not true at all! You are trying to make the rules....
What` interesting is that you cannot show that god does not exist!!
So if we are playing by Carfax83`s rules instead of your rules it is very true!!!
not true at all! You are trying to make the rules....That's where the argument Fails. You must show that such a thing exists before you can put it into the argument.
You might have noticed, I do that a lot, and I know I do. Apologies if it makes you feel like I'm inserting myself into the conversation between the two of you.Cerpin handled the first point, so
Except for that tiny inconvenient fact that we don't know that it began to exist at all.
Yes, we've been over this many times, and like I always told you, I'm not going to accept your internet no name word over that of acclaimed Scientists, college level text books and even Wikipedia who very clearly state that DNA does contain information that is EXACTLY a code, and not merely analogous to it.We've been over this before, and as I showed you the last time, DNA does not contain "information" and it is not a "code." Those are just metaphors used by scientists to help people understand the underlying reality, but you don't know enough to realize your error.
SourceThe genetic code is the set of rules by which information encoded within genetic material (DNA or mRNA sequences) is translated into proteins by living cells. Biological decoding is accomplished by the ribosome, which links amino acids in an order specified by mRNA, using transfer RNA (tRNA) molecules to carry amino acids and to read the mRNA three nucleotides at a time. The genetic code is highly similar among all organisms and can be expressed in a simple table with 64 entries.
You dumbass, you completely misunderstood my post...as usual.But that is nonsense, of course. You don't think that the proteins are held together by magic, do you? No, they bind together because it is inherent in the electromagnetic compositions of the atoms that compose the molecules themselves, the same way hydrogen binds to oxygen. Is it awe-inspiring? Yes! Is it mysterious? Yes! But you'd have to be a special kind of idiot to declare categorically "this is impossible!" and just slap a "God" label on it like you've done anything meaningful.
Seriously, STFU. Either provide a source other than your brain dead self that claims DNA is NOT a code, or GTFO..Great but DNA is not a code. It is utterly dishonest of you to continue to propagate this falsehood after I know I have personally educated you on the facts in the past.
You fuckstick, you're the one that believes natural chemical and physical forces (or processes if you prefer) creates codes, not me..No "force" creates codes, you buffoon. Force just moves stuff around. Fuck me, do you even think about what you write?
You might have noticed, I do that a lot, and I know I do. Apologies if it makes you feel like I'm inserting myself into the conversation between the two of you.
My point was that there is no known natural force or process that creates CODES!
Put it this way: if you want to show that the universe did not always exist, you'd need to show us when there was no universe.So you're saying the Universe has always existed?
No, it isn't a code, it never was as code, and it never will be a code. It's a collection of physical objects in space and time, something a code is not. You are entirely hypnotized by the metaphor because you want so badly for it to bolster your argument, but you can't change the facts.Yes, we've been over this many times, and like I always told you, I'm not going to accept your internet no name word over that of acclaimed Scientists, college level text books and even Wikipedia who very clearly state that DNA does contain information that is EXACTLY a code, and not merely analogous to it.
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That's just silly. Human thought has produced lots of codes.My point was that there is no known natural force or process that creates CODES!
I repeat: molecules are not codes. Codes are language. Language is an abstraction, not physical matter.DNA and genetic codes...
Aren't they?...aren't just a collection of random molecules pulled together by chemical attraction.
No. They simply are, because they are objects in space and time. Meaning is an idea, and it only exists in minds.They have ORDER and MEANING, just like a language.
Look, it's not a question of what DNA does. You are simply making an error by inventing this idea of meaning and order that simply does not belong. You are painting the target around the arrow -- a common creationist fallacy.It's the very order and meaning in genetic code which represents a particular life form, all the way from the shape and contour of it's body to the amount of cells and the position of it's vital organs.
Horsefeathers.Without such specific order and meaning, there would not be the countless myriad of distinct life forms that exist on planet Earth.
