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[Zeze]

The fact is, Dota is a very deep game. Even the pros can't test every possible strategy or team composition, and a lot of heros and even items are typically avoided, not because they are outright bad, but because they don't want to chance something untested in a serious game with prizes on the line. You can't seem to grasp this concept though, you immediatly assume that if something isn't regularly used it must be terrible and bad- until the day it starts getting used, when suddenly you hop on the bandwagon, like you did with Treant.

Oh man hahahahaha. It's like a child who read few papers and trying to talk down to a stock broker.

What anti-meta breakthrough did you come up with? Linken & Ring of Health naked? You suffer the case of self-absorbed importance- the Dunning-Kruger effect if you will.

But from anyone looking below, they'll see that you're just another bad player out of millions that continue to buy RoH first and Linken. How is something that EVERY terrible players do a 'secret' strategy? LOL. This guy.

So tell us again about RoH SF naked at level 1, LOL.

 

[Zeze]

Are you dumb? TA and weaver dominated their respective lanes. SB was useful, but he didn't smash anything.

This guy is brain is broken and is contorting everything into his own versions. He's like an overzealous Republican or Democrat that just watched a debate where the opponent owned, but in his mind, their team won.

Look at his posting history here. He's out of his mind. How does someone like this function in real life?

 

[Chiropteran]

You mean SB was the third in GPM/Exp while Qop and TA absolutely carried the game. SB was not even a deal-breaker in that game.

Are you dumb? TA and weaver dominated their respective lanes. SB was useful, but he didn't smash anything.

I guess you didn't read my earlier response to bad. If you play *around* SB, and never overextend, always play safe, hug towers and hide behind wards, he can't gank you- but you will lose anyway because it gives the enemy team free reign to control the map. That is what happened in the game. SB won it, because Na'vi was seriously constrained and couldn't do anything creative or sneaky without getting punished.

I mean, you're the utter garbage who actually insists on RoH naked SF will beat a stacked SF. ZERO concept of outlaning & out lasthitting.

LoL, I never even play shadow fiend. Gotta love how you take something I say and CHANGE it into a lie to try to make me look worse.

 

[Chiropteran]

So tell us again about RoH SF naked at level 1, LOL.

Why don't you tell me? It's your strategy, apparently, because I sure haven't ever used it. You just keep on trying to bait me into "1v1 mid bro!" like some angry kid trying to prove a point, and I remember you insisting we use SF.

No thanks. Use your rage elsewhere.

 

[Hmongkeysauce]

I would suggest 1 point in laser and then max march, max rockets, and getting rearm when appropriate when laning mid as tinker. Laser as first skill allows you to either last hit or deny better since your opponent (if lasered) won't be able to do either unless he(zeus) decides to bolt a creep instead of you. March is great for a couple of things. First you can kill ancient stacks if you or another teammate stacked them. Second, it's good against ganks as opponents will think twice about walking into march, although in your case, a +700HP charging cow will walk through march just fine. Better yet, march gives you better control of rune. About 10 to 15 seconds before the rune spawns, you should be using march to clear the lane. This forces creep equilibrium to his tower and he will either (a) defend tower which allows you to go look for rune or (b) leave to look for rune and leave his tower unprotected. Rearm, IMO, is only necessary when you know you are close to your BOT. Before that, you'll have a tough time supporting the mana cost of rearm+skills.

I thought about getting a wand...

Our team was kind of dysfunctional. I tried denying runes and stuff, but he'd just nuke me to death. I guess I should have moved to the rune spots earlier, but we didn't have any wards (another mistake) and I was worried about losing last hits and exp while guessing where the rune was.

Bara didn't need to find me alone to kill me, I was with someone else mid near T2 and he just rolled up, killed me, and walked out, with the other guy just standing round watching. Literally as soon as I started hitting an enemy creep he'd charge. Didn't have BoT so I couldn't TP out, and if he hit me I'd die.

Yeah, I should have ganked another lane or asked for a gank. And the bottle thing is good. Though, if I nuked him after he used the bottle, he'd just nuke me again then use the bottle. I didn't have enough to kill him at any time, so he was just free to do that whenever he wanted.

I maxed laser and rockets till Level 6, then got Rearm then march. Should I have gotten a level of March earlier? I couldn't stand up in a nuke war anyway, and would a level of March have helped?

 

[Zeze]

LoL, I never even play shadow fiend. Gotta love how you take something I say and CHANGE it into a lie to try to make me look worse.

