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[Chiropteran]

I am spectating a friend's game and apparently the latest patch screwed something up. There is, at most, a 5 second delay. I can still watch from the enemy teams perspective, basically this could be used as an incredible map-hack cheat.

 

[Zeze]

Man I played an incredibly frustrating game where I was QoP (the best mid hero in the game) vs Invoker.

QoP as you know is absolutely sick mid. She deals incredible amount of damage. This Invoker took RIDICULOUS amount of punishment, but gave 0 fucks because enemy Treant did NOTHING BUT HEAL INVOKER ALL GAME.

Holy cow.

Next game I picked Treant, and absolutely beat the fvck out of the enemy Sniper and the whole game.

 

[Zeze]

I am spectating a friend's game and apparently the latest patch screwed something up. There is, at most, a 5 second delay. I can still watch from the enemy teams perspective, basically this could be used as an incredible map-hack cheat.

Is this you?

I hardly worry about bugs in Dota 2. The game is under such intense microscope of development focus, any game breaking bugs are hotfixed in mere hours.

The best bug was when Chen could possess Roshan from level 1 and control him. THAT was hilarious and actually lasted about a half a day.

 

[{bad}]

saw on wyk fb page that guild system is coming to dota 2, don't remember that it will come this week or next, any other updates news???

 

[guy666]

saw on wyk fb page that guild system is coming to dota 2, don't remember that it will come this week or next, any other updates news???

http://www.cyborgmatt.com/
They put the system in this week, but they haven't enabled it yet.

 

[{bad}]

Last time they said they won't release any new heroes 3 weeks b4 International 2. if they plan to do same this year, I think we will get at least 1 new hero or maybe 2 if we lucky b4 international 3.

 

[SockHaser]

You can now get Dota 2 without a key apparently. I thought the release would be a bit less...anticlimactic

 

[Dijeangenie]

Man I played an incredibly frustrating game where I was QoP (the best mid hero in the game) vs Invoker.

This is arguable

 

[{bad}]

for me mid against kunkka is really irritating
or a really good sniper/viper.

 

[Zeze]

This is arguable

Yes, arguably best, with all skills being equal.

Puck is a bitch since he can dodge QoP's dagger. While TA isn't the best mid hero, she can be a pain as she can dodge it with Meld and Refraction is a pain.

Aside from those two, she can best all others- Bat, Invoker, SF, all melee, etc...

 

[Dijeangenie]

Yes, arguably best, with all skills being equal.

Puck is a bitch since he can dodge QoP's dagger. While TA isn't the best mid hero, she can be a pain as she can dodge it with Meld and Refraction is a pain.

Aside from those two, she can best all others- Bat, Invoker, SF, all melee, etc...

Puck should beat those as well (not TA ofc).

 

[Chiropteran]

That was indeed my reddit post.

Looks like it has been fixed already. I think it would be cool if you could watch from a friends POV without delay, it wouldn't really give much advantage over just watching a stream, but the problem was you could watch from the global point of view with no fog of war.

 

[Zeze]

That was indeed my reddit post.

Looks like it has been fixed already. I think it would be cool if you could watch from a friends POV without delay, it wouldn't really give much advantage over just watching a stream, but the problem was you could watch from the global point of view with no fog of war.

Toldja not to worry.

 

[Zeze]

for me mid against kunkka is really irritating
or a really good sniper/viper.

Sniper is food. He can be annoying but once enemy gets level 3-4, they can just outright walk over Sniper.

Same goes for Viper. I thought he was good at low level games. He just cannot burst fast enough vs someone like Storm or QoP. Walk all over.

 

[Juddog]

Question for all of you higher skilled players: Do you generally pick only the heroes that are good, in order to keep your win rate up, or do you try and random every game to get your general knowledge of each hero?

Personally I've been randoming non-stop since I started to learn how each hero works, but it seems from the various discussions that some people regard certain heroes as garbage and don't ever bother picking them for serious games. For example the first few times I randomed sand king I won each game easily; he seemed rather overpowered compared with playing some of the other heroes.

This made me wonder if people just pick the heroes that are good and don't waste their time with other heroes at all, to avoid the risk of losing. In tournament play for example it seems the same set of heroes are picked repeatedly.

