essentially, it's proof that he never gave two fucks about the environment. It was all a grift. Trump and his Project 2025 buddies plan to remove each and every in-place protection for the environment.
 
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sactoking

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Funny to me: here in swing state NV there has been a battle over RFK on the ballot. He successfully made it on but the Dems are suing to get him kicked off. Well, under state law you have seven business days after the filing deadline to withdraw, so he would have had to withdrawn (in person, no less) by August 20. So now if he withdraws from the race as many expect he will, he can't get off the ballot in a swing state unless the Dems' lawsuit succeed. So they'll probably drop the suit to force him to stay on the ballot here.
 

woolfe9998

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If RFK Jr thinks that Trump is going to reward him for kissing the ring, then his brain worm died of starvation.

Making RFK jr the head of HHS would be totally on brand for Trump. I could see Trump doing it to troll the libs though. I don’t think that RFK jr would make it past senate approval for HHS secretary. Even if the Republicans control the senate. There have to be at least a handful of Republican senators from purple states (I hope?) who believe in science and realize what and absolute disaster RFK jr. would be in that role.
In 2017, RFK said he’d accepted an offer from Trump to head a commission on vaccine safety. But if Trump ever made such a proposal, he must have backed away from it.


Considering it’s a “I’ll gladly pay you Tuesday for an endorsement today” situation, made to a person who will have all the leverage and has a history of casting aside people who no longer provide any benefit to him no matter what past services they may have rendered, it’s a bit shocking they’d think he’d actually follow through with any promises. I wonder how RFK Jr and Shanahan think they can manage some kind of binding guarantee. There is no non-stupid, cogent line of reasoning that can lead to any sort of trust with Trump without some major leverage.

Before the vax stuff RFKs main focus was environmental issues. If RFK is serious about his endorsement of Trump, essentially, it's proof that he never gave two fucks about the environment. It was all a grift. Trump and his Project 2025 buddies plan to remove each and every in-place protection for the environment.

Rumor is that he had approached Harris regarding an ambassadorship. So I assume that is what Trump is promising him. If this is about him hating democrats and doing this for spite, why did he ask Harris for a job?

What I suspect is that RFK Jr has probably always believed that high political office was a birthright, but when he entered the race he got nowhere, and now he wants to get whatever power he can and use it as a springboard for a future campaign.
 

repoman0

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RFK Jr just wants to upgrade from his usual meal of roadkill bear cubs to endangered creatures freshly hunted by Donald Trump’s dimwit sons.
 

Amused

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First this:
Kennedy says in court filing he is endorsing Trump

Independent presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. plans to endorse former president Donald Trump, according to a new court filing.

The Friday filing in Pennsylvania said that Kennedy was dropping his opposition to efforts to keep him off the ballot there “as a result of today’s endorsement of Donald Trump for the office of President of the United States.”

Then This:

The campaign of independent presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is distancing itself from a court filing Friday that suggested that he will endorse former president Donald Trump.
“Mr. Kennedy has not endorsed President Trump,” Kennedy campaign spokesperson Stefanie Spear said in a statement. “The filing was made by an attorney and not reviewed by the campaign. The filing is being updated.”
The statement came as Kennedy was speaking about the future of his campaign in Phoenix.
 

Indus

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Glad to see he decided to jump on the Trump train of trying to undermine the country's faith in our electoral system.

I always thought RFK supporters were Trump supporters deep down but I'm thrilled this is happening now vs October.

I really don't see Trump getting more than 46.5% but Kam has serious work to do in the swing states.

Hopefully she can get it across the line and it's obvious she's trying a do no harm, don't come across as a radical figure strategy where her positions are really mainstream.. and it'd be foolish to attack them at risk of looking even more weird!
 
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dullard

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Guess the brain worms realized they couldn't win a general election but maybe they can be more nourished in an orange body.
He wins in head-to-head matchups. That means, if Democrats cannot vote for a democrat, he beats Trump. And if Republicans cannot vote for a Republican, he beats Harris. That is a fantasy land--where nearly half of the population is prevented from voting for their preferred candidate.

I'm sorry to RFK that letting people vote for their preferred candidate isn't fair, open, or honest in his opinion.
 
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