The UNITED States of America?

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Poontos

Originally posted by: Wallydraigle
Most of us stand for a lot of the same things, we just have differing ideas about how to get there. This kind of freedom of thought is the founding principle on which our country was built. So, yeah, I'd say we're still the United States of America.

I understand. I just see a lot of division. If we were called The United Provinces of Canada, and we had the same election results, I would have a few concerns about our country's united-ness.

We are united in the fact that we agree to disagree peacefully. This election does nothing but exemplify the things that are great about America.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Poontos
Do you have any hesitation today saying The UNITED States of America?

Is North America filled with two countries (U.S. & Canada, specifically) too large to support non-divided nations?

Canada, where I was born and live today, weathered an election this past June, where one can draw similarities with the sense of being divided. Although, our numbers were 36% and 29% between the two most popular parties.

Do you consider The United States of America a divided country? Since your election has concluded, you can't help but notice the diagram of the "Red" and "Blue" states representing Bush and Kerry state victories.

Would you feel comfortable with being the Command and Chief of your country if you only had support from half of the country?

Any idea where can I find stats on the level of education per capita in the states that voted for Bush versus Kerry?

Kind of a moot point now isn't it? It would have been the same if Kerry won.

Still, I think Bush needs to do something to help the people he has alienated over the past 4 years.

 

[Poontos]

Originally posted by: rh71
I voted for Kerry but since the other guy won, I'll support him so long as he is our "leader". We are still one country and should act as such. The elections are OVER.

So if you vote for the other guy who never wins (but should have, IMO) the rest of your life and your country becomes a enemy to much of the world and accumulates a huge deficit, you will still support him?

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: Poontos

Do you consider The United States of America a divided country? Since your election has concluded, you can't help but notice the diagram of the "Red" and "Blue" states representing Bush and Kerry state victories.

California was a blue state that had 44% support for Bush. Some of the Red states were 51% to 49%. You can't look at the electoral college map and look at the divisions in that respect. OUr nation is divided
somewhat but I do not think there will be a civil war anytime soon. Unless you are a coffee house communist spouting out revolution.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: Poontos

Originally posted by: rh71
I voted for Kerry but since the other guy won, I'll support him so long as he is our "leader". We are still one country and should act as such. The elections are OVER.

So if you vote for the other guy who never wins (but should have, IMO) the rest of your life and your country becomes a enemy to much of the world and accumulates a huge deficit, you will still support him?

I have been part of many teams in my life and not all of them were successful or run the way I liked... but you have no chance of success if half your team is 2nd-guessing everything you do. I will have and have had my reservations but voicing them as a peon is not helpful and pointless. Again, the elections are over.

What does one do if they are not in support of their leader ?

 

[Poontos]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Poontos
Do you have any hesitation today saying The UNITED States of America?

Is North America filled with two countries (U.S. & Canada, specifically) too large to support non-divided nations?

Canada, where I was born and live today, weathered an election this past June, where one can draw similarities with the sense of being divided. Although, our numbers were 36% and 29% between the two most popular parties.

Do you consider The United States of America a divided country? Since your election has concluded, you can't help but notice the diagram of the "Red" and "Blue" states representing Bush and Kerry state victories.

Would you feel comfortable with being the Command and Chief of your country if you only had support from half of the country?

Any idea where can I find stats on the level of education per capita in the states that voted for Bush versus Kerry?

Kind of a moot point now isn't it? It would have been the same if Kerry won.

Still, I think Bush needs to do something to help the people he has alienated over the past 4 years.

No, not IMO. Kerry would have won for the right reasons (people looking for a change; decrease deficit; help the poor, not the rich; no insider deals, like Cheney). I believe Bush won for the following reasons:

-"We are republicans, so we kind of have to support him"
-"We place a high value on religion, so Bush is our man"
-"Um, I like the way he talks, it reminds me of me"
-"He likes our military (even though he is mis-leading them), he has balls, and I like guns"
etc...

 

[lizardboy]

Originally posted by: Aimster
The United South Midwest of Jesus

love it - couldn't be more true.

The evangellicals would vote for Hitler as long as he was against abortion and gay marriage.

What Would Jesus Bomb?

