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KalieMa

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Originally posted by: adder1971
Originally posted by: KalieMa
Originally posted by: adder1971
what mem freq and timings were you using besides for 1t?

"Auto". I'm not sure what it's setting it as, probably the SPD default on the DIMMs. I'm trying different settings there now to see if these will make a difference.

So far in my tests, I found that the MemTest errors out much later in the testing with the Vdimm bumped up from default to 2.178. I'm going to keep it there for the duration of my memory testing and, once I've found a stable setting, relax it a bit to see if it'll be necessary.

Just started a test at 5-5-5-15-1T, gonna see how it goes.

do you know if those are micron d9's? i'm pretty sure mine aren't although some older ones were supposed to be. i can still get to 1000mhz with them.

Mine are labelled "XMS6404 v2.1". According to this thread on Corsair's forums ( http://www.houseofhelp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56940 ) they're 90nm Promos chips rather than the Micron D-series. Some other revisions of the same chips are, but mine aren't.

1T is no-go for me at any latency/voltage (or combination of settings) I've tried. I might do a more methodical test another day, but I don't really have time to dedicate to it tonight.
 

KalieMa

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http://compatible.corsairmemory.com/

Looking at my RAM on that list, it shows it as being the basic "compatable" RAM for the system. Digging deeper into the specs, it looks like Corsair specs it out as 2T ram. That's probably the issue, since it's simply not guaranteed to operate at 1T. I may send it back to Newegg for some Crucial stuff if I can't get things resolved through Corsair or Asus.
 
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I think I've determined that mosfet cooling isn't much of an issue for this board. They are not even warm to the touch really. Course this is stock voltage right now, but even with 2 folding instances running they are still cool. I'm gonna pass on buying some sinks on them.

Next question, is there any way to control fan rpm's that run off the mobo? Pretty sure probe can't do it. Can speedfan do it?
 
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Originally posted by: Genuine Imitation
I think I've determined that mosfet cooling isn't much of an issue for this board. They are not even warm to the touch really. Course this is stock voltage right now, but even with 2 folding instances running they are still cool. I'm gonna pass on buying some sinks on them.

Next question, is there any way to control fan rpm's that run off the mobo? Pretty sure probe can't do it. Can speedfan do it?

speedfan is able to control the fan's connected to the board.
 
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Originally posted by: aintitthelife98
Originally posted by: Genuine Imitation
I think I've determined that mosfet cooling isn't much of an issue for this board. They are not even warm to the touch really. Course this is stock voltage right now, but even with 2 folding instances running they are still cool. I'm gonna pass on buying some sinks on them.

Next question, is there any way to control fan rpm's that run off the mobo? Pretty sure probe can't do it. Can speedfan do it?

speedfan is able to control the fan's connected to the board.

Excellent, anyone have links to the version that works with this board? I thought i read about 20 pages back that I needed a beta version. Also, I think i've decided to order the evercool vc-re for the southbridge even though I'll have to take a significant chunk out of it to get around that capacitor. Should be fun
 

HRPretzel

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My only problem with the 0401 so far is when your clear the CMOS it reverts back to 1T as a default. I have to pop out a memory stick to get back in the bios to change it back 2T. I was actually able to get Windows to load at 3.6GHz unlinked @ 1600FSB/800Mem but it was not stable no matter how much juice I gave the Vcore with 1.56v on the NB. Loosening my Mem timings seems to have no effect either. Strange that the 6300 & 6400 OC as much if not more than my 6600. Sheesh
 

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Originally posted by: Genuine Imitation
I think I've determined that mosfet cooling isn't much of an issue for this board. They are not even warm to the touch really. Course this is stock voltage right now, but even with 2 folding instances running they are still cool. I'm gonna pass on buying some sinks on them.

Next question, is there any way to control fan rpm's that run off the mobo? Pretty sure probe can't do it. Can speedfan do it?