WHAT.

Then.

Why.

On.

Earth.

ALL THIS TIME after 200+ posts,

Would you argue about something you have ZERO idea of and even touched the hero? HAHAhahhaha oh my god.

Oh my god. Absolute filthy ignorance. Wow.

 

[CWRMadcat]

I guess you didn't read my earlier response to bad. If you play *around* SB, and never overextend, always play safe, hug towers and hide behind wards, he can't gank you- but you will lose anyway because it gives the enemy team free reign to control the map. That is what happened in the game. SB won it, because Na'vi was seriously constrained and couldn't do anything creative or sneaky without getting punished.




LoL, I never even play shadow fiend. Gotta love how you take something I say and CHANGE it into a lie to try to make me look worse.

No. Just stop. The game didn't even go long enough for SB to make a big difference. TA and Weaver just wrecked their lanes. You are literally reaching to elevate SB to some level of importance when truth be told, Kalpi could have picked any other support and still won based on how quickly TA/Weaver rolled their opponents.

 

[smackababy]

Speaking of SF, does he cast his ult while invis in Dota 2? I know in HoN, he will not reveal until it is completely cast, is this the same in Dota?

 

[Zeze]

Why don't you tell me? It's your strategy, apparently, because I sure haven't ever used it. You just keep on trying to bait me into "1v1 mid bro!" like some angry kid trying to prove a point, and I remember you insisting we use SF.

No thanks. Use your rage elsewhere.

Why would I 'need' to 1v1 you? You terrible and it will be a waste of time.

Now I don't even need to bother. 1v1 some uninformed ignorant garbage who never touchd SF that THINKS RoH SF will beat a SF with wise item choices?

What is the matter with you?

 

[Zeze]

Speaking of SF, does he cast his ult while invis in Dota 2? I know in HoN, he will not reveal until it is completely cast, is this the same in Dota?

Yes in both 1 & 2. And as you know HoN derived from Dota 1 mechanics.

You can even cancel the channeling, repeat it without breaking invis.

 

[Zeze]

No. Just stop. The game didn't even go long enough for SB to make a big difference. TA and Weaver just wrecked their lanes. You are literally reaching to elevate SB to some level of importance when truth be told, Kalpi could have picked any other support and still won based on how quickly TA/Weaver rolled their opponents.

Hey, Chiro is the guy who NEVER played SF once and he's been arguing with us all along how RoH naked SF will prevail mid. Hahahaha.

The balls on this guy.

ALL ALONG, after 200+ pages of us trying to patiently educate, argued against us.

Also don't forget to look at his Dotabuff and items, LOL.. Some serious horrible things happening there.

 

[Chiropteran]

No. Just stop. The game didn't even go long enough for SB to make a big difference. TA and Weaver just wrecked their lanes. You are literally reaching to elevate SB to some level of importance when truth be told, Kalpi could have picked any other support and still won based on how quickly TA/Weaver rolled their opponents.

So you are saying kaipi basically won a 4v5, because SB wasn't even relevant? Really?

WHAT.

I did not once argue about using RoH first on SF. You are delusional and making up lies now.

I said I often (often doesn't mean always, don't make a fool of yourself by assuming wrong) take a RoH first in all-random. I'm not sure what made you think that all random gave me shadow fiend by default, it does not. It actually gives me a random hero.

 

[Hmongkeysauce]

Speaking of SF, does he cast his ult while invis in Dota 2? I know in HoN, he will not reveal until it is completely cast, is this the same in Dota?

He is revealed right before he cast his ultimate unless that was also changed. There was a clip from dotacinema top 10 Fails where an invis SF tried to cast his ult right next to a solo BM and the BM first hit stunned the SF and eventually killed the SF. Yes, the BM had a basher!

 

[CWRMadcat]

So you are saying kaipi basically won a 4v5, because SB wasn't even relevant? Really?




I did not once argue about using RoH first on SF. You are delusional and making up lies now.

I said I often (often doesn't mean always, don't make a fool of yourself by assuming wrong) take a RoH first in all-random. I'm not sure what made you think that all random gave me shadow fiend by default, it does not. It actually gives me a random hero.

You were literally crowing about Kalpi's SB "SMASHING" (your word) Na'vi when it wasn't even the case. Will SB matter? We might see this in game 2. It didn't happen in game 1, the game never got that far. All I said was you could sub out sb for some other ganker and it really wouldn't have made a difference. The weaver and TA dominated that badly. That in no way implies 4v5, I have no idea where you got that from.

