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Zeze

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Speaking of bad behavior, I know you can mute people, but how do you report racist spam during when you're watching a match, or in the chat channel you're in? I can handle bot spam etc. but when people start with this racist crap it gets tiring real quick.

When you're watching a match in-game, you can outright turn off the chat entirely on top right.

On chat channel, you can still report them by clicking his name (or was it right-click). A menu pops up and report. This also works on names in in-game while spectating.
 

Juddog

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When you're watching a match in-game, you can outright turn off the chat entirely on top right.

On chat channel, you can still report them by clicking his name (or was it right-click). A menu pops up and report. This also works on names in in-game while spectating.

I tried clicking their name and didn't see a report option in the drop down. I normally like the chat during a live game; I just don't like the blatant racist stuff.
 

Juddog

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Speaking of bannable stuff - I was playing a game today and a Russian kid joined up whose avatar was a picture of the head of a penis - I kid you not. D:
 

{bad}

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love it when 2-3 party members get owned whole game and then tart blaming teammates for their mistakes, u didn't ward in wrong lane, mid didn't gank at vlv 3 etc etc
 

BergeLSU

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It seems every compendium game I play is full of people with bad manners; the games seem to mix in the skill levels much differently than the other matches I've played (I have 10 wins now, and will get in a team playing against people with 500+ wins). On top of that, almost every compendium game either has a know-it-all annoying bastard who screams into the mic (quickly they go to mute list) or someone who insists on reporting everybody in the team when things go wrong. Last I checked you can't report a player for being bad or fairly new to the game.

Then there was a game where my team stomped (54-25 or something along those lines), and as we win the opposing team's Lina starts talking endless smack on how our team was garbage, etc.. "If your team was so good and our team was so bad, why did we stomp the sh!t out of you?" was my response.

I had a strangely toxic day yesterday, too. Every game had over the top ragers in it, either on my team or the other.

The worst was a game where I was Lion, and I somehow got solo hard lane against a tri-lane, so naturally I was underleveled and zero farm. I died a lot, but against a farmed Huskar and Slark, that is sort of to be expected. I bought countless Obs and Sentries, but our Leshrac raged at me the entire time, because early on, I wouldnt Ult a Huskar who was at 25% hp. He wouldn't accept that it would have ended up doing about 100 damage to him, and we had no one around that did physical damage. I Hexed him and ran away, and Leshrac died trying to stay around too long.

We ended up winning that match, and he was still raging about me.

Similar things happened all night, like the Broodmother who raged at her team as they lost, even though I randomed KotL (-AR). She was fed by the lane early (Veno requested that lane with Skeleton King).
 

Juddog

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I had a strangely toxic day yesterday, too. Every game had over the top ragers in it, either on my team or the other.

The worst was a game where I was Lion, and I somehow got solo hard lane against a tri-lane, so naturally I was underleveled and zero farm. I died a lot, but against a farmed Huskar and Slark, that is sort of to be expected. I bought countless Obs and Sentries, but our Leshrac raged at me the entire time, because early on, I wouldnt Ult a Huskar who was at 25% hp. He wouldn't accept that it would have ended up doing about 100 damage to him, and we had no one around that did physical damage. I Hexed him and ran away, and Leshrac died trying to stay around too long.

We ended up winning that match, and he was still raging about me.

Similar things happened all night, like the Broodmother who raged at her team as they lost, even though I randomed KotL (-AR). She was fed by the lane early (Veno requested that lane with Skeleton King).

Were any of these Compendium matches or just normal matches?
 

Juddog

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2 Compendium, 3 -AR.

Have you gotten any Smeevil treats to drop, besides the first match? I've been playing these compendium matches for two weeks now with no luck.

I've received a ton of player cards though, and the battle bonus from having 10 x players with the active bonus has been a huge reason to continue playing. I have a bunch of duplicate cards as well now.
 