Originally posted by: Core2

install Speefan v4.31 and upgrade it to Speedfan v4.32 beta 8 by swapping out the original speedfan.exe with the Beta speedfan.exe
It is a great program to monitor temps ,voltages, and fan control

To Configure the Program
Just compare temps to ASUS Probe
Click on configure and select the temperature tab if you click on a temp selection and press F2 you can rename it to anything you want CPU, MB core 1 core 2 HD 1
next go to the fan tab and do the same thing fan1 click press f2 and rename it front fan and so on.
go to the speed tab and check the fans you want to control and set the min and max value and check the Auto variated
Select the Advance Tab click the drop down arrow and select the lT8712F at $290 on ISA
This is a little tricky and may vary with different fans and cases. Most import is if you make changes here that work, make sure you check, remember this check box on the bottom for each selection

OK these are my settings

Temperture sensor diode 1 Themister
Temperture sensor diode 2 Themister
Temperture sensor diode 3 Themister
FAN1 divisor 8
FAN2 divisor 2
FAN3 divisor 2
PWM 1- 5 Software controlled
PWMOUT 3M
Temperture offset 1 -3 0
Fan1 mult 1
Fan1 div 1
Fan2 mult 1
Fan2 div 2
Fan3 mult 1
Fan4 div 2
Revere PWM 01 - 05 all off

click ok
check automatic fan speed on the main page
and your pretty much done
You have to disable Q fan and Q chassis fan for this to work properly in the bios under hardware monitor

 

Core2

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Originally posted by: HRPretzel
My only problem with the 0401 so far is when your clear the CMOS it reverts back to 1T as a default. I have to pop out a memory stick to get back in the bios to change it back 2T. I was actually able to get Windows to load at 3.6GHz unlinked @ 1600FSB/800Mem but it was not stable no matter how much juice I gave the Vcore with 1.56v on the NB. Loosening my Mem timings seems to have no effect either. Strange that the 6300 & 6400 OC as much if not more than my 6600. Sheesh

HRPretzel
You have a FSB Hole @ 1600 step over it and try 1601 - 1700 kept upping the FSB till you find a working one.
 

Core2

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Originally posted by: KalieMa
http://compatible.corsairmemory.com/

Looking at my RAM on that list, it shows it as being the basic "compatable" RAM for the system. Digging deeper into the specs, it looks like Corsair specs it out as 2T ram. That's probably the issue, since it's simply not guaranteed to operate at 1T. I may send it back to Newegg for some Crucial stuff if I can't get things resolved through Corsair or Asus.

Exchange them if you can. Corsair changed there chips on the C4's (90nm Promos chips are NG for overclocking ) . The Crucial's have a lot better chance of running 1T and higher FSB
 

KalieMa

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I've initiated a return process with NewEgg. Never done their RMA before, but hopefully it won't take long to process.

Ugh. I just realized that there is a restocking fee of $41 on the RAM if I refund. I don't know what my options are, but I can't eat $41 just to exchange the stuff.
 

Core2

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Originally posted by: KalieMa
I've initiated a return process with NewEgg. Never done their RMA before, but hopefully it won't take long to process.

Ugh. I just realized that there is a restocking fee of $41 on the RAM if I refund. I don't know what my options are, but I can't eat $41 just to exchange the stuff.

$41 on an exchange?? Tell them 1 stick was DOA see what they say and you want to exchange them for another brand

EDIT: ZipZoomfyl has them on sale for 284 with a 40 rebate maybe that will offset the restocking fee

Crucials PC6400
 
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Originally posted by: Core2
Originally posted by: KalieMa
I've initiated a return process with NewEgg. Never done their RMA before, but hopefully it won't take long to process.

Ugh. I just realized that there is a restocking fee of $41 on the RAM if I refund. I don't know what my options are, but I can't eat $41 just to exchange the stuff.

$41 on an exchange?? Tell them 1 stick was DOA see what they say and you want to exchange them for another brand

EDIT: ZipZoomfyl has them on sale for 284 with a 40 rebate maybe that will offset the restocking fee

Crucials PC6400

Those are the sticks I bought, I loved em even before I installed them And thanks for the speedfan info core2.
 

Core2

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Originally posted by: Genuine Imitation
Originally posted by: Core2
Originally posted by: KalieMa
I've initiated a return process with NewEgg. Never done their RMA before, but hopefully it won't take long to process.

Ugh. I just realized that there is a restocking fee of $41 on the RAM if I refund. I don't know what my options are, but I can't eat $41 just to exchange the stuff.

$41 on an exchange?? Tell them 1 stick was DOA see what they say and you want to exchange them for another brand

EDIT: ZipZoomfyl has them on sale for 284 with a 40 rebate maybe that will offset the restocking fee

Crucials PC6400

Those are the sticks I bought, I loved em even before I installed them And thanks for the speedfan info core2.

