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Turbonium

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FYI: I'm looking for a good team to play on.

Been playing DotA (i.e. Dota 1) since 2005... I can hold my own in Dota 2 as a result. I'm sick of playing with newbs though. Half the games I've lost, without question, are because of clueless teammates.

So if anyone out there plays semi-regularly at least, and is good, PM me.
 

Ns1

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^^

the ones from your first post are fine, these are lagging like hell.
 

Zeze

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FYI: I'm looking for a good team to play on.

Been playing DotA (i.e. Dota 1) since 2005... I can hold my own in Dota 2 as a result. I'm sick of playing with newbs though. Half the games I've lost, without question, are because of clueless teammates.

So if anyone out there plays semi-regularly at least, and is good, PM me.

What was your Dotabuff DBR rating when it was relevant?

Dota is notorious for 'I'm good, everyone sucks' effect. I was Platinum (2100) at 99 percentile. But the skill spread within the top 1% is night and day. I'm probably on the lower end of 1%.

My matchmaking both gives me crap games and awesome games where everyone is actively warding/dewarding, smoke ganking, sharing items, knowing when to split push, etc.

Here are some ways:

1. Reddit has a dedicated subreddit for forming teams.

2. Go play Captain's Mode. If you like the people you played with, join up with them.

3. Try Teamliquid & Gosugamers forums. Dota is huge there as well.

Anandtech has a 'team', but from what I've seen it's quite pubby. Good luck.
 
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Zeze

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FML. I just got matched with SexyBamboe of EG AND KoReYa of ROOT gaming. Not 1 but 2 pros on enemy team.

Beating 1 pro in random queue is no problem in the past. You can play tryhard and shut them down (actually competent team players really unite when they see a pro). But TWO?

Of course I only realized this AFTER I picked my pub trash hero Huskar.

Fvck me.
 

Zeze

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Remember 6.78 got released in Dota 1 couple days ago? Now Dota 2 has the parity release in their test client (for debugging). It looks like full 6.78 will be out for Dota 2 by this Thursday at the latest.

New Bara is going to be sick for pub stomping!

Here are some new screenshots of 6.78:


Medusa's Stone Gaze now fully petrifies enemies (before it was just slow).


Omniknight's Scepter also giving god-mode to buildings:


Mirana's new arrow visual: less saturation and 10% smaller to match Dota 1. Lots of people complained Dota 2's arrow was too noticeable therefore played as a nerf.


All credit goes to this OP.

On top of 6.78 parity, there are more Dota 2 specific changes:

BUGS
Earthshaker: Fixed a number of slightly incorrect properties with Echo Slam.
Troll Warlord: Fixed a number of slightly incorrect properties with Whirling Axes.
AUDIO
Ownage sounds now play on the default Mega-kills, Bastion Mega-kills, and Pyrion Flax mega-kills announcers for whenever your team scores 5 or more kills without any heroes on your team dying.
VISUAL
Mirana: Reduced arrow size by 10%
Mirana: Reduced arrow saturation
Mirana: Enemies continue to not see or hear the same effects on the arrow as allies do


Hopefully this helps to bring Mirana back in the pro scene instead of the tried-and-true Windrunner.
Her mirror counterpart Windrunner has been better than her in almost every way. Since I'm bored I'll make the comparison and contribute to AT rather than copying stuff from reddit:

Windrunner

+ Solid stat gain, especially str. Not as squishy as other int heroes.
+ Better hitting animation, base damage, and missile speed than Mirana
+ Windrun is a more spammable skill than Mirana's Leap
+ Powershot nuke is much better than Starstorm as it can be shot from afar without danger
+ A 2-man Shackle Shot (3.75s stun on both, wtf) is gamebreaking and match-winning. Mirana's Sacred Arrow is awkward to use and requires a big set-up.
+ Proves to be an amazing utility support/ganker that will annoy the hell out of enemies and pull clutch plays with minimal farm from 0:00 to late game.

- Focus Fire ultimate is an underwhelming skill for both pushing and DPSing. It's a nice filler skill when all other skills are in cooling down.

Mirana
+ Can roam/gank much earlier from level 1 and 2 just with Arrow and Leap.
+ Her Moonlight Shadow ultimate has been buffed again and again with lower mana, CD, & duration. It makes your whole team go invisible. Now it's viable to skill it early as level 6 instead of waiting for 10 & 11. This can be devastating for surprise gang rape. She also forces enemy team to carry dust/sentry at all times later on.
+ Starstorm is buffed last year and can deal a sick damage up to 525 when conditions are right.
+ Sacred Arrow deals damage too, can chain for big damage. It got buffed again just now at 6.78 with extra 100 damage. In perfect condition, level 9 Mirana can dish out 985 damage just with these 2 nukes.
+ Mirana being an Agility hero, she can semi-carry with DPS items and strong nukes. WR cannot.
+ Leap can jump over terrain, but much longer CD than Windrun.