 

[Babbles]

I think we are rather united. As others said most counties in each state went Red, not Blue. Also Bush did get a majority (51+%) of the vote, so if the majority of a country backs one person is that not by definition united?
I think people sell Americans short. Sure we are divided along lines of politics, but we have been like that since the begining. Even the framers of the Constitution did not all see eye to eye.
Guess what? A couple hundred years from now we will probably not all see eye to eye.
There are other deeper and more fundamental things that unite our country, much more meaningful than if somebody voted Democrat or Republican.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: rbloedow
I voted for Kerry, but will support Bush. I can look past my own bias because he is my president, and I will support him. AS I've posted before, We are a country of ideas and principles, and it's heartwarming to know we can discuss this on an open forum, no matter how passionate each side is. We don't riot, we don't throw bombs. No matter how divided we seem, we are still more unified than ever, not as republicans or democrats, left or right, but as Americans.

I can respectfully disagree with my fellow citizens - and I respect their opinions, no matter how different from my own they are.

What exactly do you mean by supporting him?
I feel it is your right and your duty as an American to speak out against your President if he takes actions that you feel are against the spirit of the Constitution, and the rights set forth therein. There's a reason we are guaranteed the right to peaceful protest.

 

[preslove]

Oops, I meant to quote this:

quote:

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Originally posted by: FreshFish
Totally divided after this fvcking campaign. Religious/Conservative vs. Liberal....there is very little gray area anymore...very sad

Edit: on a side-note: is it "gray" or "grey"?
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It's divided, but it's not evenly divided. There is a clear majority in this country now. That was made clear by the spanking the Dems took in the sentate, house, governor's races, presidency and popular vote yesterday.

Gore won the popular by a .1% in 2000. Bush won by 3 points. Go the hell home, troll.

 

[Platypus]

that's what happens when you give people a 'democratic' choice between black and white

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: lizardboy

Originally posted by: Aimster
The United South Midwest of Jesus

love it - couldn't be more true.

The evangellicals would vote for Hitler as long as he was against abortion and gay marriage.

What Would Jesus Bomb?

Nice generalizations there.
I'm solid Christian and I did not vote for Bush.

 

[TheAudit]

Why is everyone acting like this is the first election this country has ever had?

 

[Beau]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

I voted for Kerry, but will support Bush. I can look past my own bias because he is my president, and I will support him. AS I've posted before, We are a country of ideas and principles, and it's heartwarming to know we can discuss this on an open forum, no matter how passionate each side is. We don't riot, we don't throw bombs. No matter how divided we seem, we are still more unified than ever, not as republicans or democrats, left or right, but as Americans.

I can respectfully disagree with my fellow citizens - and I respect their opinions, no matter how different from my own they are.

:beer:

100% agreed.

 

[Wahsapa]

this country wasnt founded on 'follow the leader' you're suppose to have convictions and fight for them and not concede simply because your man lost "do dee dum its time to do what the other guy says now"

"i voted for kerry but will follow bush... more people should be like me" well if more people were like you kerry would have won

 

[Beau]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: lizardboy

Originally posted by: Aimster
The United South Midwest of Jesus

love it - couldn't be more true.

The evangellicals would vote for Hitler as long as he was against abortion and gay marriage.

What Would Jesus Bomb?

Nice generalizations there.
I'm solid Christian and I did not vote for Bush.

boohoo

This world runs on generalizations (statistics, etc), and there ain't a damn thing anyone can do about it.

 

[Mo0o]

It's not as much as EVERYONE should be united, but the MAJORITY is united.

 

[jst0ney]

P&N!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Titan]

When you're left with a choice between a Gaint Douche or a Turd Sandwich, it's pretty easy to be divided on who to vote for. People unite behind important things, like having food to eat and a home that no one flies a Plane into. Smart people don't get all emotional and worked up about voting for "my guy," or "Issues" that are abstract and impossible to account for. Despite whatever we choose, the outcome is always the same. The problem is that voters have to become fanatics for their guy, and no one who is smart enough to see that both guys suck is left with any real choice.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

The picture of red vs. blue becomes more clear when it's broken up by counties. Urban areas almost always are liberal while rural areas are almost always conservative. States that are more dense are leaned to the liberal, states that aren't as dense are leaned to the conservative. California as a whole isn't dense, but consider that most of it's population is in three areas: SF bay, LA basin, and Sacramento. The rest of the state gets outvoted. A place like Colorado where the population is widespread gets the conservative vote.

Edit:
note the following:
http://www.cast.uark.edu/local...htmldir/USpop1990.html

 

[forumJunkie]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Poontos
Do you have any hesitation today saying The UNITED States of America?

Is North America filled with two countries (U.S. & Canada, specifically) too large to support non-divided nations?

Canada, where I was born and live today, weathered an election this past June, where one can draw similarities with the sense of being divided. Although, our numbers were 36% and 29% between the two most popular parties.

Do you consider The United States of America a divided country? Since your election has concluded, you can't help but notice the diagram of the "Red" and "Blue" states representing Bush and Kerry state victories.