Now if I could find the PC8000 on sale. Have any ideas??? I'd like to try a set out. These things were selling for 260 in december with a 40 rebate.

Crucial Ballistix 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1000 (PC2 8000)
 

Tuvoc

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Incredible, I've just read all 60 pages of this over 3 days!! I'm sure it was only 35 pages when I started...

Just built my system as follows:
Asus P5N-E SLi nForce 650
Intel Core 2 Quadro Extreme Edition QX6700
4 x 1GB GeIL PC6400C4 800MHz Ultra Low Latency DDR2
Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro
Corsair HX 620W ATX2.2 Modular

Some observations:
- VDroop is horrible, the stock vcore is 1.35v according to Core Temp Beta 0.94. ASUS Probe shows 1.28 - 1.30v at idle, and drops to 1.23v under full load
- with 4 x1GB, memory and FSB has to be linked, otherwise it won't boot.

I have memory at 4-4-4-12 2T, linked 533 speed with FSB 266. Volts 2.08 - but I could probably get away with less. The memory is rated for 2.1v but that is at DDR2 800, and it's running considerably slower than that.

Standard speed is 266 x 10 - 2.66GHz.

Testing with 4 instances of SP2004 Prime 95.
I tried 333 x 9 = 3.0GHz but got a prime error on one core after 3 hrs. Hardly surprising, since if 1.23v is real for the vcore, and 1.35 is standard...

For 333FSB, do I need to increase northbridge volts ? I'd rather not, given the comments on cooling here. And I'm not sure what the stock voltage is for that. Can anyone advise ?

With this chip I can just as easily overclock using the completely unlocked mulitiplier, so if all else fails that's what I'll do. I'm happy at 3.0GHz on air, I don't want to go any further.

CPU temps are fine, with 4 instances of Prime95, ASUS Probe reports 54C

Only other observation - ASUS Probe reports 5V line as 4.81v, at idle and under load, same figure. Very surprising, perhaps the 4 DIMMS draw a lot of power, or perhaps the reading is unreliable.







 

Core2

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Originally posted by: Tuvoc
Incredible, I've just read all 60 pages of this over 3 days!! I'm sure it was only 35 pages when I started...

Just built my system as follows:
Asus P5N-E SLi nForce 650
Intel Core 2 Quadro Extreme Edition QX6700
4 x 1GB GeIL PC6400C4 800MHz Ultra Low Latency DDR2
Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro
Corsair HX 620W ATX2.2 Modular

Some observations:
- VDroop is horrible, the stock vcore is 1.35v according to Core Temp Beta 0.94. ASUS Probe shows 1.28 - 1.30v at idle, and drops to 1.23v under full load
- with 4 x1GB, memory and FSB has to be linked, otherwise it won't boot.

I have memory at 4-4-4-12 2T, linked 533 speed with FSB 266. Volts 2.08 - but I could probably get away with less. The memory is rated for 2.1v but that is at DDR2 800, and it's running considerably slower than that.

Standard speed is 266 x 10 - 2.66GHz.

Testing with 4 instances of SP2004 Prime 95.
I tried 333 x 9 = 3.0GHz but got a prime error on one core after 3 hrs. Hardly surprising, since if 1.23v is real for the vcore, and 1.35 is standard...

For 333FSB, do I need to increase northbridge volts ? I'd rather not, given the comments on cooling here. And I'm not sure what the stock voltage is for that. Can anyone advise ?

With this chip I can just as easily overclock using the completely unlocked mulitiplier, so if all else fails that's what I'll do. I'm happy at 3.0GHz on air, I don't want to go any further.

CPU temps are fine, with 4 instances of Prime95, ASUS Probe reports 54C

Only other observation - ASUS Probe reports 5V line as 4.81v, at idle and under load, same figure. Very surprising, perhaps the 4 DIMMS draw a lot of power, or perhaps the reading is unreliable.


Tuvoc Welcome Aboard
I was wondering when someone would show up with a Quad
I would think with four cores and four sticks of ram you might need some extra voltage
How's your cooling (case, NB,SB) If you think your fine you can up that NB to 1.39 should help you. I haven't read to much on the Quad Cores I did notice that there FSB was more limited than the duel cores. Lets us know how you make out and the Pro's and Con's of the Quad

EDIT: I would first try to get my ram up to speed. Try upping the NB to 1.39 and see if you get into Widows @ 800. if not up the ram voltage to 2.17 and leave the NB @ 1.39

vcore I would start at 1.35 and bump it up a notch at a time till you feel stable
 
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Originally posted by: Core2
Originally posted by: Genuine Imitation
Originally posted by: Core2
Originally posted by: KalieMa
I've initiated a return process with NewEgg. Never done their RMA before, but hopefully it won't take long to process.

