Bernie bro's had a real grudge because the primary was rigged.
This RFK Jr. is basically oh look at me.. I'm a Kennedy.
Regarding traction.. I don't think so. It's traction with those who say they're dem and are leaving the dem party.
Didn't we have tons of those ads around 2018 or so?? Basically fake news.
This is fucking nonsense. Everyone that wanted Bernie to win is not a "Bernie Bro", and we're not bad people for wanting better for America than Hillary or Trump, and we're not "wrong" for thinking the better candidate would have won against the shitstain that was Trump, and it doesn't mean we fell for propaganda. Fuck this bullshit.Even single time you BernieBros repeat your nonsense you are regurgitating propaganda created by the GOP to get Trump elected. All of this "Bernie would have won" stuff was created by the GOP. All of it.
The Democratic voters picked Hillary. Period.
Not even remotely. Bernie would have been blown out worse than McGovern in 72. Worse than that, his nomination by the DNC would have fed the GOP rhetoric that the Dems are all radical left-wing socialists.
Even single time you BernieBros repeat your nonsense you are regurgitating propaganda created by the GOP to get Trump elected. All of this "Bernie would have won" stuff was created by the GOP. All of it.
you take it wrong. My first presidential vote was for Jimmy Carter.I take it you were not of age to vote when Dukakis ran. Bernie against anyone (even His Donaldship) would have been worse. I like what Bernie says, but the fact of the matter is Bernie is all talk and has been an almost totally ineffective legislator.
You conveniently ignore the facts that (1) Clinton won the popular vote by millions and (2) Trump became President because of the Electoral College, and even then only by about 50k votes spread among three states.
Exactly. He has no real liberal constituency, it’s all conservatives trying to wish it into existence.RFK Jr thread that derails into a Bernie thread.
Tells you everything you need to know.
As I mentioned in post #11, Puffnstuff seems in favor of him and he appears to consider himself a Democrat (but he also hates "wokeness" for what that's worth...)Exactly. He has no real liberal constituency, it’s all conservatives trying to wish it into existence.
Indeed. I dont see Bernie bucking under Trumps bully tactics. He would laugh in his face and disintegrate him with wits.This is fucking nonsense. Everyone that wanted Bernie to win is not a "Bernie Bro", and we're not bad people for wanting better for America than Hillary or Trump, and we're not "wrong" for thinking the better candidate would have won against the shitstain that was Trump, and it doesn't mean we fell for propaganda. Fuck this bullshit.
Translation: Fox News had been campaigning lies on her for long enough to make actual shit stick to the wall.you take it wrong. My first presidential vote was for Jimmy Carter.
Hillary has great experience and is well qualified, but was toting enough baggage to torpedo any campaign.
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As far as the Bernie Bros bullshit, every single one of the people I knew pivoted to support Hillary.
The Democratic voters picked Hillary. Period.
Not even remotely. Bernie would have been blown out worse than McGovern in 72. Worse than that, his nomination by the DNC would have fed the GOP rhetoric that the Dems are all radical left-wing socialists.
Even single time you BernieBros repeat your nonsense you are regurgitating propaganda created by the GOP to get Trump elected. All of this "Bernie would have won" stuff was created by the GOP. All of it.
This is fucking nonsense. Everyone that wanted Bernie to win is not a "Bernie Bro", and we're not bad people for wanting better for America than Hillary or Trump, and we're not "wrong" for thinking the better candidate would have won against the shitstain that was Trump, and it doesn't mean we fell for propaganda. Fuck this bullshit.
Blah blah blah, go fuck yourself, idiot.No its not. Yes, not all Bernie supporters are Bernie Bros. But acting like you aren't very aware of what we're talking about with that term shows you either are completely ignorant of the situation or you are a Bernie Bro yourself. In which case, most of you turned around and either didn't vote in the general, or voted for Turmp when that was very very clearly the absolute worst decisions you could have made. That actively made things worse and sorry if you think you get a free pass for enabling that shit.
The fact that you are still trying to claim that somehow the Democratic Party supporting a candidate with proven decades track record of being Democrat over one that openly touts that he's not even a Democrat (but apparently if Dems don't support him then his zealots will vote against what they supposedly support, and spite themselves and everyone else in the process), as "rigging" then I don't even know what the fuck to say to you. You are just too goddamn stupid and similar to conspiracy shit-brained conservatives to even discuss it with as you can't even accept the basic facts of reality. Further, that you can't accept that Dem voters simply showed you (and then again in 2020) that they prefer others over Bernie, but you instead want to act like Bernie would've had all this mass support, you're just straight up delusional.
You 100% did fall for propaganda. Bernie would not have beaten Turmp in 2016, as Bernie had less liberal support and would have absolutely not had more conservative support (people fearmongered against all things Socialism) would have had much more ammo in Bernie than they did with Hilary. Hell, I can basically guarantee that the Bernie Bros that voted for Turmp would've still voted for Turmp even against Bernie, because they weren't actually Bernie supporters. They weren't liberal at all. They were just raging full of shit assholes looking to actively fuck up things as much as they could and Turmp was their guy the entire time. They just saw an opportunity to exploit people like you. Sorry that your support for Bernie blinded you to this reality.
