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[Turbonium]

Yea, 15 seconds lategame is a LOT of time. You can easily down a lane in that time if in base.

 

[Destiny]

Just watch some DOTA 2 Korean Teams playing in the Nexon Starter League tournament... VERY BAD PLAYS and players were buying WTF items. I had more fun listening to the Korean castors/commentors than watching the games.


Now I'm currently watching Tongfu vs DK DOTA 2 League Super Finals (Live):

http://www.twitch.tv/beyondthesummit

Big difference in plays.

 

[Turbonium]

Honestly, I never understood watching DotA/Dota 2 matches other than for learning. Obsing just makes me want to play, and I sometimes get frustrated over bonehead plays or things I would have done differently.

But yea, for learning it's great. But the best way to learn is to play, with players better than you.

 

[{bad}]

Big difference in plays.

yes there is a lot of difference and both western and asian style works.
we can't say one is superior to other

 

[Zeze]

yes there is a lot of difference and both western and asian style works.
we can't say one is superior to other

I love it when they clash. It's amazing to see how they approach the same game.

I love the clockwork-like precision of combos that Chinese teams unleash, it's ridiculous (like perfectly insta-timing Venge's Swap & SK's blink stun simultaneously where Venge was, WTF).

I love how Western teams wreck with Wisp. And when Chinese tried Wisp, they failed just horribly.

 

[p0rkguy]

Watching them to actually learn is great, mimicking them just makes you worse.
I played with a spectre that went quelling blade/phase boots/drums with free farm that I gave him on safe lane. When the whole team asked why he did it, he said pros do it... Saw his game history and 5/7 of his most recent games were with spectre doing the same build. Only 1 of those 5 games he won in and it wasn't even because of him...

These are the bad players. These are the players that managed to make it to high tier off carries in pubs. These players don't adapt, they don't change, they don't improve.

 

[Zeze]

The best part about getting better in Dota is that you make strategy/item decision totally on your own. And you feel the actual difference and see the result that led to victory which wouldn't have happened otherwise.

Just last year, Weaver was an outdated hero that would farm Radiance and be useless with 0 damage and 450 hp all game. I decided to load him up by abusing value items- Wand, Aquila, Drums, Tranquil & Medallion.

He was a sick sick offlaner that dominated the lane and helped the team. He was running around with 950 hp at 13 mins and making HUGE plays with infinite sustain (Tranquil & mana regen from Aquila, Wand, & Medallion).

Of course this is nothing new, but it was certainly rare in pubs AND pro games. And what do you know this trend caught on too.

 

[{bad}]

playing on both EU and SG severs taught me a lot about dota, things i didn't knew b4.
it was good to see different people approach same situation differently

 

[{bad}]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3jtDdf0QMg

 

[p0rkguy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxnVzqCeHKo
These are the type of players it feels like I get stuck with on my team...

 

[Destiny]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxnVzqCeHKo
These are the type of players it feels like I get stuck with on my team...

I've been getting teams that do this and get me trapped and killed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-mQb5_V6DE

My team keep falling for traps and when I don't go with them and they get trapped - they get mad at me for not ganking with them... and when I do - the other heroes kill me first before I get my ultimate off and someone on my team get mad at that... even though it was a trap and everyone was going to die anyways...

 

[Turbonium]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxnVzqCeHKo
These are the type of players it feels like I get stuck with on my team...

I lol'd.

 

[Zeze]

Here is the latest competitive hero tier list of July 2013.

Dota 2 is again boasting that amazing diverse range of competitive viability and polish. About 50% of the 101 hero roster is viable in pro games.

No other game in the genre can match it (LoL, HoN). It even beats other genres like fighting games (Street Fighter 4, Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3, etc).

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Here is the latest competitive hero tier list of July 2013.

Dota 2 is again boasting that amazing diverse range of competitive viability and polish. About 50% of the 101 hero roster is viable in pro games.

No other game in the genre can match it (LoL, HoN). It even beats other genres like fighting games (Street Fighter 4, Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3, etc).

Is necrolyte better as a carry/semi-carry or as a support? Whenever I play necro people expect me to buy courier, wards, and sacrifice farm in lane for a harder carry, and I can understand why necrolyte isn't exactly the greatest carry ever. But I've played him a lot more successfully as a position 1-3 hero than as a support-type role.

 

[{bad}]

^^ same here.
i guess it depends on situation. if u already have 2 good carries u can let them farm. if only 1 hard carry then you can solo and farm.

 

[GoodRevrnd]

What are you doing to carry with Necrolyte? He doesn't have any skills that scale in a carrying sense. I've seen tank/radiance be pretty funny on him for the aura stack, but that would only work in pub games.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

What are you doing to carry with Necrolyte? He doesn't have any skills that scale in a carrying sense. I've seen tank/radiance be pretty funny on him for the aura stack, but that would only work in pub games.