Ugh. I just realized that there is a restocking fee of $41 on the RAM if I refund. I don't know what my options are, but I can't eat $41 just to exchange the stuff.

$41 on an exchange?? Tell them 1 stick was DOA see what they say and you want to exchange them for another brand

EDIT: ZipZoomfyl has them on sale for 284 with a 40 rebate maybe that will offset the restocking fee

Crucials PC6400

Those are the sticks I bought, I loved em even before I installed them And thanks for the speedfan info core2.

Now if I could find the PC8000 on sale. Have any ideas??? I'd like to try a set out. These things were selling for 260 in december with a 40 rebate.

Crucial Ballistix 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1000 (PC2 8000)

Truthfully Core2 I don't think they're really worth the extra money unless you find the on sale. CPU-Z shows mine to have 2 spd settings, one for 800mhz, 4-4-4-12, and one set for 1000mhz at 5-5-5-15. Maybe the 8000 set is binned slightly better, but maybe not worth it for the added cost. Your call there. I'll be able to give you more info next week on how well they really clock.
 

Tuvoc

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Originally posted by: Core2
Tuvoc Welcome Aboard
I was wondering when someone would show up with a Quad
I would think with four cores and four sticks of ram you might need some extra voltage
How's your cooling (case, NB,SB) If you think your fine you can up that NB to 1.39 should help you. I haven't read to much on the Quad Cores I did notice that there FSB was more limited than the duel cores. Lets us know how you make out and the Pro's and Con's of the Quad

Case is a Lian-Li PC-7 PLUS Aluminium Midi-Tower Case, 120mm fans front and rear, and 80mm "blow-hole" fan at the top. Stunning case. So cooling is pretty good. I do have one of those Zalman fan brackets where I can suspend a case fan over the motherboard, so I could use that
http://www.zalman.co.kr/eng/product/view.asp?idx=15&code

What is the standard voltage for the northbridge ? You say maybe increase to 1.39v, but exactly how much of an increase over standard is that ?





 

Core2

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Truthfully Core2 I don't think they're really worth the extra money unless you find the on sale. CPU-Z shows mine to have 2 spd settings, one for 800mhz, 4-4-4-12, and one set for 1000mhz at 5-5-5-15. Maybe the 8000 set is binned slightly better, but maybe not worth it for the added cost. Your call there. I'll be able to give you more info next week on how well they really clock.

Yea, I know Its that they were on sale and I didn't jump on them. Your right they are binned better looks like they might of gave you one to try. There are a few here with what you have and they seem to be doing the best with 1T and lower timings. Let me know how high you can hit with those. I'm looking for something that can hit 1100 or 1066 at least and I know the 8000 should come close
 

Core2

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Originally posted by: Tuvoc
Originally posted by: Core2
Tuvoc Welcome Aboard
I was wondering when someone would show up with a Quad
I would think with four cores and four sticks of ram you might need some extra voltage
How's your cooling (case, NB,SB) If you think your fine you can up that NB to 1.39 should help you. I haven't read to much on the Quad Cores I did notice that there FSB was more limited than the duel cores. Lets us know how you make out and the Pro's and Con's of the Quad

Case is a Lian-Li PC-7 PLUS Aluminium Midi-Tower Case, 120mm fans front and rear, and 80mm "blow-hole" fan at the top. Stunning case. So cooling is pretty good. I do have one of those Zalman fan brackets where I can suspend a case fan over the motherboard, so I could use that
http://www.zalman.co.kr/eng/product/view.asp?idx=15&code

What is the standard voltage for the northbridge ? You say maybe increase to 1.39v, but exactly how much of an increase over standard is that ?

Only one notch up from the bottom 1.2 Most of us have used 1.56 with no problems so I see 1.39 as being real save if you have decent cooling. Check my first reply I edited it
 

Tuvoc

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Originally posted by: Core2

Only one notch up from the bottom 1.2 Most of us have used 1.56 with no problems so I see 1.39 as being real save if you have decent cooling. Check my first reply I edited it

Thanks Core2.