I'm not just claiming it isn't a code. I explained precisely why it isn't a code, and your only rebuttal has amounted to "but these guys use the word 'code' so it's a code." No, they are using a metaphor because it is convenient, like I already said. A code is message formed in a language, with rules of grammar and syntax. DNA is a collection of molecules.Seriously, STFU. Either provide a source other than your brain dead self that claims DNA is NOT a code, or GTFO.
Yes, I know.You fuckstick, you're the one that believes natural chemical and physical forces (or processes if you prefer) creates codes, not me..
If there's a creator, it certainly isn't anything we do or can understand, and it's nearly impossible that it's anything similar to what human religions might suggest. The fact that there's as much variety in religious beliefs on Earth as-is indicates that there probably is no one religion that is "true."
My thoughts exactly. If the universe does have a creator, it's absolutely nothing like any of the make believe "gods" that humans invented.
Scientists have done experiments that replicated the environment of early Earth in which amino acids formed in those experiments.
Why does there need to be a beginning? I thought we were beyond linear temporal models. See: Quantum Mechanics
Edit: Of course, that doesn't mean there wasn't a creator, either, even if the multiverse is "eternal".
The funny thing about threads like this is that scientifically, who the heck knows if there was a creator. It boils down to what one believes, end of story.
I am having a hard time understanding why scientific atheists are even in this thread discussing the topic. If there is no evidence (as they religiously claim), the question of a creator should simply be a non-concern, but since it isn't, that just shows how important such a question is -- probably the most important question in the history of man.
I am willing to wager that some atheists here are either open to the idea of God, or intrigued by it.
The thread is about the beginning of the Universe. Something that only Science knows anything about.
No, it isn't a code, it never was as code, and it never will be a code.
DNA, or deoxyribonucleic acid, is the hereditary material in humans and almost all other organisms. Nearly every cell in a person’s body has the same DNA. Most DNA is located in the cell nucleus (where it is called nuclear DNA), but a small amount of DNA can also be found in the mitochondria (where it is called mitochondrial DNA or mtDNA).
The information in DNA is stored as a code made up of four chemical bases: adenine (A), guanine (G), cytosine (C), and thymine (T). Human DNA consists of about 3 billion bases, and more than 99 percent of those bases are the same in all people. The order, or sequence, of these bases determines the information available for building and maintaining an organism, similar to the way in which letters of the alphabet appear in a certain order to form words and sentences.
Cerpin Taxt is pretty stupid and can't comprehend a lot of what he reads.
I know that it's very hard for you to learn new subjects because you're very stupid, but even a retard like you can benefit from reading more.
Cerpin Taxt, you are too stupid to understand what I posted. It's easy to see how much of a willful ignorant retard you are.
Here is the definition:
That's like saying "paper is a code".
Paper is the medium on which you can store a code. DNA is the medium on which genetic information is encoded.
Cerpin Taxt, you are too stupid to understand what I posted. It's easy to see how much of a willful ignorant retard you are.
Seriously? Do you really think this is how Jesus would have responded in this discussion?
I note that nobody can even attempt to rebut my argument, but instead can only manage to argue by definition. The even sadder part of this circumstance is that I don't think anyone realize how weak it is to argue by definition.Here is the definition:
I suspect that you misunderstood me.
It's because the know-nothing theists won't stop shooting off at the mouth with an unending fountain of misinformation and errors of fact.I am having a hard time understanding why scientific atheists are even in this thread discussing the topic.
I don't speak for anyone else, but I'm not concerned about a creator, and I don't think the question is important at all. What *IS* important is that other people are not misled by the falsehoods and fallacies continually manufactured by the religious.If there is no evidence (as they religiously claim), the question of a creator should simply be a non-concern, but since it isn't, that just shows how important such a question is -- probably the most important question in the history of man.
I am, most certainly.I am willing to wager that some atheists here are either open to the idea of God, or intrigued by it.