Rant The unfortunately necessary RFK Jr. thread

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Lifer
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By running as Independent and siphoning moderate Democrat votes from Biden.

I disagree with the word "moderate", there. Biden is hardly an 'extremist'. Seems more like the other way round, he'll siphon the slightly-crazy Democrat votes from Biden (sadly there might well be enough of them to make a critical difference).
 
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cytg111

Lifer
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Or he is gonna be like F Ukraine


and double down on Immigration and Inflation


Then he is gonna take an Alzheimer's and an IQ test and blast Biden.

You're telling me he cant siphon 2% from Biden?

RFK has been all over social media these last couple months, that's including all the big podcasts that on the regular wouldnt even support his platform - but everyone likes click-money.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
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Or he is gonna be like F Ukraine


and double down on Immigration and Inflation


Then he is gonna take an Alzheimer's and an IQ test and blast Biden.

You're telling me he cant siphon 2% from Biden?

RFK has been all over social media these last couple months, that's including all the big podcasts that on the regular wouldnt even support his platform - but everyone likes click-money.
Sounds like he's more likely to spoil anti-Biden 'soft Republicans' (that would vote for any Republican over Biden) than actual Democrats or actual independents.
 

GodisanAtheist

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My turbo conservative father in law proclaimed that "I might vote Democrat for the first time in years" because of RFK Jr.

He said this to me of course because he thinks I'm a Democrat because I don't complain about everything continuously all the time forever.

Do I think he actually will when the chips are down? No.

But the fact that he even said it perked my ears up. Very possible there is a strong contingent if never Dems out there that are finally strung out on Trump looking someone else just as nuts but without the baggage.
 

Perknose

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You all underestimating the moves this guy is making.

Point in case.
Omg, I really didn't need to know that Cheryl Hines, a low talent show biz hanger on made famous by landing the Larry David gig, is/was married to RFK. THIS is what passes for "important people" in our society today? I want to puke. I tried to watch that vid, but just couldn't get far. The whole idea of "influencers" or whomever that host and his female sidekick are also makes me want to puke.

Mediocrity buffed up to a gleamingly ignorant shine. Fuck the whole lot of 'em.
 

cytg111

Lifer
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Omg, I really didn't need to know that Cheryl Hines, a low talent show biz hanger on made famous by landing the Larry David gig, is/was married to RFK. THIS is what passes for "important people" in our society today? I want to puke. I tried to watch that vid, but just couldn't get far. The whole idea of "influencers" or whomever that host and his female sidekick are also makes me want to puke.

Mediocrity buffed up to a gleamingly ignorant shine. Fuck the whole lot of 'em.
Yup. I watch TigerBelly cause Bobby Lee is fcking hilarious. I had boycotted that particular video until today though.

And remember the old saying, someone's puke may be another dudes jam.

If you think these podcasters dont have reach you'd be mistaken.
 

cytg111

Lifer
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My turbo conservative father in law proclaimed that "I might vote Democrat for the first time in years" because of RFK Jr.

He said this to me of course because he thinks I'm a Democrat because I don't complain about everything continuously all the time forever.

Do I think he actually will when the chips are down? No.

But the fact that he even said it perked my ears up. Very possible there is a strong contingent if never Dems out there that are finally strung out on Trump looking someone else just as nuts but without the baggage.
Damn I hope this is correct.
 

fskimospy

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Yeah I’m not at all sure that the anti-vax conspiratorial loony is more likely to take votes from Biden than Trump.
 

VRAMdemon

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If he runs Indy .... I am thinking that Kennedy will be getting significant donations from Republican sources. Because obtaining enough signatures for swing state ballot access is hard.

It will be interesting to see which states the RFK campaign works the hardest for ballot access. If he’s working all 50 he’s an actual candidate. If he’s working only the marginal swing states, he’s an R stooge where the R’s have a plan to try to use him to apply just enough battle damage to Biden to make Trump the winner in those states, and the EC as a whole.

As to whether this candidacy will help Republicans, I’m on the fence. The “use Kanye West to strip off the Black American vote” strategy, that went absolutely nowhere - with any luck, this will be just as “successful”. If he’s running as an independent, it seems like a waste of money to donate to a stunt candidate. May as well spend on your preferred GOP candidate. It’s one thing if you think he can make it into the Dem primary and debates. It’s another if he’s just trying to get on state ballots. At least RFK Jr has the stellar guidance of Kucinich hot off the successes of his own presidential campaigns ... lol.
 

cytg111

Lifer
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Imagine thinking that "moderate" Ds will swing from Biden to this fucking nutjob.
Yea that is crazy talk. Independents though… you know those guys that’s actually going to show up and decide the election by voting for Biden cause of that one attribute: He is not Trump. Guess who else dont have that attribute.
 
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This was basically inevitable. Its predominantly right wingers that believe this nutjob's bullshit these days. All of his push has come from right wingers (Musk, Rogan, GOP donors, etc). There's still some liberals, but he was never going to get anywhere with modern Democrats and I think that finally became apparent to him. I think they legit thought they could split Dems over this guy but its all conspiracy nutters on the right buying his more recent shit (which has, unsurprisingly pivoted to right wing conspiracy nuttery), which is why he's floundering by having all the alt-right parasites glomb onto him.