BergeLSU

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Have you gotten any Smeevil treats to drop, besides the first match? I've been playing these compendium matches for two weeks now with no luck.

I've received a ton of player cards though, and the battle bonus from having 10 x players with the active bonus has been a huge reason to continue playing. I have a bunch of duplicate cards as well now.


I have only played a couple of the Compendium ones. I got put off pretty quickly when the second match, Lina demanded mid, bought a bottle and headed there. So the lanes ended up Enigma/Lifestealer top and Slark (me) with Lone Druid bottom. At least the match ended quickly.
 

hotel77

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I have only played a couple of the Compendium ones. I got put off pretty quickly when the second match, Lina demanded mid, bought a bottle and headed there. So the lanes ended up Enigma/Lifestealer top and Slark (me) with Lone Druid bottom. At least the match ended quickly.

Were you radiant or dire? top / bottom mean very different things. Lina mid is "okay" in that lineup (bottle + Lina is retarded), but it makes absolute zero sense to me why you had 3 junglers and no one jungled.

I would have chosen Lina / lifestealer safelane, enigma jungle, slark mid, bear long lane. Gives you the best chance at success IMO. Slark can gank early, lifestealer slow + lina stun will allow good lane pressure and enigma levels extremely fast in the jungle and comes out with a blink dagger fairly early. Could easily swap lifestealer and enigma and probably be just as successful.
 

Juddog

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Were you radiant or dire? top / bottom mean very different things. Lina mid is "okay" in that lineup (bottle + Lina is retarded), but it makes absolute zero sense to me why you had 3 junglers and no one jungled.

I would have chosen Lina / lifestealer safelane, enigma jungle, slark mid, bear long lane. Gives you the best chance at success IMO. Slark can gank early, lifestealer slow + lina stun will allow good lane pressure and enigma levels extremely fast in the jungle and comes out with a blink dagger fairly early. Could easily swap lifestealer and enigma and probably be just as successful.

This was the play I had last night - finally a game where the teammates read the opening screen and decided to go the format of the match. I got paired up with Naix (as Lina) and did great; I would stun with the AOE, Naix would run in and clean house.
 

BergeLSU

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Were you radiant or dire? top / bottom mean very different things. Lina mid is "okay" in that lineup (bottle + Lina is retarded), but it makes absolute zero sense to me why you had 3 junglers and no one jungled.

I would have chosen Lina / lifestealer safelane, enigma jungle, slark mid, bear long lane. Gives you the best chance at success IMO. Slark can gank early, lifestealer slow + lina stun will allow good lane pressure and enigma levels extremely fast in the jungle and comes out with a blink dagger fairly early. Could easily swap lifestealer and enigma and probably be just as successful.

That is how the professional match-up was done (as Radiant), and is recommended at the start of the match.

With Lina mid, and Enigma jungling, you would be forced to have LD top, and Slark/Lifestealer bottom. Lifestealer jungle and Enigma/Slark bottom would have been acceptable, but we were all thrown off by Lina's immediate attitude. We had no wards, Enigma DCed immediately (so I bought the courier as Slark). LS did move to jungle after about 4 minutes.

Naturally Lina lost mid to Nyx, I was able to stack and pull effectively, but it wasn't enough.

Lina was such a jerk about it that I reported him (I think the rest of the team, too). I queued for another compendium match and he was on my team again, and I am certain he was muted already.
 

smackababy

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Can Enigma deny his own creeps? If so, he is good solo long lane as well. If not, well, he sucks long lane. >_>

And bottle first item is (imo) universally a bad choice. Especially, if you're going in a solo lane. You should be able to get your bottle before 2 minutes unless you fail are last hitting or are being dominated by a higher skilled player. The loss of stats is huge early on.

Lina also has such an awful auto attack, I would never let him go mid. LD top isn't bad, as he can take off, but having him suicide is the best option because he can get lane control with his bear and can recover farm he might lose out being suicide easily.
 