- Atrociously low base damage (43.5 avg vs WR has 50). Easy to be out-last-hit.
- Slower turn-rate, bad for escaping when every millisecond counts. It gets worse when you're constantly turning back and forth trying to harass.
- Slightly mana-thirsty and restricted compared to WR.

Verdict:
In the last 3 years, Windrunner was always an A-list solo offlaner/suicide laner in the pro scene. She has lots of mana and her team-playing skill set is amazing. Mirana was always overlooked except in rare cases (she's still a fine solo mid hero or solo offlaner in pubs). With these continuous buffs, I would love to see her utilized as solo mid semi-carry ganker or adept offlaner abusing team-invisibility.
 
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Dijeangenie

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FML. I just got matched with SexyBamboe of EG AND KoReYa of ROOT gaming. Not 1 but 2 pros on enemy team.

Beating 1 pro in random queue is no problem in the past. You can play tryhard and shut them down (actually competent team players really unite when they see a pro). But TWO?

Of course I only realized this AFTER I picked my pub trash hero Huskar.

Fvck me.

That's pretty cool. I presume bamboe got into a winning position and then threw you the game, right?
 
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Zeze

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That's pretty cool. I presume bamboe got into a winning position and then threw you the game, right?

No he was trolling from get-go. He went dagon 5 with Furion without boots and just sniping all game.

A pro without a team isn't too hard, but it seems he also had another friend on top of KoReYa. So they were just fvcking around.

They won.

Here's match ID : 210962362 if interested.
 

Chiropteran

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Huskar's berzerker's blood now gives magic resists based on missing life. It looks like it will be a lot of fun in pubs until they figure it out.
 

Zeze

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Huskar's berzerker's blood now gives magic resists based on missing life. It looks like it will be a lot of fun in pubs until they figure it out.

It'll be interesting indeed. He's still very squishy (one of the lowest base STR among STR heroes) and dies to stuns & auto attacks. Losing damage stack is a big nerf vs gaining more attack speed.
 

Clinkster

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I'm confused, was the parity patch released today for Dota 2?
 
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Zeze

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I'm confused, was the parity patch released today for Dota 2?

Dota 2 has two clients. A release version (where everyone plays on) & a test client.

Valve rolls out changes/updates on the test client first as a buffer. Parity is released on test client which you can check it out now on the same free download.
 

BergeLSU

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Remember 6.78 got released in Dota 1 couple days ago? Now Dota 2 has the parity release in their test client (for debugging). It looks like full 6.78 will be out for Dota 2 by this Thursday at the latest.

New Bara is going to be sick for pub stomping!

Just a small pet peeve of mine. I know a lot of people at my skill level have been playing DOTA for years and still use the old names. But I am trying to teach friends the game and when people type in chat "Bara," "Ezalor," "potm," etc. it's frustrating when he asks what the hell they are talking about.

On a side note, I've played a bunch of games with my noob friends, and I can't believe how many smurf accounts we run into.
 

Dijeangenie

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On a side note, I've played a bunch of games with my noob friends, and I can't believe how many smurf accounts we run into.

I suppose it's not that surprising, there are a million invites now and it takes like 5 minutes to make a new account (not fine). Plus the fact that people make smurfs to teach their friends (like you do) so that they don't play high level matchmaking. (This is obviously fine of course!)

That Valve matchmaking is very good at this aspect actually which is quite important. Anyone who is any good at the game seems to get very quickly lifted to a much higher matchmaking level (for example the streamer Draskyl who made a smurf account yesterday because he ended up in low prio, is already playing somewhat decent players (at least not first timers)) I don't know how it manages to do it, maybe it is really clever and can see who buys a ghost scepter, BKB, how many denies you have but people I know who have smurfed (I haven't) say it doesn't take more than 4 or 5 matches to be at a similar level to before.
 

Zeze

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6.78 just rolled out on Dota 2 main client.

This is awesome and unusual. They usually update stuff on Thursdays. 2 days early!
 

Exploder87

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Excellent, my client just updated! Gonna have a lot of fun with the improved Earthshaker and Ancient Apparition.

Maybe if we're lucky, the new heroes and/or Abaddon might come on Thursday or Friday
 

Turbonium

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What was your Dotabuff DBR rating when it was relevant?