 

[Juddog]

The other reason I mention the hero pick above is that I saw someone post on one of the DOTA2 forums about an account that had 1200 games+ with all one hero (wisp). It boggled my mind that someone would replay the same hero 1200 times, although his win rate was something like 83% (probably mostly team play).

 

[Zeze]

Question for all of you higher skilled players: Do you generally pick only the heroes that are good, in order to keep your win rate up, or do you try and random every game to get your general knowledge of each hero?

Personally I've been randoming non-stop since I started to learn how each hero works, but it seems from the various discussions that some people regard certain heroes as garbage and don't ever bother picking them for serious games. For example the first few times I randomed sand king I won each game easily; he seemed rather overpowered compared with playing some of the other heroes.

This made me wonder if people just pick the heroes that are good and don't waste their time with other heroes at all, to avoid the risk of losing. In tournament play for example it seems the same set of heroes are picked repeatedly.

For me, having fun is the foremost priority.

-In AP games, I random 75% of the time. In Dota, learning other heroes allows you to kill that same hero better. You become familiar with their CDs, capabilities, nuances, and this can only be truly felt by playing him/her firsthand.

-In AP, if I'm somehow late to first pick, I will situationally last-pick a counter, support, or roamer which perfectly fits what my team needs/

-About 5 years ago first learning Dota, the fastest and best way to learn the game is to random all the time. That helps tremendously. Most heroes are easy to get a moderate grasp of it (Venge, Veno, etc). If I random a complex hero, I'd pick him for next 10-15 games just to 'master' it to the level I like. One time I was really hooked on Invoker. Played him for 15-20 games non-stop.

-New players should play easy, low-ceiling heroes first. Then venture out to randoming to learn the entire roster. I randomed to learn. Now I random for fun. Random is the best (and that sweet extra gold).

-In Captain's Mode (CM), you pick hardcore top-of-the-line heroes and line-up. Well, that's the whole point of CM, people would get mad if you didn't.

-The biggest misconception of Dota 2 is that winrate = skill. It is NOT. The MM gives you games you're supposed to win and supposed to lose. You can theoretically lose easy games, and win hard games and end up with higher rating.

When Dotabuff was relevant, my primary account had 2000 games, 98th percentile with 50% winrate. My secondary account had 700 games, 99th percentile with 49% winrate.

Yes, Valve said Dotabuff's algorithm was bad, but that doesn't mean it's a dysfunctional broken crap. Similar to Starcraft 2 MM, EVERYONE has near 50% winrate except the super elite (0.001%). And they would stabilize to 'only' 55%-65% winrate.

 

[Zeze]

The other reason I mention the hero pick above is that I saw someone post on one of the DOTA2 forums about an account that had 1200 games+ with all one hero (wisp). It boggled my mind that someone would replay the same hero 1200 times, although his win rate was something like 83% (probably mostly team play).

Yup. There was someone who picked Lycan pre-nerf ALL THE TIME with 1-2 more friends vs 5 strangers.

At the end of the day, is that fun? Or does that even mean you're a good/better skilled player? No.

 

[smackababy]

I generally pick what is best for the team, or a mid game ganker / semi-carry. Sand King and Tiny are some of the heroes I really like to play. I try to avoid hard carries because it is not nearly as fun.

 

[DrunkenSano]

I've filtered games for either all random or single draft.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

The other reason I mention the hero pick above is that I saw someone post on one of the DOTA2 forums about an account that had 1200 games+ with all one hero (wisp). It boggled my mind that someone would replay the same hero 1200 times, although his win rate was something like 83% (probably mostly team play).

AdmiralBulldog did that with Lone Druid...

 

[smackababy]

Yeah, I don't get the guys that pick the same hero every game. There is a guy who streams hon and he is 1900 rating (like top 1%) with 100% of a single hero. The sad thing is, he is not a bad player, but there are times his hero offers nothing to the team and they lose because of him.

 

[Zeze]

AdmiralBulldog did that with Lone Druid...

That's what he does for a living.

 

[Peter Nixeus]

I normally pick the best hero for the team or to counter the other teams most dangerous hero...

But in pub games I pick mostly support because everyone else hate spending money on wards... and if we lose they never blame the support hero as long as you ward and buy support items...

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

That's what he does for a living.

I think he racked up a lot of those games before he started playing competitively. Less than 1000, but definitely 5-600 at least.