Dijeangenie

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Lina also has such an awful auto attack, I would never let him go mid. LD top isn't bad, as he can take off, but having him suicide is the best option because he can get lane control with his bear and can recover farm he might lose out being suicide easily.


Lina can be a good mid (IMO) not in this line up though - She has similar potential as many other mids who are good in pubs but are not so good in pro games (no escape/rune control), heroes like zeus, lion etc. Her last hit animation can be gotten used to, to some extent, plus bottle etc can make dragon slave somewhat spammable for last hit/harass.
 

BergeLSU

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In a later game I got into a discussion with a Venomancer about his build.

This was against a Broodmother and I told him I hated that he maxed Wards first instead of Gale. He ended up feeding his wards to Brood, which led to her getting Boots of Travel, BKB, and Orchid all pretty quickly (luckily I randomed KotL and we ended up winning despite her split push).

My preferred build as support Veno is to max Q and W (the passive DOT), skip his Ult until level 8 or 9, get one level of Wards to scout, and then get stats and max Ultimate. I sometimes throw in an Orb of Venom for maximum slow.

My reasoning is that his Q has been reworked that it scales a lot more linearly, and his W is very powerful early game. Teamfights early in the game seemingly don't last long enough for Nova to do its work.

I enjoy playing against a Veno with wards because it is free 20 gold for supports.
 

smackababy

Lifer
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I'd much rather see Lina in a support role, than a priority farmer. As a support, she can flourish because she has a good stun (if you are not awful and can land it) and decent burst damage for a single target. You basically set up free kills every R cool down after 6. And come late game, you have a good burst to help take out their carry (or biggest problem).

And even with farm, I can't see Lina being a better choice than almost any other mid hero. And against a Nxy, you shouldn't win mid. Nxy has a better (easier to land) stun, a mana burn, and a superior last hitting ability. You're either spamming the creep wave with your dragon fire losing lane control or you're getting no farm at all.

And bottle first item is universally awful from my experience. Sure, you get the regen, but you lose out on stats (which are way more important early game) and if you aren't awful, the bottle would be purchased around the 2 minute mark anyway.
 

smackababy

Lifer
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In a later game I got into a discussion with a Venomancer about his build.

This was against a Broodmother and I told him I hated that he maxed Wards first instead of Gale. He ended up feeding his wards to Brood, which led to her getting Boots of Travel, BKB, and Orchid all pretty quickly (luckily I randomed KotL and we ended up winning despite her split push).

My preferred build as support Veno is to max Q and W (the passive DOT), skip his Ult until level 8 or 9, get one level of Wards to scout, and then get stats and max Ultimate. I sometimes throw in an Orb of Venom for maximum slow.

My reasoning is that his Q has been reworked that it scales a lot more linearly, and his W is very powerful early game. Teamfights early in the game seemingly don't last long enough for Nova to do its work.

I enjoy playing against a Veno with wards because it is free 20 gold for supports.

I love Venomancer as a hero, but unless you get kills early on, you aren't very helpful later on. At least, that is how I feel. When Dota 2 first released, I picked him up quite a bit and went mid. The people did not understand his poison or something, because I just dominated. If you get pushed out of lane or aren't getting good farm / kills early, it is better to just max wards to help push towers with someone else. Now, that doesn't mean use them during laning to give free gold though. =)
 

BergeLSU

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And even with farm, I can't see Lina being a better choice than almost any other mid hero. And against a Nxy, you shouldn't win mid. Nxy has a better (easier to land) stun, a mana burn, and a superior last hitting ability. You're either spamming the creep wave with your dragon fire losing lane control or you're getting no farm at all.


One of Nyx's most underrated stat is his base HP regen is 2.5 HP/min. It's very hard to chase him out of a lane.
 