Would you feel comfortable with being the Command and Chief of your country if you only had support from half of the country?

Any idea where can I find stats on the level of education per capita in the states that voted for Bush versus Kerry?

I voted for Kerry, but will support Bush. I can look past my own bias because he is my president, and I will support him. AS I've posted before, We are a country of ideas and principles, and it's heartwarming to know we can discuss this on an open forum, no matter how passionate each side is. We don't riot, we don't throw bombs. No matter how divided we seem, we are still more unified than ever, not as republicans or democrats, left or right, but as Americans.

I can respectfully disagree with my fellow citizens - and I respect their opinions, no matter how different from my own they are.

I vote for rbloedow as president!

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: tkotitan2
When you're left with a choice between a Gaint Douche or a Turd Sandwich, it's pretty easy to be divided on who to vote for. People unite behind important things, like having food to eat and a home that no one flies a Plane into. Smart people don't get all emotional and worked up about voting for "my guy," or "Issues" that are abstract and impossible to account for. Despite whatever we choose, the outcome is always the same. The problem is that voters have to become fanatics for their guy, and no one who is smart enough to see that both guys suck is left with any real choice.

BEST POST EVER

 

[phantom309]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: rbloedow
I voted for Kerry, but will support Bush. I can look past my own bias because he is my president, and I will support him. AS I've posted before, We are a country of ideas and principles, and it's heartwarming to know we can discuss this on an open forum, no matter how passionate each side is. We don't riot, we don't throw bombs. No matter how divided we seem, we are still more unified than ever, not as republicans or democrats, left or right, but as Americans.

I can respectfully disagree with my fellow citizens - and I respect their opinions, no matter how different from my own they are.

What exactly do you mean by supporting him?
I feel it is your right and your duty as an American to speak out against your President if he takes actions that you feel are against the spirit of the Constitution, and the rights set forth therein. There's a reason we are guaranteed the right to peaceful protest.

Within the designated "free speech zones", of course.

 

[jadinolf]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Poontos
Do you have any hesitation today saying The UNITED States of America?

Is North America filled with two countries (U.S. & Canada, specifically) too large to support non-divided nations?

Canada, where I was born and live today, weathered an election this past June, where one can draw similarities with the sense of being divided. Although, our numbers were 36% and 29% between the two most popular parties.

Do you consider The United States of America a divided country? Since your election has concluded, you can't help but notice the diagram of the "Red" and "Blue" states representing Bush and Kerry state victories.

Would you feel comfortable with being the Command and Chief of your country if you only had support from half of the country?

Any idea where can I find stats on the level of education per capita in the states that voted for Bush versus Kerry?

I voted for Kerry, but will support Bush. I can look past my own bias because he is my president, and I will support him. AS I've posted before, We are a country of ideas and principles, and it's heartwarming to know we can discuss this on an open forum, no matter how passionate each side is. We don't riot, we don't throw bombs. No matter how divided we seem, we are still more unified than ever, not as republicans or democrats, left or right, but as Americans.

I can respectfully disagree with my fellow citizens - and I respect their opinions, no matter how different from my own they are.

:thumbsup:

The trouble making foreigners just don't understand us do they?

God bless America

 

[Kermy]

Originally posted by: jadinolf

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Poontos
Do you have any hesitation today saying The UNITED States of America?

Is North America filled with two countries (U.S. & Canada, specifically) too large to support non-divided nations?

Canada, where I was born and live today, weathered an election this past June, where one can draw similarities with the sense of being divided. Although, our numbers were 36% and 29% between the two most popular parties.

Do you consider The United States of America a divided country? Since your election has concluded, you can't help but notice the diagram of the "Red" and "Blue" states representing Bush and Kerry state victories.

Would you feel comfortable with being the Command and Chief of your country if you only had support from half of the country?

Any idea where can I find stats on the level of education per capita in the states that voted for Bush versus Kerry?

I voted for Kerry, but will support Bush. I can look past my own bias because he is my president, and I will support him. AS I've posted before, We are a country of ideas and principles, and it's heartwarming to know we can discuss this on an open forum, no matter how passionate each side is. We don't riot, we don't throw bombs. No matter how divided we seem, we are still more unified than ever, not as republicans or democrats, left or right, but as Americans.

I can respectfully disagree with my fellow citizens - and I respect their opinions, no matter how different from my own they are.

:thumbsup:

The trouble making foreigners just don't understand us do they?

God bless America

:beer::thumbsup: Exactly how I feel. I'm a democrat but I'm more importantly, a citizen of the United States of America. USA > party allegiance.