I wonder what the performance increase is from running the RAM asyncronously ? I haven't seen any comparisons. I wonder if it is worth trying for. If not, in fact I may try decreasing the RAM voltage a little to make it run cooler. The RAM at 533 is running way under spec of 800, and shouldn't need the 2.1v Geil say it needs

If the RAM can be run asynchronously at any speed you like, ("unlinked" is what this board refers to it as?) does the FSB then no longer matter if I have a fully unlocked multi ? e.g. from what I read the board can run the following two scenarios (correct me if I'm wrong):

a) FSB 266 RAM 667 CPU 266x10 = 2.67
b) FSB 333 RAM 667 CPU 333x8 = 2.67

Is the second scenario actually any faster ???


I think I'll find out first what vcore I need to get 3.0GHz stable, by using FSB 273 at 11 multi - 3.0GHz. 273 is close enough to stock for the northbridge to be perfectly fine at stock volts. Once I've established that, then I can start playing with the memory and FSB again

 

Core2

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Originally posted by: Tuvoc
Originally posted by: Core2

Only one notch up from the bottom 1.2 Most of us have used 1.56 with no problems so I see 1.39 as being real save if you have decent cooling. Check my first reply I edited it

Thanks Core2.

I wonder what the performance increase is from running the RAM asyncronously ? I haven't seen any comparisons. I wonder if it is worth trying for. If not, in fact I may try decreasing the RAM voltage a little to make it run cooler. The RAM at 533 is running way under spec of 800, and shouldn't need the 2.1v Geil say it needs

If the RAM can be run asynchronously at any speed you like, ("unlinked" is what this board refers to it as?) does the FSB then no longer matter if I have a fully unlocked multi ? e.g. from what I read the board can run the following two scenarios (correct me if I'm wrong):

a) FSB 266 RAM 667 CPU 266x10 = 2.67
b) FSB 333 RAM 667 CPU 333x8 = 2.67

Is the second scenario actually any faster ???


I think I'll find out first what vcore I need to get 3.0GHz stable, by using FSB 273 at 11 multi - 3.0GHz. 273 is close enough to stock for the northbridge to be perfectly fine at stock volts. Once I've established that, then I can start playing with the memory and FSB again

Read this Memory Strap the theory my hold true for this board. I would run some benchmarks and see what you get. Running your ram at 800 vs 533 will definitely have better performance. You should try just two sticks of ram in the black slots only to achieve higher memory speeds and FSB. This method works the best with this board
 

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Originally posted by: Core2
Originally posted by: HRPretzel
My only problem with the 0401 so far is when your clear the CMOS it reverts back to 1T as a default. I have to pop out a memory stick to get back in the bios to change it back 2T. I was actually able to get Windows to load at 3.6GHz unlinked @ 1600FSB/800Mem but it was not stable no matter how much juice I gave the Vcore with 1.56v on the NB. Loosening my Mem timings seems to have no effect either. Strange that the 6300 & 6400 OC as much if not more than my 6600. Sheesh

HRPretzel
You have a FSB Hole @ 1600 step over it and try 1601 - 1700 kept upping the FSB till you find a working one.

Got all the way to 1610 with no luck. It freezes so much I can't even get in the bios sometimes and I hate clearing the CMOS because the SATA plugs & front panel plugins get in the way. Plus I have to pop a mem stick everytime because of the 1T timing default. I don't get it.
 

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Originally posted by: HRPretzel
Originally posted by: Core2
Originally posted by: HRPretzel
My only problem with the 0401 so far is when your clear the CMOS it reverts back to 1T as a default. I have to pop out a memory stick to get back in the bios to change it back 2T. I was actually able to get Windows to load at 3.6GHz unlinked @ 1600FSB/800Mem but it was not stable no matter how much juice I gave the Vcore with 1.56v on the NB. Loosening my Mem timings seems to have no effect either. Strange that the 6300 & 6400 OC as much if not more than my 6600. Sheesh

HRPretzel
You have a FSB Hole @ 1600 step over it and try 1601 - 1700 kept upping the FSB till you find a working one.

Got all the way to 1610 with no luck. It freezes so much I can't even get in the bios sometimes and I hate clearing the CMOS because the SATA plugs & front panel plugins get in the way. Plus I have to pop a mem stick everytime because of the 1T timing default. I don't get it.

Loosen your timings to 5-5-5-15 2T
Which Corsairs do you have C4 or C5
 
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