Dijeangenie

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I'd much rather see Lina in a support role, than a priority farmer. As a support, she can flourish because she has a good stun (if you are not awful and can land it) and decent burst damage for a single target. You basically set up free kills every R cool down after 6. And come late game, you have a good burst to help take out their carry (or biggest problem).

And even with farm, I can't see Lina being a better choice than almost any other mid hero. And against a Nxy, you shouldn't win mid. Nxy has a better (easier to land) stun, a mana burn, and a superior last hitting ability. You're either spamming the creep wave with your dragon fire losing lane control or you're getting no farm at all.

And bottle first item is universally awful from my experience. Sure, you get the regen, but you lose out on stats (which are way more important early game) and if you aren't awful, the bottle would be purchased around the 2 minute mark anyway.

I don't mind her on a support role either, I was just saying she can potentially mid.

Yep - nyx vs Lina is not good for lina. (That's why I said she shouldn't mid here (I was talking generally0)

Yes, bottle first is bad - I just meant getting an early bottle.
 

Chiropteran

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One of Nyx's most underrated stat is his base HP regen is 2.5 HP/min. It's very hard to chase him out of a lane.

2.5/sec, not per min.

But if you have a ring of health, and thus 5 hp/sec of regen, it's very easy to dominate and push you out of lane. At least according to the self-proclaimed Dota experts of this thread.

Just one of the many paradox of Dota 2.
 

smackababy

Lifer
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2.5/sec, not per min.

But if you have a ring of health, and thus 5 hp/sec of regen, it's very easy to dominate and push you out of lane. At least according to the self-proclaimed Dota experts of this thread.

Just one of the many paradox of Dota 2.

Except, that is base regen and you get stat increasing items, thus giving you more HP, Mana, damage, and you still get tangos / potions. Unless you go with the ring of health, and have no money and no extra stats. Then you lose to bottle first Lina or something similarly stupid. Boots first Tiny maybe?
 

Zeze

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2.5/sec, not per min.

But if you have a ring of health, and thus 5 hp/sec of regen, it's very easy to dominate and push you out of lane. At least according to the self-proclaimed Dota experts of this thread.

Just one of the many paradox of Dota 2.

Self-proclaimed experts? You think BKB is bad value, start game with 5-slots empty 1 Ring of Health, and rush Linken naked.

You are one of those guys that's so bad, you don't even realize it.

You would be utterly crushed by most players in this thread.

Now, because you're quite thick headed, I'll repeat this again- there's nothing wrong with being new. But while you're new, you still think you know better when others have written paragraphs for you otherwise.

Don't listen to this guy.
 

GoodRevrnd

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I had a strangely toxic day yesterday, too. Every game had over the top ragers in it, either on my team or the other.

The worst was a game where I was Lion, and I somehow got solo hard lane against a tri-lane, so naturally I was underleveled and zero farm. I died a lot, but against a farmed Huskar and Slark, that is sort of to be expected. I bought countless Obs and Sentries, but our Leshrac raged at me the entire time, because early on, I wouldnt Ult a Huskar who was at 25% hp. He wouldn't accept that it would have ended up doing about 100 damage to him, and we had no one around that did physical damage. I Hexed him and ran away, and Leshrac died trying to stay around too long.

We ended up winning that match, and he was still raging about me.

Similar things happened all night, like the Broodmother who raged at her team as they lost, even though I randomed KotL (-AR). She was fed by the lane early (Veno requested that lane with Skeleton King).

Reminds me of a game I got stuck tri-lane long (Radiant) as Warlock versus Drow and 2 stun support heroes. We had Bloodseeker mid, Ogre Magi and Spectre bottom, and I don't remember who in jungle (want to say Doom). Yes, that is an absolutely TERRIBLE team comp. Anyway, I knew there would definitely be a tri-lane and figured it might be bottom but almost certainly top. Ogre Magi gave absolutely no fucks and went bottom. He gave even fewer fucks once we actually knew the tri-lane was top. Those guys had that lane locked down completely. I warded the pull and the woods to keep an eye on them but they counter-warded both right from the start so I sat at the tower for three levels worth with 0 xp yelling at Ogre before I gave up and just went bottom. Then top ganked mid and he threw a shit fit because there were no river wards and they both started yelling at me for throwing the game (turns out they were friends). Fucking idiots.
 