Yeah, that's why I can't imagine he would be very good as a hard carry. He can farm quite well with his abilities + mana regen, but it's not up to the scale of some other carries. But he's got that aura, he's tanky as shit, and all you have to do is keep him alive and death pulsing and he becomes a huge pain in the ass. He builds support-ish items like Drum and Mek and Hood/Pipe, but they're basically to keep him around longer while he deals more damage and heal. I wouldn't get him as the only damage dealer in a game, but I think he deserves some kind of farm priority, and definitely his gold is better spent on durability items than on wards and shit.

 

[GoodRevrnd]

and definitely his gold is better spent on durability items than on wards and shit.

Depends on the other heroes in the game. You could make this argument about every support hero considering how good a sheep stick is. His ult and aura are just as good whether he farms 5000 gold or 500 gold. All that matters on him is some survivability. And while you might not get much gold early game playing support, he is an okay push hero so you will get farm in the long term.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Depends on the other heroes in the game. You could make this argument about every support hero considering how good a sheep stick is. His ult and aura are just as good whether he farms 5000 gold or 500 gold. All that matters on him is some survivability. And while you might not get much gold early game playing support, he is an okay push hero so you will get farm in the long term.

True, but most other supports don't have abilities that scale so well into late-game. Whereas both necrolyte's aura and ultimate are based on percentage health, which means they're much more suited late-game where supports are only as useful as early-mid game if they've got items or disables. It also means his abilities are farm-independent, but having said that, he has to be durable enough to hang around throughout the entire teamfight to have optimal impact, whereas many other supports just get off their spell/item combo and that's the majority of their impact in teamfights.

 

[{bad}]

problem with playing necro as core support is that he is not as good as some other supports without items.
some1 like lina, lion jakiro are much btr. if necro ges some farm and items like meka then he can survive and do something

 

[Zeze]

I agree with you guys. General pubs think he should be a main carry (even the majority of reddit thinks so, lol). That only works in pubs and he lacks so many things real carries have (mobility, consistent slow/disable, reaching nuke, etc).

I've had my share of going 13-2-10 with him by going mid + bloodstone/hex/shiva/etc. His carrying ability comes from that fact that his heal/nuke is so expensive & restrictive, but if you have lots of mana, you can spam it and be very very oppressive. Also his aura and ultimate scales forever.

But he simply doesn't cut it for real serious games.

He's awkward because as {bad} pointed it out, there are far superior 4-5 position supports with reliable stuns & positioning skills. Lina/Sand King/Venge/SD/Lesh/Jak/Rubick are all VERY scary when they come out of smoke to stun-lock you to death. And they need 0 items. Necro isn't so much.

I think he should be played as 3 in farm priority, not quite 2. He needs SOME farm then he's real nice to semi-spam his heal/nuke (drums, arcane, force). He doesn't need more as his aura & ultimate don't need items.

He's comparable to... Brewmaster, Silencer, utility Sven/Naga, or secondary core Jugg. Give him SOME gold to make him shine, and that's it.

All that being said, he's almost totally ignored in current pro scene because of the bad reasons I've listed.

 

[Zeze]

Here is the BTS Studio's video list of must-watch EPIC games. (with rolling updates)

I always go there for some epic level entertainment- grab some snack and drink. BTS, in my opinion, is the best Dota 2 casting studio at the moment. You can't get better than LD, Luminous, & Merlini (an ex-pro dota legend).

 

[Juddog]

It seems every compendium game I play is full of people with bad manners; the games seem to mix in the skill levels much differently than the other matches I've played (I have 10 wins now, and will get in a team playing against people with 500+ wins). On top of that, almost every compendium game either has a know-it-all annoying bastard who screams into the mic (quickly they go to mute list) or someone who insists on reporting everybody in the team when things go wrong. Last I checked you can't report a player for being bad or fairly new to the game.

Then there was a game where my team stomped (54-25 or something along those lines), and as we win the opposing team's Lina starts talking endless smack on how our team was garbage, etc.. "If your team was so good and our team was so bad, why did we stomp the sh!t out of you?" was my response.

 

[Zeze]

Just ignore/mute them.

It's human psyche. No matter how objectively right you are and wrong they are, they'll NEVER admit- especially online over a game. No one wins in the argument. Neither will take away anything.

Just mute and play on.

 

[Juddog]

Just ignore/mute them.

It's human psyche. No matter how objectively right you are and wrong they are, they'll NEVER admit- especially online over a game. No one wins in the argument. Neither will take away anything.

Just mute and play on.

True - I just find it amusing when you stomp the other team and they start talking about how "ur bad", etc., based upon what equipment you have. For example I had the Bloodstone as Leshrac and I was getting insulted about it. What's bad about Bloodstone on Leshrac?

Speaking of bad behavior, I know you can mute people, but how do you report racist spam during when you're watching a match, or in the chat channel you're in? I can handle bot spam etc. but when people start with this racist crap it gets tiring real quick.