Dota is notorious for 'I'm good, everyone sucks' effect. I was Platinum (2100) at 99 percentile. But the skill spread within the top 1% is night and day. I'm probably on the lower end of 1%.

My matchmaking both gives me crap games and awesome games where everyone is actively warding/dewarding, smoke ganking, sharing items, knowing when to split push, etc.

Here are some ways:

1. Reddit has a dedicated subreddit for forming teams.

2. Go play Captain's Mode. If you like the people you played with, join up with them.

3. Try Teamliquid & Gosugamers forums. Dota is huge there as well.

Anandtech has a 'team', but from what I've seen it's quite pubby. Good luck.
I'm no pro, but I'm definitely not the type of player who singlehandedly loses the game for his team. At my worst, I play decently. On average, I'm 2:1 KDR with a load of assists (I never bother last hitting for KSes, or I'd have more kills... I just attack and whoever gets the last hit gets the last hit... no sense in sacrificing DPS or wasting a good spell for a lasthit). I'm an excellent teamplayer and can even carry at times. I get 20 denies or so in the first few minutes of the game as well. On rare occasions, I pull a risky but pro move/push that wins the match.

Basically, I need a team.

What is Captain's Mode exactly?

Excellent, my client just updated! Gonna have a lot of fun with the improved Earthshaker and Ancient Apparition.

Maybe if we're lucky, the new heroes and/or Abaddon might come on Thursday or Friday
Lord of Avernus and Legion Commander are two of my favourite and best heroes. They're taking ages to release them, wtf.
 
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Zeze

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What is Captain's Mode exactly?

In your game, you can select different modes. By default you have All Pick and Single Draft selected. Deselect other modes and only select Captain's Mode (CM) and click Find Match.

All Pick as you know is you pick whoever you want. First come, first serve.

Captain Mode is a professional and competitive way to pick heroes rather than everyone scrambling to spam-pick their top tier heroes.

The captains of each team (randomly selected, Blue and Pink) draft the team for you. They get to strategically ban heroes (take them out of the pool) and pick heroes. In the end, you ban 5 for the enemy team, and pick 5 for yours. If you have a crappy captain who drafts a crappy line-up, then the fight can be lost already (all skills being equal).

Here is the CM drafting in action.
This is such a great video of how teams prepare their strategy and commentators do an amazing job explaining what's going on.


Because of this serious nature, the game is FAR MORE cohesive & people are more 'united' than standard All-Pick pub games.

Captains usually draft something like:

1 hard carry, 2 supports, 1 mid ganker/semi carry, 1 offlaner
2 semi carries, 2 supports, 1 mid (or dual mid with support)
2 supports + 1 carry trilane, 1 mid ganker, 1 offlaner

It looks like you're still new and will have a blast by learning more.

Here is a good list of today's strongest heroes or trend picks (meta game). This is already outdated as pros are constantly trying new things and balance patches 'reset' trends. But it's a great way to read up on true weaknesses and strengths of all heroes rather than pub stomps where anything works. Also watch the pro games in the first link- best way to learn.

In CM, even strangers really come together. And they expect you to perform your role (ward/deward & stack/pull as support, farm efficiently as carry, gank well as mid, etc).

You said you want an actual team (not just 1-2 playing buddies) and take it to next level. Start from here.

Feel free to ask me any questions.
 
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Turbonium

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K that sounds great. Just need to find the time to put into it... But yea, I'm sick of pubs.
 
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Destiny

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I love the new Crystal Maiden buff... don't need clarity potions to spam her nukes and freeze - dont really any mana regen stuff till she starts leveling her ultimate... :sneaky:
 

Mr. Pedantic

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Just an additional question, when did Alliance get so good? I followed them back when they used to be NTH, and they played well, but they didn't play great. Then EternalEnvy left, they picked up EGM, call themselves Alliance, and suddenly in a few months they become one of the top teams in the world.

I love the new Crystal Maiden buff... don't need clarity potions to spam her nukes and freeze - dont really any mana regen stuff till she starts leveling her ultimate... :sneaky:

I don't think it's enough. It makes it a bit better, but it's not really enough to actually spam her nukes.

As a reference for what I mean by "spam", when I spam Lich's nuke I have serious mana issues even when Sacrifice is always on cooldown. And when I spam Illuminate, Chakra is nowhere near enough mana.
 
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DrunkenSano

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Been playing a lot of Dota 2 lately, still trying to learn a lot of the heroes so I'm sticking to Single Draft and All Random.
 
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