Chiropteran

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Self-proclaimed experts? You think BKB is bad value, start game with 5-slots empty 1 Ring of Health, and rush Linken naked.

You are one of those guys that's so bad, you don't even realize it.

You would be utterly crushed by most players in this thread.

Now, because you're quite thick headed, I'll repeat this again- there's nothing wrong with being new. But while you're new, you still think you know better when others have written paragraphs for you otherwise.

Don't listen to this guy.

Why are you spreading lies? I never said half those things. The only thing you got right is that I start with a RoH occasionally, in all random.

You keep calling me bad, what pro team do you belong to exactly? Unlike you, I am not going to judge you without ever seeing you actually play, but up until now the only one who has said you are good is YOU. You keep reaffirming it so much it starts to look like you are trying to compensate for something.

I'd be willing to bet I could beat just about anyone in this thread close to 50% of the time, even you, if we met up in a pub game, but I'm certainly not going to play against a stacked team, as I don't even have a full team to play with.

I listen to explanations using logic. Zeze, no offense intended, but every time you try to argue with my your argument boils down to "it's bad because you are new" or "pro players don't use it so it's bad". You can't back up your argument with facts or a logical argument, you just continually resort to appeal from authority attacks, as if nobody can discuss dota unless they are a professional player.

Your one attempt at explaining why RoH is bad in game mechanics, you ignored the actual hp regen provided by the ring, which to me just indicates that you are repeating dogma you have read on other websites without actually doing any testing whatsoever.
 

Zeze

Lifer
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Your one attempt at explaining why RoH is bad in game mechanics, you ignored the actual hp regen provided by the ring, which to me just indicates that you are repeating dogma you have read on other websites without actually doing any testing whatsoever.

See that's the thing. You think we didn't 'test' naked RoH vs stacked real items? RoH has been the universal sign of being bad since 2006 FOR A REASON. You're just another bad player out of millions who thinks this is good.

It gets crushed time and time and time again. Yet you continue to argue thinking otherwise.

Dota is foremost a team game. But there is a way to gauge a player-specific skill set. It's the mid mirror mode. And just so happens this will crush your theory of RoH first item vs real items. I can gladly show it to you.

If you want to mid 1v1 with standard items, based on your thinking, I can beat you 90% of the time. You start with RoH? You will be beaten 100% of the time.

That's how bad you are and you don't even realize it and continue to spew nonsense ignorantly. Oh, and you think Path of Exile (Diablo clone) takes skill? (actually said same as Dota) It's a friggin PvE game. Wow, where do you even begin?

This has NOTHING to do with me being good or anything about me. I don't give a crap about such juvenile epeen. I'm just a pubstar trash who likes the game. You continue to ignore others' experienced opinions as observed in pro games and COMMONLY SEEN in casual high level pub games. But you just don't get it. You think it's about me vs you. No.

I'll tell you this for the fifth time- Dota actually isn't even a same game when compared from low level pubs to high level pubs. This is no exaggeration- the game absolutely plays out differently and all the things you ignorantly spew about Linken and RoH will get absolutely CRUSHED.

Trust me on this. Go click on Captain's Mode and play a few. It'll open your eyes.

And I can show you how terrible RoH is as first item in game. I won't even taunt you. I'll just show you in game and leave.

Go play CM OR come back or let me demonstrate it for you 1v1. Pick either one. Which is it?

I promise you, you will feel it first-hand with your skin and become terribly embarrassed.

Which is it? If neither, then all you're doing is spewing further nonsense from your line of thinking in your terrible terrible bottom tier experience.
 
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