I think its more likely he splits Republican voters by getting some of them to vote for him (unless he either drops out to make sure they vote for Turmp, which is possible). Even if Turmp goes to prison and barred from office, so DeSanties basically wins by default, I could see Turmp throw support behind RFK Jr, either out of spite or anger that Republicans didn't save him, which will just split the Turmp base off from Republicans. That would likely be the best outcome for Democrats.

Looks like Junior is going to shove a torpedo right up Biden's ass.

How so? I might be mistaken but I think even amongst the friends of his wife (C-list celeb) I don't see them supporting him that much politically even if they might push some of his nonsense. Because its clear the dude is off his rocker in a lot of ways that aren't palatable for them (he's basically starting to push anti-Jewish rehtoric that the right is because the right is pushing him) and that's getting worse by the day, and this dude is too old to realize what's going on. Maybe he will at some point, but I doubt it. He's getting all the fame he desperately needed (which in his mind is finally validating the decades of nuttery he's built his life around, so to him he thinks it finally worked and his ideals are hitting critical mass because of the right wing echo chamber).

He's straight up targeting Turmp's demographic. That's not going to scare off any Biden voters unless its bullshit ones that were not going to vote for Biden anyway unless they were "anyone but Turmp" ones but since this guy targets the same base as Turmp I don't know that even makes sense. I guess maybe if they're of the might decide to either not vote if Turmp isn't involved, or vote out of spite like they did in 2016 for Turmp. But for someone else thinking their vote doesn't matter anyway or they think it does and just want to cause chaos which is what a lot of "undecided" asswipes that just started voting relatively recently did (they voted for Obama, got pissed that he didn't magically fix everything because they're idiots that don't understand how governance works, and so just decided to say fuck it and try to fuck things up, also too stupid to realize there's ramifications for how you vote if you act like a petulant child), but RFK will struggle with the Meidas Touch and other "moderate" Republican voters.

I expect he'll bend over for Turmp once its shown he can't win the Turmp base away from Turmp. They'll go hard to try to win Dem voters but its very apparent what's up. Most Democrats know these 3rd parties are all funded by the crazier right wingers, and this guy has been spouting crazier and crazier stuff. And I guarantee he'll have a major faux pas at some point, and he doesn't have Turmp's psychopathy which gives him the ability to just spew so much diarrhetoric that it gets lost in the deluge.

The interesting thing will be if Turmp ends up in prison (and they enact the articles banning him from running for office) if he'll push people to this guy and what that will mean for Republican voters. Will the relatively sane ones vote Republican, will they vote Democrat just to keep this guy as Turmp surrogate from office? Guarantee whomever Turmp endorses carries quid pro quo agreement to attempt to get him out.

If he runs Indy .... I am thinking that Kennedy will be getting significant donations from Republican sources. Because obtaining enough signatures for swing state ballot access is hard.

It will be interesting to see which states the RFK campaign works the hardest for ballot access. If he’s working all 50 he’s an actual candidate. If he’s working only the marginal swing states, he’s an R stooge where the R’s have a plan to try to use him to apply just enough battle damage to Biden to make Trump the winner in those states, and the EC as a whole.

As to whether this candidacy will help Republicans, I’m on the fence. The “use Kanye West to strip off the Black American vote” strategy, that went absolutely nowhere - with any luck, this will be just as “successful”. If he’s running as an independent, it seems like a waste of money to donate to a stunt candidate. May as well spend on your preferred GOP candidate. It’s one thing if you think he can make it into the Dem primary and debates. It’s another if he’s just trying to get on state ballots. At least RFK Jr has the stellar guidance of Kucinich hot off the successes of his own presidential campaigns ... lol.

That's almost entirely where his campaign finance is coming from already. Him going from some bumbling fringe crackpot on the left to right wing media darling is entirely because right wing machine, which has in turn pushed him to the right in the stuff he says.

There is no Dem primary or debate so I don't even know what you're thinking there. There's some pushing for Dems to do primary/debate but that honestly seems to be the Bernie supporters that are still convinced Bernie somehow is the best foil against Turmp. Well actually that shit started with the right wingers trying to push RFK Jr to harm Democrats/Biden, but that failed (as it obviously was going to because Dem party was never going to challenge their incumbent and certainly not for a crackpot that spews right wing nuttery). Some others (sour grape Bernie Bros, the further left liberals, centrists, undecided voters desperately trying to be given a reason to keep their broken brains from voting for Turmp again) have tried making the case for various reasons, but outside of a situation like Sinema, where your incumbent basically is no longer actually part of your party, you don't primary and challenge. That literally plays right into the hands of Republicans.

The challenge for Democrats is deciding if they forego their ideals (women and minorities) and replace Harris to appease people worried about Biden's age/health, which means it'll almost certainly have to be a white dude.
 
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