What's even more asinine is that, I think it would be easier to get support for Bernie's policies if it wasn't for you fanatical Bernie supporters. I can support Bernie's policies, but supporting him as a politician I find much more difficult, both because he actively targeted the same people that are Turmp zealots (and we've seen why that's troubling) by spouting very similar rhetoric (even if at times he can make more valid claims), and because of the morally better (than Turmpers) but still alarming people like you. I'm not even talking about the Bernie supporters who claimed to not support Turmp but did openly call for just ruining things as much as possible (which makes me doubt that they didn't vote for Turmp) after Bernie lost the primary. There were at least a few on here that were that way. If you want to pretend like those people didn't exist, that's on you. But they were here, very vocal, and there is no defense for their bullshit. If you want to lump in with them, that's on you.
It sucks that there still isn't enough support for many of Bernie's policies. That is changing some, but that's through showing with objective evidence and vetting policies (i.e. showing how nationalized health care would save us money, both out of pocket and in taxes for instance), not through fanatical support for Bernie himself.
It's a shame only the bad Kennedys make it to late adulthood.
The only thing, IMO, worth saying about RFK, Jr. is that his eyes are creepy AF.
Look, Fox et al have been running the same playbook since blowjob Bill painted a target on himself. It's the Clinton playbook. The stupid fuck could not just do the job and keep his junk in his pants. He was riding the crest of the DotCom boom, the deficit was gone.Translation: Fox News had been campaigning lies on her for long enough to make actual shit stick to the wall.
"Most of you" is utter crap. 12% voted for Trump, and 12% did not vote.No its not. Yes, not all Bernie supporters are Bernie Bros. But acting like you aren't very aware of what we're talking about with that term shows you either are completely ignorant of the situation or you are a Bernie Bro yourself. In which case, most of you turned around and either didn't vote in the general, or voted for Turmp when that was very very clearly the absolute worst decisions you could have made. That actively made things worse and sorry if you think you get a free pass for enabling that shit.
The fact that you are still trying to claim that somehow the Democratic Party supporting a candidate with proven decades track record of being Democrat over one that openly touts that he's not even a Democrat (but apparently if Dems don't support him then his zealots will vote against what they supposedly support, and spite themselves and everyone else in the process), as "rigging" then I don't even know what the fuck to say to you. You are just too goddamn stupid and similar to conspiracy shit-brained conservatives to even discuss it with as you can't even accept the basic facts of reality. Further, that you can't accept that Dem voters simply showed you (and then again in 2020) that they prefer others over Bernie, but you instead want to act like Bernie would've had all this mass support, you're just straight up delusional.
You 100% did fall for propaganda. Bernie would not have beaten Turmp in 2016, as Bernie had less liberal support and would have absolutely not had more conservative support (people fearmongered against all things Socialism) would have had much more ammo in Bernie than they did with Hilary. Hell, I can basically guarantee that the Bernie Bros that voted for Turmp would've still voted for Turmp even against Bernie, because they weren't actually Bernie supporters. They weren't liberal at all. They were just raging full of shit assholes looking to actively fuck up things as much as they could and Turmp was their guy the entire time. They just saw an opportunity to exploit people like you. Sorry that your support for Bernie blinded you to this reality.
What's even more asinine is that, I think it would be easier to get support for Bernie's policies if it wasn't for you fanatical Bernie supporters. I can support Bernie's policies, but supporting him as a politician I find much more difficult, both because he actively targeted the same people that are Turmp zealots (and we've seen why that's troubling) by spouting very similar rhetoric (even if at times he can make more valid claims), and because of the morally better (than Turmpers) but still alarming people like you. I'm not even talking about the Bernie supporters who claimed to not support Turmp but did openly call for just ruining things as much as possible (which makes me doubt that they didn't vote for Turmp) after Bernie lost the primary. There were at least a few on here that were that way. If you want to pretend like those people didn't exist, that's on you. But they were here, very vocal, and there is no defense for their bullshit. If you want to lump in with them, that's on you.
It sucks that there still isn't enough support for many of Bernie's policies. That is changing some, but that's through showing with objective evidence and vetting policies (i.e. showing how nationalized health care would save us money, both out of pocket and in taxes for instance), not through fanatical support for Bernie himself.
How much of a better America did you end up getting for being mad that Hillary won the nomination?This is fucking nonsense. Everyone that wanted Bernie to win is not a "Bernie Bro", and we're not bad people for wanting better for America than Hillary or Trump, and we're not "wrong" for thinking the better candidate would have won against the shitstain that was Trump, and it doesn't mean we fell for propaganda. Fuck this bullshit.
Just can't wait to live in a theocratic fascist regime because idealistic progressives can't understand compromise.Well it's happening again.
They can enjoy their 8-1 supreme court disadvantage in the years to come.
admittedly, the time to push for anything progressive actually is during the primary. that's how you get the party ideology as a whole to shift over time. but once it comes to the actual election, everyone better be in lock-step with Biden.Just can't wait to live in a theocratic fascist regime because idealistic progressives can't understand compromise.
I don't disagree but we tried that in 2016 and the GOP exploited it with disastrous results.admittedly, the time to push for anything progressive actually is during the primary. that's how you get the party ideology as a whole to shift over time. but once it comes to the actual election, everyone better be in lock-step with Biden.
And she won the popular vote and was only a few thousand short of winning the electoral vote.No, the first woman was the clear shoe-in there