 

[Zeze]

I did not once argue about using RoH first on SF. You are delusional and making up lies now.

Wow, just wow.

Someone go back 3-5 pages and quote about 5-10 things he said directly arguing for SF RoH.

Bottom tier trash ignoramus. How do you live with yourself?

Not ONE person in this forum has sided with your lunacy since your first post in this thread- about RoH or SF or Linken vs BKB or SB or how Navi just lost now, or your cringe-inducing Dotabuff.

Because that's how bad you are.

There's nothing wrong with being new or bad (repeating for the 10th time). But your attitude is just poisonous.

People like you give new players a bad name. You are awful.

Just shut your trap.

 

[Chiropteran]

2. I'll prove how terrible your RoH is in 1v1.

You know you have reached maximum rage when they want to 1v1 you.

Why would I 'need' to 1v1 you? You terrible and it will be a waste of time.

I'm not sure how you keep forgetting the posts you made, while simultaneously remembering my posts INCORRECTLY. Either that, or you are lying on purpose to make yourself feel better.

 

[Chiropteran]

You were literally crowing about Kalpi's SB "SMASHING" (your word) Na'vi when it wasn't even the case. Will SB matter? We might see this in game 2. It didn't happen in game 1, the game never got that far. All I said was you could sub out sb for some other ganker and it really wouldn't have made a difference. The weaver and TA dominated that badly. That in no way implies 4v5, I have no idea where you got that from.

2 kills for kaipi, bringing it up to 3-2 in their favor, directly caused by SB.

And yes, a 27 to 4 14 minute game is a team getting smashed.

 

[BergeLSU]

Well, this thread has effectively been ruined.

 

[Zeze]

Well, this thread has effectively been ruined.

I wish mods could thread-ban trolls.

 

[CWRMadcat]

And yes, a 27 to 4 14 minute game is a team getting smashed.

But not by SB. You enjoy glossing over the key point.

 

[Zeze]

Chiro is the kind of guy if he were a drug addict and his friends put an intervention for him, he would rage at all of them and how everyone is wrong but him.

 

[Chiropteran]

But not by SB. You enjoy glossing over the key point.

I'm just not following. Zeze claims SB is trash tier only good in my terrible elo. I point out TWO different games where a pro team comp including spirit breaker wins, decisively. But apparently just using a hero on a winning pro team isn't enough to prove it's a good high elo pick? I just can't win.

And, I'd say X got smashed by crystal maiden if the game went 24-4, even if it wasn't CM getting all the kills. In this case I said SB because it is the hero we were talking about.

 

[Peter Nixeus]

If the other team chooses Spirit Breaker, I will almost always choose Crystal Maiden or Lina = hot girl to bait him to charge me with 2 or more of my team mates near by... after that he just becomes a feeder... the thing with Spirit Breaker is that if he continues to charge after 1 or 2 baited attempts his whole team may fall with him because it will be constantly 4 vs 5 afterwards.

 

[Zeze]

Zeze claims SB is trash tier only good in my terrible elo. .

This guy is sick in the head. I'm not joking. Sick in the head. Twisting others' thoughts into his own twisted versions.

SB was a trash tier up until his recent buffs over and over. He still can't carry and won't. He's at best, a great mid-game ganker + carry disabler (anti-BKB).

AND mentioned again in post #924

SB was a trash tier up until his recent buffs over and over. He still can't carry and won't. He's at best, a great mid-game ganker + carry disabler (anti-BKB).

Sick in the head.

But not by SB. You enjoy glossing over the key point.

I'm telling you he's sick in the head.

 

[CWRMadcat]

I'm just not following. Zeze claims SB is trash tier only good in my terrible elo. I point out TWO different games where a pro team comp including spirit breaker wins, decisively. But apparently just using a hero on a winning pro team isn't enough to prove it's a good high elo pick? I just can't win.

And, I'd say X got smashed by crystal maiden if the game went 24-4, even if it wasn't CM getting all the kills. In this case I said SB because it is the hero we were talking about.

If you say SB "smashed" someone, I'm gonna look to see some serious domination by SB. 1-0 is not domination. 8-1 (Weaver) and 16-0 (TA) dominated, and that was why the game turned out the way it did. Saying SB "smashed" Na'vi is hilariously wrong.